Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
cost as one CoRoT.

The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.

TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.

Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
 http://trace.lmsal.com/
 http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html

Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
as little as $1000/kg.
 http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm

How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
observing instrument?
 http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf

Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
 http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation

It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
what good is it?

I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
B.

 ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> cost as one CoRoT.
>
> The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
>  http://trace.lmsal.com/
>  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> as little as $1000/kg.
>  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> observing instrument?
>  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
>  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> what good is it?
>
> I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> B.
>
>  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

Speaking of cheap, quick and downright nifty missions that could have
been and should have been.  It seems we already own the shuttle bay
SAR imaging equipment, that with minor upgrades and getting that
already spendy sucker deployed around Venus could yield 0.75 meter
resolution (100 fold better than the original Magellan mission, plus
two fold improved dynamic range), or perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if
doing our moon from 50 km.

Lord forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought and paid
for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing, because we sure
as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying for everything
and in debt to the tune of trillions, to ever get their hard earned
moneys worth.

 ~ BG

On Jun 26, 11:27 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > as little as $1000/kg.
> >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > observing instrument?
> >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > what good is it?
>
> > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > B.
>
> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> Speaking of cheap, quick and downright nifty missions that could have
> been and should have been.  It seems we already own the shuttle bay
> SAR imaging equipment, that with minor upgrades and getting that
> already spendy sucker deployed around Venus could yield 0.75 meter
> resolution (100 fold better than the original Magellan mission, plus
> two fold improved dynamic range), or perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if
> doing our moon from 50 km.
>
> Lord forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought and paid
> for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing, because we sure
> as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying for everything
> and in debt to the tune of trillions, to ever get their hard earned
> moneys worth.
>
>  ~ BG

Come on folks, I'm selling these two really dirt-cheap science/
astronomy missions for less than ten cents on the dollar.  I'll even
toss in a free toaster and a few frequent flier miles on those spiffy
composite 787s that'll be getting bailed out along with dozens of
other privately screwed up fiascoes.

 ~ BG

On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> cost as one CoRoT.
>
> The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
>  http://trace.lmsal.com/
>  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> as little as $1000/kg.
>  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> observing instrument?
>  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
>  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> what good is it?
>
> I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> B.
>
>  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?

 ~ BG

On Jun 26, 11:27 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > as little as $1000/kg.
> >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > observing instrument?
> >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > what good is it?
>
> > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > B.
>
> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> Speaking of cheap, quick and downright nifty missions that could have
> been and should have been.  It seems we already own the shuttle bay
> SAR imaging equipment, that with minor upgrades and getting that
> already spendy sucker deployed around Venus could yield 0.75 meter
> resolution (100 fold better than the original Magellan mission, plus
> two fold improved dynamic range), or perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if
> doing our moon from 50 km.
>
> Lord forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought and paid
> for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing, because we sure
> as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying for everything
> and in debt to the tune of trillions, to ever get their hard earned
> moneys worth.

You folks do realize that what I'm talking about a one-time expense or
withdraw of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.
In most states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on
an aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about
getting a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to
get in order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask
for?

Btw,  this topic is worth at least all 5 gold stars.

 ~ BG

On Jun 26, 4:08 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 26, 11:27 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > observing instrument?
> > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > what good is it?
>
> > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > B.
>
> > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > Speaking of cheap, quick and downright nifty missions that could have
> > been and should have been.  It seems we already own the shuttle bay
> > SAR imaging equipment, that with minor upgrades and getting that
> > already spendy sucker deployed around Venus could yield 0.75 meter
> > resolution (100 fold better than the original Magellan mission, plus
> > two fold improved dynamic range), or perhaps as good as 0.15 meter if
> > doing our moon from 50 km.
>
> > Lord forbid we should merely scrap everything that’s bought and paid
> > for with our hard earned loot, instead of reutilizing, because we sure
> > as hell wouldn’t want the general public that’s paying for everything
> > and in debt to the tune of trillions, to ever get their hard earned
> > moneys worth.
>
> >  ~ BG
>
> Come on folks, I'm selling these two really dirt-cheap science/
> astronomy missions for less than ten cents on the dollar.  I'll even
> toss in a free toaster and a few frequent flier miles on those spiffy
> composite 787s that'll be getting bailed out along with dozens of
> other privately screwed up fiascoes.

You folks do realize that what I'm talking about a one-time expense or
withdraw of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals in
order to cover the TRACEe3 package deal, or perhaps a full nickel for
all three.  In most states and many other nations you could get a 5
cent refund on an aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're
talking about getting a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor
do we have to get in order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too
much to ask for?

Btw,  this topic is worth at least all 5 gold stars.

 ~ BG

On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
> > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > as little as $1000/kg.
> >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > observing instrument?
> >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > what good is it?
>
> > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > B.
> >  ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG / “GuthUsenet”

> Where's all the love and affection of physics and science that's for
> the greater good of humanity?

You folks do realize that what I'm talking about is a one-time expense
or draw of merely 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion
individuals.  In most states and many other nations you could get a 5
cent refund on an aluminum soda or beer can, or in the state of
Michigan we're talking about getting a dime per beverage bottle or
can.  So, how poor do we have to get in order for a one-time charge of
2 cents being considered too much to ask for?
 ~ BG

On Jul 1, 10:24 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > observing instrument?
> > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > what good is it?
>
> > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > B.
> > >  ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG / “GuthUsenet”
> > Where's all the love and affection of physics and science that's for
> > the greater good of humanity?
>
> You folks do realize that what I'm talking about is a one-time expense
> or draw of merely 2 cents htom the global populous of 6.75 billion
> individuals.  In most states and many other nations you could get a 5
> cent refund on an aluminum soda or beer can, or in the state of
> Michigan we're talking about getting a dime per beverage bottle or
> can.  So, how poor do we have to get in order for a one-time charge of
> 2 cents being considered too much to ask for?

~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > as little as $1000/kg.
> >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > observing instrument?
> >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > what good is it?
>
> > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > B.
>
> You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?

We'll spend trillions bailing out a number of corporate crooks,
dishonest banks/mortgage/insurance cabals and even protecting offshore
invested individuals (especially favoring those of Big Energy), as
well as funding any number of incompetent state run programs, and yet
devoting another two cents for whatever directly benefits most
everyone is asking too much for any TRACE replacement.

 ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > as little as $1000/kg.
> >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > costing us?  Can CoRoT even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > observing instrument?
> >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > what good is it?
>
> > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > B.
>
> You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?

We'll spend trillions bailing out a number of big-time corporate
crooks, dishonest banks/mortgage/insurance cabals and even protecting
offshore invested individuals (especially favoring those of Big
Energy), as well as grant funding any number of incompetent state run
programs, and yet devoting another two cents for whatever directly
benefits most everyone is apparently asking too much for any TRACE
replacement that'll last for at least the next decade if not two
decades and beyond.

 ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 2, 8:36 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > costing us?  Can CoRoT even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > observing instrument?
> > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > what good is it?
>
> > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > B.
>
> > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> We'll spend trillions bailing out a number of big-time corporate crooks,
> dishonest banks/mortgage/insurance cabals and even for protecting
> offshore invested individuals (especially favoring those crooks of Big
> Energy), as well as grant funding any number of incompetent state run
> programs, and yet devoting another two cents for whatever directly
> benefits most everyone is apparently asking too much for any TRACE
> replacement that'll last for at least the next decade if not worth two
> decades and beyond.

This loose cannon topic must have hit another mainstream nerve.

 ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 5, 9:23 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jul 2, 8:36 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > > costing us?  Can CoRoT even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > > observing instrument?
> > > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > > what good is it?
>
> > > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > > B.
>
> > > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> > We'll spend trillions bailing out a number of big-time corporate crooks> > dishonest banks/mortgage/insurance cabals and even for protecting
> > offshore invested individuals (especially favoring those crooks of Big
> > Energy), as well as grant funding any number of incompetent state run
> > programs, and yet devoting another two cents for whatever directly
> > benefits most everyone is apparently asking too much for any TRACE
> > replacement that'll last for at least the next decade if not worth two
> > decades and beyond.
>
> This loose cannon topic must have hit another mainstream nerve.

Apparently TRACEe3 isn't very far off the mark, of what's quickly and
affordably doable within existing technology, as well as necessary for
replacing the existing TRACE orbital observatory that's about to die.
Perhaps a stereo pair of TRACEe1 (ten fold) and one TRACEe3 (1000
fold) is the way to go.

 ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > as little as $1000/kg.
> >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > observing instrument?
> >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > what good is it?
>
> > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > B.
>
> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?

We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
per decade.

 ~ BG

On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > observing instrument?
> > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > what good is it?
>
> > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > B.
>
> > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> per decade.
>
>  ~ BG

Apparently two cents is too spendy for each of the 100X TRACE units,
and of perhaps at most three cents for one 1000X TRACE, or perhaps all
three for as little as five cents.

 ~ BG

On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > observing instrument?
> > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > what good is it?
>
> > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > B.
>
> > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> per decade.
>
>  ~ BG

Notice that whenever the regular laws of physics and best available
science that's easily peer replicated supports an outside/independent
theory or deductive interpretation on behalf of anything, suddenly
those exact same laws of physics (including everything Newtonian) and
whatever the science becomes systematically disqualified and/or simply
can't apply because they(insiders of our DARPA and NASA cult/cabal)
say so.

It's like everything of Usenet/newsgroups and Google Groups turns
itself into another cesspool of unusually faith-based and/or
politically skewed kind of brown-nosed clown populated realm of
bizarro land, whereas up becomes down and black becomes white, or else
we merely slip into the 4th or 5th dimension (similar to falling off
the edge of Earth).  Lord forbid we should maintain or cultivate any
kind of an open mindset and thereby fairly exchange/share ideas and
information, or much less dare revise anything, whereas instead purely
subjective science news as based upon mainstream conditional physics
and scientific obfuscation gets front page and above the fold
coverage, along with nothing but the very best of supercomputer
simulations and artificial composite/stacked eyecandy hype, and of
course all of it at public funded expense none the less (as Walter
Cronkite would say; because that’s the way it is).

  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > observing instrument?
> > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > what good is it?
>
> > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > B.
>
> > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> per decade, seems rather dirt cheap.

It certainly would be nice having a compact TRACEe3 (1000 fold better
than our existing TRACE) for having that kind of detailed look-see at
other nearby stars, especially of such an extremely bright Sirius.

Obviously our local environment and of course that of our sun would
have been affected by the excess of whatever the Sirius molecular
cloud had to offer, not to mention that of it's terrific original mass
doing its Newtonian gravity thing.  After the helium flashover of
Sirius B and the subsequent Newtonian tidal radius loss of its grip
upon whatever planets, would of course be yet another opportunity for
our nearby solar system to grow.

And btw;  don't let the usual gauntlet of these Usenet/newsgroup
bogeyman, faith-based pretenders and mainstream pranksters keep us
from the task of deductively and otherwise independently thinking for
ourselves, because now and then it’s perfectly OK to color outside the
lines.

 ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 21, 3:03 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > > observing instrument?
> > > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > > what good is it?
>
> > > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > > B.
>
> > > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> > We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> > TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> > observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> > per decade, seems rather dirt cheap.
>
> It certainly would be nice having a compact TRACEe3 (1000 fold better
> than our existing TRACE) for having that kind of detailed look-see at
> other nearby stars, especially of such an extremely bright Sirius.
>
> Obviously our local environment and of course that of our sun would
> have been affected by the excess of whatever the Sirius molecular
> cloud had to offer, not to mention that of it's terrific original mass
> doing its Newtonian gravity thing.  After the helium flashover of
> Sirius B and the subsequent Newtonian tidal radius loss of its grip
> upon whatever planets, would of course be yet another opportunity for
> our nearby solar system to grow.
>
> And btw;  don't let the usual gauntlet of these Usenet/newsgroup
> bogeyman, faith-based pretenders and mainstream pranksters keep us
> from the task of deductively and otherwise independently thinking for
> ourselves, because now and then it’s perfectly OK to color outside the
> lines.
>
>  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

So, instead of progress we have this thing of ignoring whatever is
technically doable and banishing those with nothing but good
intentions, and otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder
and subsequent obsession of no longer thinking for ourselves.  No
wonder this nation has been going nowhere.

 ~ BG

On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > observing instrument?
> > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > what good is it?
>
> > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > B.
>
> > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> per decade.

What exactly would a truly intelligent ET think of us?

So once again, instead of seeing any real progress we have this other
better thing of systematically ignoring and/or obfuscating on behalf
of avoiding truths and whatever is technically doable, as well as
banishing and/or trashing those with nothing but good intentions, and
otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder and subsequent
obsession of no longer deductively thinking for ourselves (ideal
minions for warlords and cabals).  No wonder this nation and the world
in general has been going nowhere.

Now try to imagine an entire world discovered by ETs, as populated by
lemmings, such as Eden/Earth.

 ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”

On Jul 22, 6:41 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > > observing instrument?
> > > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > > what good is it?
>
> > > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > > B.
>
> > > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> > We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> > TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> > observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> > per decade.
>
> What exactly would a truly intelligent ET think of us?
>
> So once again, instead of seeing any real progress we have this other
> better thing of systematically ignoring and/or obfuscating on behalf
> of avoiding truths and whatever is technically doable, as well as
> banishing and/or trashing those with nothing but good intentions, and
> otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder and subsequent
> obsession of no longer deductively thinking for ourselves (ideal
> minions for warlords and cabals).  No wonder this nation and the world
> in general has been going nowhere.
>
> Now try to imagine an entire world discovered by ETs, as populated by
> lemmings, such as Eden/Earth.
>
>  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”


So, I find you in another thead where you are just talking to
yourself!

Double-A

On Jul 22, 12:59 pm, Double-A  wrote:
> On Jul 22, 6:41 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > > > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > > > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > > > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > > > observing instrument?
> > > > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > > > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > > > what good is it?
>
> > > > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > > > B.
>
> > > > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > > > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > > > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > > > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > > > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > > > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > > > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> > > We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> > > TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> > > observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> > > per decade.
>
> > What exactly would a truly intelligent ET think of us?
>
> > So once again, instead of seeing any real progress we have this other
> > better thing of systematically ignoring and/or obfuscating on behalf
> > of avoiding truths and whatever is technically doable, as well as
> > banishing and/or trashing those with nothing but good intentions, and
> > otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder and subsequent
> > obsession of no longer deductively thinking for ourselves (ideal
> > minions for warlords and cabals).  No wonder this nation and the world
> > in general has been going nowhere.
>
> > Now try to imagine an entire world discovered by ETs, as populated by
> > lemmings, such as Eden/Earth.
>
> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> So, I find you in another thead where you are just talking to
> yourself!
>
> Double-A

Unlike yourself, I've got honest stuff to say, to share and to learn.

Are you opposed to our having a TRACEe3 or even the e2 version?

You do realize that with the e3 TRACE we could see a little something
of the photosphere/surface of Sirius A with sufficient resolution.
You got a problem with that?

 ~ BG

Double-A wrote:

> So, I find you in another thead where you are just talking to
> yourself!

Please don't feed the trolls.  Guth exists
only to gain attention.

On Jul 23, 7:54 am, Martin Leese <ple...@see.Web.for.e-mail.INVALID>
wrote:
> Double-A wrote:
> > So, I find you in another thead where you are just talking to
> > yourself!
>
> Please don't feed the trolls.  Guth exists
> only to gain attention.

And the point of yourself being here is???????????? (other than
represent your Zionist blood-sucking God)

 ~ BG

On Jul 22, 6:41 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > > observing instrument?
> > > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > > what good is it?
>
> > > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > > B.
>
> > > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> > We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> > TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> > observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> > per decade.
>
> What exactly would a truly intelligent ET think of us?
>
> So once again, instead of seeing any real progress we have this other
> better thing of systematically ignoring and/or obfuscating on behalf
> of avoiding truths and whatever is technically doable, as well as
> banishing and/or trashing those with nothing but good intentions, and
> otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder and subsequent
> obsession of no longer deductively thinking for ourselves (ideal
> minions for warlords and cabals).  No wonder this nation and the world
> in general has been going nowhere.
>
> Now try to imagine an entire world discovered by ETs, as populated by
> lemmings, such as Eden/Earth.

So why the great silent treatment? (is TRACE a dirty word?)

 BradGuth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “GuthUsenet”

On Jul 27, 7:48 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
> On Jul 22, 6:41 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 8, 2:06 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 29, 3:47 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > > Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> > > > > CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> > > > > the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> > > > > cost as one CoRoT.
>
> > > > > The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> > > > > developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> > > > > deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> > > > > accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> > > > > team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> > > > > another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> > > > > TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> > > > > no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> > > > > system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> > > > > newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> > > > > extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> > > > > existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> > > > > more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> > > > > Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> > > > > improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> > > > > we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> > > > > maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> > > > > gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> > > > > and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> > > > > energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
> > > > >  http://trace.lmsal.com/
> > > > >  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> > > > > Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> > > > > with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> > > > > as little as $1000/kg.
> > > > >  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> > > > > How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> > > > > costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> > > > > observing instrument?
> > > > >  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> > > > > Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
> > > > >  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> > > > > It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> > > > > launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> > > > > observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> > > > > even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> > > > > what good is it?
>
> > > > > I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> > > > > 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> > > > > another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> > > > > include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> > > > > decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> > > > > be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> > > > > well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> > > > > cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> > > > > damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> > > > > photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> > > > > B.
>
> > > > >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”
>
> > > > You folks do realize that I'm talking about a one-time expense or draw
> > > > of 2 cents per global populous of 6.75 billion individuals.  In most
> > > > states and many other nations you could get a 5 cent refund on an
> > > > aluminum soda or beer can, or in Michigan we're talking about getting
> > > > a dime per beverage bottle or can.  So, how poor do we have to get in
> > > > order for a one-time charge of 2 cents being too much to ask for?
>
> > > We're talking of humanity roughly spending 2 cents per decade for each
> > > TRACEe3, though perhaps consolidating three of these nifty
> > > observatories (two TRACEe2 and one TRACEe3) for as little as 5 cents
> > > per decade.
>
> > What exactly would a truly intelligent ET think of us?
>
> > So once again, instead of seeing any real progress we have this other
> > better thing of systematically ignoring and/or obfuscating on behalf
> > of avoiding truths and whatever is technically doable, as well as
> > banishing and/or trashing those with nothing but good intentions, and
> > otherwise we have this other lemming genetic disorder and subsequent
> > obsession of no longer deductively thinking for ourselves (ideal
> > minions for warlords and cabals).  No wonder this nation and the world
> > in general has been going nowhere.
>
> > Now try to imagine an entire world discovered by ETs, as populated by
> > lemmings, such as Eden/Earth.
>
> So why the great silent treatment? (is TRACE a dirty word?)

I’d thought this topic of TRACEe2 and TRACEe3 had died, by way of the
usual topic/author stalking and bashing that mainstream minions
(usually faith-based republicans), status-quo bigots and brown-nosed
clowns that otherwise ignore and/or banish whatever rocks their kosher
boat.  But lo and behold, my shadow rabbi comes to its rescue.

 Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”

Now we have a new and improved gauntlet of a topic/author taboo and/or
banishment enforced policy, or rather media infowar tactic, even if it
means forcing mainstream to ignore any fix to our badly GW traumatized
environment and of its unique biodiversity we call Eden/Earth, or
merely on behalf of improving it’s use of government and our limited
resources. The biggest forbidden topics have to do with discussing
other forms of off-world intelligent life, because such isn’t supposed
to exist unless it’s of a subhuman Zionist/Jewish species that we get
to dominate and profit from. (isn't that special)

All we seem to get nowadays is the usual Republican Zionist Nazi
replies of change nothing and otherwise do nothing, because apparently
nothing is bad with the way everything is, and besides nothing
seriously bad is ever going to happen, and even if it should we mere
humans couldn't have done anything positive or constructive for the
better.

In other warm and fuzzy Usenet/newsgroup words of cult/cabal wisdom;
Change nothing, revise nothing and above all do nothing open-minded
about learning, exploring, researching or forbid any public sharing of
whatever deductive formulated knowledge or even alternative
interpretations, because we (those in charge) supposedly like
everything exactly as it is.

 ~ BG


On Jun 26, 10:57 am, BradGuth  wrote:
> Perhaps all we need in addition to the spendy and performance limited
> CoRoT is TRACEe3 (1000 fold better resolution) at less than a third
> the cost, or perhaps three TRACEe3 observatories for roughly the same
> cost as one CoRoT.
>
> The original TRACE of only 250 kg (still functioning) was a fast-track
> developed satellite as a seriously dirt cheap solar observatory,
> deployed by the little and costly Pegasus XL, so thereby the R&D for
> accomplishing a thousand fold optical/imaging improvement by the same
> team should be as equally quick and dirt cheap, although too large for
> another spendy launch via Pegasus XL.
>
> TRACEe3 at perhaps a mass of as little as 500 kg<1000 kg should have
> no problems whatsoever looking directly at the Sirius star/solar
> system.  With its mirror optics, greatly extended focal length and
> newer CCD imager could extend its observing spectrum well into far/
> extreme UVc, although the telephoto optics already utilized by the
> existing TRACE along with those narrow bandpass filters would still be
> more than sufficient for UVa through IR imaging.
>
> Ultra flat black interior coatings via nano carbon tubes should also
> improve the imaging results of TRACEe3 and most any other optics, and
> we do need a replacement for the existing TRACE anyway because its
> maneuvering fuel is running low, as well as any one of its essential
> gyros could fail at most any time.  A decade worth of CCD improvements
> and better optics as well as faster rad-hard processors that are more
> energy efficient is only going to make this upgrade easier.
>  http://trace.lmsal.com/
>  http://directory.eoportal.org/presentations/129/10301.html
>
> Possibly an upgraded Shtil Launch Vehicle (in surplus inventory along
> with a pair of small surplus SRBs) could deploy a TRACEe3 payload for
> as little as $1000/kg.
>  http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/world/russia/shtil.htm
>
> How much is the all-inclusive (meaning birth to grave) CoRoT actually
> costing us?  Can it even look at Sirius without over-saturating its
> observing instrument?
>  http://www.corot.de/Download/Corot_start_kit_English.pdf
>
> Cost per kg from Earth to Low earth orbit (unmanned)
>  http://www.marspedia.org/index.php?title=Financial_effort_estimation
>
> It must have been terribly spendy (including its launch via the Soyuz
> launch vehicle), because nowhere has any accounting of the satellite
> observatory R&D plus its mission cost  been mentioned.  If it can’t
> even look at the stellar vibrance and seismic activity of Sirius, then
> what good is it?
>
> I found one old blog suggesting the 640 kg CoRoT investment was up to
> 170 million euros ($225M).  That doesn’t seem all that cheap for just
> another orbiting telescope, and probably that amount didn’t even
> include its honest share of the spendy four stage launch or the annual/
> decade budget for gathering and publishing its data.  A TRACEe3 could
> be accomplished for as little as one cent per human population, as
> well as deployed and operated for a decade on less than another one
> cent per human population.  TRACEe3 for two cents seems like a pretty
> damn good deal, especially when we could see the extremely vibrant
> photosphere of Sirius A and possibly even a few pixels worth of Sirius
> B.
>
>  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG / “Guth Usenet”