On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
wrote:

>On Sep 19, 11:49 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 19, 11:30 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Sep 19, 6:30 am, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
>> >> >> In article ,
>>
>> >> >> BradGuth   wrote:
>> >> >> >You obviously live in a pretend world, where governments and their
>> >> >> >faith-based puppet masters do not continually lie their mutual cold-
>> >> >> >war perpetrating butts off.
>>
>> >> >> No, but unlike you we aren't willing to believe anything so long as
>> >> >> it obvious nonsense.
>>
>> >> >Now the regular laws of physics and best available science is "obvious
>> >> >nonsense"?
>>
>> >> > ~ BG
>>
>> >> Only when interpreted by you ~ BG. You take science, run it through your
>> >> internal processor and out comes "babble babble babble bable..."
>>
>> >How many tens of thousands of USSR government, military and civil
>> >service jobs plus whatever employed and/or retirement benefits were on
>> >the line at the end of WWII?
>>
>> Huh? See ~ BG? This is what I mean about the incomprehensibility of your
>> posts. One post you are talking about physics, the next you are waffling
>> about the USSR and WWII. I am not as crazy as you. These disparate items do
>> not appear to go together. I'm sure that with the extra voices you have
>> going in your head this conversation is seamless, but us sane people are
>> missing half (or more) of your conversation.
>>
>> >Same question applied to the American side or point of view.
>>
>> I'm sure it does... What do your other voices tell you is the answer?
>>
>> --
>> Shill #2
>>
>> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>>  theobviousgcashman
>
>Evidence exclusion and perpetual denial has been mainstream status quo
>for centuries, if not thousands of years.  How many thousand
>documented examples of government and faith-based lies upon lies and
>of subsequent consequences would you like to ponder?

Babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble
babble babble babble babble babble babble. Babble  babble babble babble
babble babble babble babble babble babble-babble babble babble babble
babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble?

> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

--
~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2

Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
 theobviousgcashman

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:33 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
wrote:

>On Sep 19, 12:22 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 19, 11:49 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Sep 19, 11:30 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Sep 19, 6:30 am, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
>> >> >> >> In article ,
>>
>> >> >> >> BradGuth   wrote:
>> >> >> >> >You obviously live in a pretend world, where governments and their
>> >> >> >> >faith-based puppet masters do not continually lie their mutual cold-
>> >> >> >> >war perpetrating butts off.
>>
>> >> >> >> No, but unlike you we aren't willing to believe anything so long as
>> >> >> >> it obvious nonsense.
>>
>> >> >> >Now the regular laws of physics and best available science is "obvious
>> >> >> >nonsense"?
>>
>> >> >> > ~ BG
>>
>> >> >> Only when interpreted by you ~ BG. You take science, run it through your
>> >> >> internal processor and out comes "babble babble babble bable..."
>>
>> >> >How many tens of thousands of USSR government, military and civil
>> >> >service jobs plus whatever employed and/or retirement benefits were on
>> >> >the line at the end of WWII?
>>
>> >> Huh? See ~ BG? This is what I mean about the incomprehensibility of your
>> >> posts. One post you are talking about physics, the next you are waffling
>> >> about the USSR and WWII. I am not as crazy as you. These disparate items do
>> >> not appear to go together. I'm sure that with the extra voices you have
>> >> going in your head this conversation is seamless, but us sane people are
>> >> missing half (or more) of your conversation.
>>
>> >> >Same question applied to the American side or point of view.
>>
>> >> I'm sure it does... What do your other voices tell you is the answer?
>>
>> >> --
>> >> Shill #2
>>
>> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>> >>  theobviousgcashman
>>
>> >Evidence exclusion and perpetual denial has been mainstream status quo
>> >for centuries, if not thousands of years.  How many thousand
>> >documented examples of government and faith-based lies upon lies and
>> >of subsequent consequences would you like to ponder?
>>
>> Babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble
>> babble babble babble babble babble babble. Babble  babble babble babble
>> babble babble babble babble babble babble-babble babble babble babble
>> babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble?
>>
>> > ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG
>>
>> --
>> ~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2
>>
>> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>>  theobviousgcashman
>
>
>Here’s yet another good one, as recently published in Popular Science,
>of where the DARPA mainstream is continually trying to snooker and
>dumbfound its way along.
>
>“To get the resolution to the point where one pixel was the size of a
>foot print, Hubble would need a primary mirror of 2,400 feet in
>diameter”
>
>Every 5th graders knows or at least should know that the size of a
>primary mirror has nothing to do with optical magnification or of its
>pixel resolution.  GeoEye at a low orbit that’s easily doable, as such
>could image our physically dark as coal Selene/moon as tight as an
>Apollo moon-boot foot print per pixel.  The USAF has had better than
>GeoEye optics as of decades ago.
>
>  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

Maybe. But your 5th graders would also understand that GeoEye-1 is
681km/423 miles above the objects it is looking at. The Moon is
384,000km/238600 miles from the Hubble Space Telescope.

http://launch.geoeye.com/LaunchSite/about/fact_sheet.aspx

Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain it to you.

--
Shill #2

A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can
never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates
what he hears into something he can understand. 
 Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
wrote:

>On Sep 20, 1:19 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:33 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 19, 12:22 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Sep 19, 11:49 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:30 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 6:30 am, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> In article ,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> BradGuth   wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >You obviously live in a pretend world, where governments and their
>> >> >> >> >> >faith-based puppet masters do not continually lie their mutual cold-
>> >> >> >> >> >war perpetrating butts off.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> No, but unlike you we aren't willing to believe anything so long as
>> >> >> >> >> it obvious nonsense.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Now the regular laws of physics and best available science is "obvious
>> >> >> >> >nonsense"?
>>
>> >> >> >> > ~ BG
>>
>> >> >> >> Only when interpreted by you ~ BG. You take science, run it through your
>> >> >> >> internal processor and out comes "babble babble babble bable..."
>>
>> >> >> >How many tens of thousands of USSR government, military and civil
>> >> >> >service jobs plus whatever employed and/or retirement benefits were on
>> >> >> >the line at the end of WWII?
>>
>> >> >> Huh? See ~ BG? This is what I mean about the incomprehensibility of your
>> >> >> posts. One post you are talking about physics, the next you are waffling
>> >> >> about the USSR and WWII. I am not as crazy as you. These disparate items do
>> >> >> not appear to go together. I'm sure that with the extra voices you have
>> >> >> going in your head this conversation is seamless, but us sane people are
>> >> >> missing half (or more) of your conversation.
>>
>> >> >> >Same question applied to the American side or point of view.
>>
>> >> >> I'm sure it does... What do your other voices tell you is the answer?
>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Shill #2
>>
>> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
>>
>> >> >Evidence exclusion and perpetual denial has been mainstream status quo
>> >> >for centuries, if not thousands of years.  How many thousand
>> >> >documented examples of government and faith-based lies upon lies and
>> >> >of subsequent consequences would you like to ponder?
>>
>> >> Babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble
>> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble. Babble  babble babble babble
>> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble-babble babble babble babble
>> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble?
>>
>> >> > ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG
>>
>> >> --
>> >> ~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2
>>
>> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>> >>  theobviousgcashman
>>
>> >Here’s yet another good one, as recently published in Popular Science,
>> >of where the DARPA mainstream is continually trying to snooker and
>> >dumbfound its way along.
>>
>> >“To get the resolution to the point where one pixel was the size of a
>> >foot print, Hubble would need a primary mirror of 2,400 feet in
>> >diameter”
>>
>> >Every 5th graders knows or at least should know that the size of a
>> >primary mirror has nothing to do with optical magnification or of its
>> >pixel resolution.  GeoEye at a low orbit that’s easily doable, as such
>> >could image our physically dark as coal Selene/moon as tight as an
>> >Apollo moon-boot foot print per pixel.  The USAF has had better than
>> >GeoEye optics as of decades ago.
>>
>> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>>
>> Maybe. But your 5th graders would also understand that GeoEye-1 is
>> 681km/423 miles above the objects it is looking at. The Moon is
>> 384,000km/238600 miles from the Hubble Space Telescope.
>>
>> http://launch.geoeye.com/LaunchSite/about/fact_sheet.aspx
>>
>> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain it to you.
>>
>
>What's to explain?

What's to explain? Well... The quote you cited "“To get the resolution to
the point where one pixel was the size of a foot print, Hubble would need a
primary mirror of 2,400 feet in diameter”"

Followed by your contention that "Every 5th graders knows or at least
should know that the size of a primary mirror has nothing to do with
optical magnification or of its pixel resolution. GeoEye at a low orbit..."

You are trying to tell us that "They" are lying about why the Hubble Space
Telescope's resolution is not good enough to see objects on the Moon and
then you give us the example of a telescope in low Earth orbit.

Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain to you that you are comparing
oranges and apples.

>Put GeoEye at 68 km away from the physically dark as coal Selene/moon,
>and you'll be getting the resolution I'd mentioned, and that's raw w/o
>PhotoShop enlargements.
>
>The USAF has had equal or better than GeoEye 2 for more than three
>decades, and that's worth better than 2.5 mm resolution when placed
>into the much lower orbit around our moon.

And what... you would believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they
flew a satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
footprints?

Of course you wouldn't!

>  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2
--

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God
who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect 
has intended us to forgo their use.
	Galileo Galilei

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:08:52 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
wrote:

>On Sep 21, 1:43 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 20, 1:19 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:33 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Sep 19, 12:22 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:49 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:30 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 6:30 am, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> In article ,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> BradGuth   wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >You obviously live in a pretend world, where governments and their
>> >> >> >> >> >> >faith-based puppet masters do not continually lie their mutual cold-
>> >> >> >> >> >> >war perpetrating butts off.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> No, but unlike you we aren't willing to believe anything so long as
>> >> >> >> >> >> it obvious nonsense.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Now the regular laws of physics and best available science is "obvious
>> >> >> >> >> >nonsense"?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> > ~ BG
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Only when interpreted by you ~ BG. You take science, run it through your
>> >> >> >> >> internal processor and out comes "babble babble babble bable..."
>>
>> >> >> >> >How many tens of thousands of USSR government, military and civil
>> >> >> >> >service jobs plus whatever employed and/or retirement benefits were on
>> >> >> >> >the line at the end of WWII?
>>
>> >> >> >> Huh? See ~ BG? This is what I mean about the incomprehensibility of your
>> >> >> >> posts. One post you are talking about physics, the next you are waffling
>> >> >> >> about the USSR and WWII. I am not as crazy as you. These disparate items do
>> >> >> >> not appear to go together. I'm sure that with the extra voices you have
>> >> >> >> going in your head this conversation is seamless, but us sane people are
>> >> >> >> missing half (or more) of your conversation.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Same question applied to the American side or point of view.
>>
>> >> >> >> I'm sure it does... What do your other voices tell you is the answer?
>>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> Shill #2
>>
>> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
>>
>> >> >> >Evidence exclusion and perpetual denial has been mainstream status quo
>> >> >> >for centuries, if not thousands of years.  How many thousand
>> >> >> >documented examples of government and faith-based lies upon lies and
>> >> >> >of subsequent consequences would you like to ponder?
>>
>> >> >> Babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble
>> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble. Babble  babble babble babble
>> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble-babble babble babble babble
>> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble?
>>
>> >> >> > ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG
>>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> ~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2
>>
>> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
>>
>> >> >Here’s yet another good one, as recently published in Popular Science,
>> >> >of where the DARPA mainstream is continually trying to snooker and
>> >> >dumbfound its way along.
>>
>> >> >“To get the resolution to the point where one pixel was the size of a
>> >> >foot print, Hubble would need a primary mirror of 2,400 feet in
>> >> >diameter”
>>
>> >> >Every 5th graders knows or at least should know that the size of a
>> >> >primary mirror has nothing to do with optical magnification or of its
>> >> >pixel resolution.  GeoEye at a low orbit that’s easily doable, as such
>> >> >could image our physically dark as coal Selene/moon as tight as an
>> >> >Apollo moon-boot foot print per pixel.  The USAF has had better than
>> >> >GeoEye optics as of decades ago.
>>
>> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>>
>> >> Maybe. But your 5th graders would also understand that GeoEye-1 is
>> >> 681km/423 miles above the objects it is looking at. The Moon is
>> >> 384,000km/238600 miles from the Hubble Space Telescope.
>>
>> >>http://launch.geoeye.com/LaunchSite/about/fact_sheet.aspx
>>
>> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain it to you.
>>
>> >What's to explain?
>>
>> What's to explain? Well... The quote you cited "“To get the resolution to
>> the point where one pixel was the size of a foot print, Hubble would need a
>> primary mirror of 2,400 feet in diameter”"
>>
>> Followed by your contention that "Every 5th graders knows or at least
>> should know that the size of a primary mirror has nothing to do with
>> optical magnification or of its pixel resolution. GeoEye at a low orbit..."
>>
>> You are trying to tell us that "They" are lying about why the Hubble Space
>> Telescope's resolution is not good enough to see objects on the Moon and
>> then you give us the example of a telescope in low Earth orbit.
>>
>> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain to you that you are comparing
>> oranges and apples.
>>
>> >Put GeoEye at 68 km away from the physically dark as coal Selene/moon,
>> >and you'll be getting the resolution I'd mentioned, and that's raw w/o
>> >PhotoShop enlargements.
>>
>> >The USAF has had equal or better than GeoEye 2 for more than three
>> >decades, and that's worth better than 2.5 mm resolution when placed
>> >into the much lower orbit around our moon.
>>
>> And what... you would believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they
>> flew a satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
>> footprints?
>>
>> Of course you wouldn't!
>>
>> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>>
>
>What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
>nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
>that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
>understand?
>
> ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG

Nice tap dance there ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG. Don't
even try to address the points, just bluster and maybe no one will notice.

--
~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2

Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
 theobviousgcashman

On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:43:15 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
wrote:

>On Sep 21, 9:14 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:08:52 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Sep 21, 1:43 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >On Sep 20, 1:19 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:33 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >On Sep 19, 12:22 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:49 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:30 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
>> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 6:30 am, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article ,
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> BradGuth   wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You obviously live in a pretend world, where governments and their
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >faith-based puppet masters do not continually lie their mutual cold-
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >war perpetrating butts off.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, but unlike you we aren't willing to believe anything so long as
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> it obvious nonsense.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Now the regular laws of physics and best available science is "obvious
>> >> >> >> >> >> >nonsense"?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > ~ BG
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Only when interpreted by you ~ BG. You take science, run it through your
>> >> >> >> >> >> internal processor and out comes "babble babble babble bable..."
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >How many tens of thousands of USSR government, military and civil
>> >> >> >> >> >service jobs plus whatever employed and/or retirement benefits were on
>> >> >> >> >> >the line at the end of WWII?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Huh? See ~ BG? This is what I mean about the incomprehensibility of your
>> >> >> >> >> posts. One post you are talking about physics, the next you are waffling
>> >> >> >> >> about the USSR and WWII. I am not as crazy as you. These disparate items do
>> >> >> >> >> not appear to go together. I'm sure that with the extra voices you have
>> >> >> >> >> going in your head this conversation is seamless, but us sane people are
>> >> >> >> >> missing half (or more) of your conversation.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Same question applied to the American side or point of view.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I'm sure it does... What do your other voices tell you is the answer?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> >> Shill #2
>>
>> >> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>> >> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
>>
>> >> >> >> >Evidence exclusion and perpetual denial has been mainstream status quo
>> >> >> >> >for centuries, if not thousands of years.  How many thousand
>> >> >> >> >documented examples of government and faith-based lies upon lies and
>> >> >> >> >of subsequent consequences would you like to ponder?
>>
>> >> >> >> Babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble
>> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble. Babble  babble babble babble
>> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble-babble babble babble babble
>> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble?
>>
>> >> >> >> > ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG
>>
>> >> >> >> --
>> >> >> >> ~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2
>>
>> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
>>
>> >> >> >Here’s yet another good one, as recently published in Popular Science,
>> >> >> >of where the DARPA mainstream is continually trying to snooker and
>> >> >> >dumbfound its way along.
>>
>> >> >> >“To get the resolution to the point where one pixel was the size of a
>> >> >> >foot print, Hubble would need a primary mirror of 2,400 feet in
>> >> >> >diameter”
>>
>> >> >> >Every 5th graders knows or at least should know that the size of a
>> >> >> >primary mirror has nothing to do with optical magnification or of its
>> >> >> >pixel resolution.  GeoEye at a low orbit that’s easily doable, as such
>> >> >> >could image our physically dark as coal Selene/moon as tight as an
>> >> >> >Apollo moon-boot foot print per pixel.  The USAF has had better than
>> >> >> >GeoEye optics as of decades ago.
>>
>> >> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>>
>> >> >> Maybe. But your 5th graders would also understand that GeoEye-1 is
>> >> >> 681km/423 miles above the objects it is looking at. The Moon is
>> >> >> 384,000km/238600 miles from the Hubble Space Telescope.
>>
>> >> >>http://launch.geoeye.com/LaunchSite/about/fact_sheet.aspx
>>
>> >> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain it to you.
>>
>> >> >What's to explain?
>>
>> >> What's to explain? Well... The quote you cited "“To get the resolution to
>> >> the point where one pixel was the size of a foot print, Hubble would need a
>> >> primary mirror of 2,400 feet in diameter”"
>>
>> >> Followed by your contention that "Every 5th graders knows or at least
>> >> should know that the size of a primary mirror has nothing to do with
>> >> optical magnification or of its pixel resolution. GeoEye at a low orbit..."
>>
>> >> You are trying to tell us that "They" are lying about why the Hubble Space
>> >> Telescope's resolution is not good enough to see objects on the Moon and
>> >> then you give us the example of a telescope in low Earth orbit.
>>
>> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain to you that you are comparing
>> >> oranges and apples.
>>
>> >> >Put GeoEye at 68 km away from the physically dark as coal Selene/moon,
>> >> >and you'll be getting the resolution I'd mentioned, and that's raw w/o
>> >> >PhotoShop enlargements.
>>
>> >> >The USAF has had equal or better than GeoEye 2 for more than three
>> >> >decades, and that's worth better than 2.5 mm resolution when placed
>> >> >into the much lower orbit around our moon.
>>
>> >> And what... you would believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they
>> >> flew a satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
>> >> footprints?
>>
>> >> Of course you wouldn't!
>>
>> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>>
>> >What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
>> >nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
>> >that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
>> >understand?
>>
>> > ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>>
>> Nice tap dance there ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG. Don't
>> even try to address the points, just bluster and maybe no one will notice.
>
>In other words, I've got each of you brain dead and pecker sucking
>bastards on that one.

No. You have got nothing. Not even a lucid reply. You are still just tap
dancing about, hoping to not have to answer the question.

Would you believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they flew a
satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
footprints?

>“What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
>nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
>that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
>understand?”

This rant has nothing to do with the question posed. I know the question is
not written in Babble. I don't speak Babble. Can you get a 5th grader to
translate it for you?

--
Shill #2

Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
 theobviousgcashman

On Sep 21, 12:56 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:43:15 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On Sep 21, 9:14 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:08:52 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth  >> wrote:
>
> >> >On Sep 21, 1:43 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >On Sep 20, 1:19 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:33 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 12:22 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:49 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:30 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 6:30 am, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article ,
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> BradGuth   wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You obviously live in a pretend world, where governments and their
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >faith-based puppet masters do not continually lie their mutual cold-
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >war perpetrating butts off.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, but unlike you we aren't willing to believe anything so long as
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it obvious nonsense.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Now the regular laws of physics and best available science is "obvious
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >nonsense"?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ~ BG
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Only when interpreted by you ~ BG. You take science, run it through your
> >> >> >> >> >> >> internal processor and out comes "babble babble babble bable..."
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >How many tens of thousands of USSR government, military and civil
> >> >> >> >> >> >service jobs plus whatever employed and/or retirement benefits were on
> >> >> >> >> >> >the line at the end of WWII?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Huh? See ~ BG? This is what I mean about the incomprehensibility of your
> >> >> >> >> >> posts. One post you are talking about physics, the next you are waffling
> >> >> >> >> >> about the USSR and WWII. I am not as crazy as you. These disparate items do
> >> >> >> >> >> not appear to go together. I'm sure that with the extra voices you have
> >> >> >> >> >> going in your head this conversation is seamless, but us sane people are
> >> >> >> >> >> missing half (or more) of your conversation.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Same question applied to the American side or point of view.
>
> >> >> >> >> >> I'm sure it does... What do your other voices tell you is the answer?
>
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> Shill #2
>
> >> >> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
> >> >> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
>
> >> >> >> >> >Evidence exclusion and perpetual denial has been mainstream status quo
> >> >> >> >> >for centuries, if not thousands of years.  How many thousand
> >> >> >> >> >documented examples of government and faith-based lies upon lies and
> >> >> >> >> >of subsequent consequences would you like to ponder?
>
> >> >> >> >> Babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble
> >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble. Babble  babble babble babble
> >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble-babble babble babble babble
> >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble?
>
> >> >> >> >> > ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG
>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> ~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2
>
> >> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
> >> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
>
> >> >> >> >Here’s yet another good one, as recently published in Popular Science,
> >> >> >> >of where the DARPA mainstream is continually trying to snooker and
> >> >> >> >dumbfound its way along.
>
> >> >> >> >“To get the resolution to the point where one pixel was the size of a
> >> >> >> >foot print, Hubble would need a primary mirror of 2,400 feet in
> >> >> >> >diameter”
>
> >> >> >> >Every 5th graders knows or at least should know that the size of a
> >> >> >> >primary mirror has nothing to do with optical magnification or of its
> >> >> >> >pixel resolution.  GeoEye at a low orbit that’s easily doable, as such
> >> >> >> >could image our physically dark as coal Selene/moon as tight as an
> >> >> >> >Apollo moon-boot foot print per pixel.  The USAF has had better than
> >> >> >> >GeoEye optics as of decades ago.
>
> >> >> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>
> >> >> >> Maybe. But your 5th graders would also understand that GeoEye-1 is
> >> >> >> 681km/423 miles above the objects it is looking at. The Moon is
> >> >> >> 384,000km/238600 miles from the Hubble Space Telescope.
>
> >> >> >>http://launch.geoeye.com/LaunchSite/about/fact_sheet.aspx
>
> >> >> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain it to you.
>
> >> >> >What's to explain?
>
> >> >> What's to explain? Well... The quote you cited "“To get the resolution to
> >> >> the point where one pixel was the size of a foot print, Hubble would need a
> >> >> primary mirror of 2,400 feet in diameter”"
>
> >> >> Followed by your contention that "Every 5th graders knows or at least
> >> >> should know that the size of a primary mirror has nothing to do with
> >> >> optical magnification or of its pixel resolution. GeoEye at a low orbit..."
>
> >> >> You are trying to tell us that "They" are lying about why the Hubble Space
> >> >> Telescope's resolution is not good enough to see objects on the Moon and
> >> >> then you give us the example of a telescope in low Earth orbit.
>
> >> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain to you that you are comparing
> >> >> oranges and apples.
>
> >> >> >Put GeoEye at 68 km away from the physically dark as coal Selene/moon,
> >> >> >and you'll be getting the resolution I'd mentioned, and that's raw w/o
> >> >> >PhotoShop enlargements.
>
> >> >> >The USAF has had equal or better than GeoEye 2 for more than three
> >> >> >decades, and that's worth better than 2.5 mm resolution when placed
> >> >> >into the much lower orbit around our moon.
>
> >> >> And what... you would believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they
> >> >> flew a satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
> >> >> footprints?
>
> >> >> Of course you wouldn't!
>
> >> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>
> >> >What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
> >> >nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
> >> >that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
> >> >understand?
>
> >> > ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
>
> >> Nice tap dance there ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG. Don't
> >> even try to address the points, just bluster and maybe no one will notice.
>
> >In other words, I've got each of you brain dead and pecker sucking
> >bastards on that one.
>
> No. You have got nothing. Not even a lucid reply. You are still just tap
> dancing about, hoping to not have to answer the question.
>
> Would you believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they flew a
> satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
> footprints?
>
> >“What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
> >nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
> >that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
> >understand?”
>
> This rant has nothing to do with the question posed. I know the question is
> not written in Babble. I don't speak Babble. Can you get a 5th grader to
> translate it for you?

I’d believe the independently peer replicated whole truth and nothing
but the truth, whereas you’d believe whatever you’re told to believe,
or else.

 ~ BG

In article <c2fdd243-36a5-4acf-a1b0-20c7652fe4c8
@q26g2000prq.googlegroups.com>, bradguth@gmail.com says...
> On Sep 21, 12:56 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:43:15 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Sep 21, 9:14 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> > >> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:08:52 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> > >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >On Sep 21, 1:43 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> > >> >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> > >> >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >On Sep 20, 1:19 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> > >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:33 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> > >> >> >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 12:22 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> > >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:49 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> > >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:30 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 6:30 am, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article ,
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> BradGuth   wrote:
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You obviously live in a pretend world, where governments and their
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >faith-based puppet masters do not continually lie their mutual cold-
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >war perpetrating butts off.
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, but unlike you we aren't willing to believe anything so long as
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it obvious nonsense.
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >Now the regular laws of physics and best available science is "obvious
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >nonsense"?
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > ~ BG
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> Only when interpreted by you ~ BG. You take science, run it through your
> > >> >> >> >> >> >> internal processor and out comes "babble babble babble bable..."
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >How many tens of thousands of USSR government, military and civil
> > >> >> >> >> >> >service jobs plus whatever employed and/or retirement benefits were on
> > >> >> >> >> >> >the line at the end of WWII?
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> Huh? See ~ BG? This is what I mean about the incomprehensibility of your
> > >> >> >> >> >> posts. One post you are talking about physics, the next you are waffling
> > >> >> >> >> >> about the USSR and WWII. I am not as crazy as you. These disparate items do
> > >> >> >> >> >> not appear to go together. I'm sure that with the extra voices you have
> > >> >> >> >> >> going in your head this conversation is seamless, but us sane people are
> > >> >> >> >> >> missing half (or more) of your conversation.
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> >Same question applied to the American side or point of view.
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> I'm sure it does... What do your other voices tell you is the answer?
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> --
> > >> >> >> >> >> Shill #2
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
> > >> >> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
> >
> > >> >> >> >> >Evidence exclusion and perpetual denial has been mainstream status quo
> > >> >> >> >> >for centuries, if not thousands of years.  How many thousand
> > >> >> >> >> >documented examples of government and faith-based lies upon lies and
> > >> >> >> >> >of subsequent consequences would you like to ponder?
> >
> > >> >> >> >> Babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble
> > >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble. Babble  babble babble babble
> > >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble-babble babble babble babble
> > >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble?
> >
> > >> >> >> >> > ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG
> >
> > >> >> >> >> --
> > >> >> >> >> ~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2
> >
> > >> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
> > >> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
> >
> > >> >> >> >Here=3Fs yet another good one, as recently published in Popular Science,
> > >> >> >> >of where the DARPA mainstream is continually trying to snooker and
> > >> >> >> >dumbfound its way along.
> >
> > >> >> >> >=3FTo get the resolution to the point where one pixel was the size of a
> > >> >> >> >foot print, Hubble would need a primary mirror of 2,400 feet in
> > >> >> >> >diameter=3F
> >
> > >> >> >> >Every 5th graders knows or at least should know that the size of a
> > >> >> >> >primary mirror has nothing to do with optical magnification or of its
> > >> >> >> >pixel resolution.  GeoEye at a low orbit that=3Fs easily doable, as such
> > >> >> >> >could image our physically dark as coal Selene/moon as tight as an
> > >> >> >> >Apollo moon-boot foot print per pixel.  The USAF has had better than
> > >> >> >> >GeoEye optics as of decades ago.
> >
> > >> >> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
> >
> > >> >> >> Maybe. But your 5th graders would also understand that GeoEye-1 is
> > >> >> >> 681km/423 miles above the objects it is looking at. The Moon is
> > >> >> >> 384,000km/238600 miles from the Hubble Space Telescope.
> >
> > >> >> >>http://launch.geoeye.com/LaunchSite/about/fact_sheet.aspx
> >
> > >> >> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain it to you.
> >
> > >> >> >What's to explain?
> >
> > >> >> What's to explain? Well... The quote you cited "=3FTo get the resolution to
> > >> >> the point where one pixel was the size of a foot print, Hubble would need a
> > >> >> primary mirror of 2,400 feet in diameter=3F"
> >
> > >> >> Followed by your contention that "Every 5th graders knows or at least
> > >> >> should know that the size of a primary mirror has nothing to do with
> > >> >> optical magnification or of its pixel resolution. GeoEye at a low orbit..."
> >
> > >> >> You are trying to tell us that "They" are lying about why the Hubble Space
> > >> >> Telescope's resolution is not good enough to see objects on the Moon and
> > >> >> then you give us the example of a telescope in low Earth orbit.
> >
> > >> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain to you that you are comparing
> > >> >> oranges and apples.
> >
> > >> >> >Put GeoEye at 68 km away from the physically dark as coal Selene/moon,
> > >> >> >and you'll be getting the resolution I'd mentioned, and that's raw w/o
> > >> >> >PhotoShop enlargements.
> >
> > >> >> >The USAF has had equal or better than GeoEye 2 for more than three
> > >> >> >decades, and that's worth better than 2.5 mm resolution when placed
> > >> >> >into the much lower orbit around our moon.
> >
> > >> >> And what... you would believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they
> > >> >> flew a satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
> > >> >> footprints?
> >
> > >> >> Of course you wouldn't!
> >
> > >> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
> >
> > >> >What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
> > >> >nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
> > >> >that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
> > >> >understand?
> >
> > >> > ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
> >
> > >> Nice tap dance there ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG. Don't
> > >> even try to address the points, just bluster and maybe no one will notice.
> >
> > >In other words, I've got each of you brain dead and pecker sucking
> > >bastards on that one.
> >
> > No. You have got nothing. Not even a lucid reply. You are still just tap
> > dancing about, hoping to not have to answer the question.
> >
> > Would you believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they flew a
> > satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
> > footprints?
> >
> > >=3FWhat exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
> > >nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
> > >that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
> > >understand?=3F
> >
> > This rant has nothing to do with the question posed. I know the question is
> > not written in Babble. I don't speak Babble. Can you get a 5th grader to
> > translate it for you?
> 
> I=3Fd believe the independently peer replicated whole truth and nothing
> but the truth, whereas you=3Fd believe whatever you=3Fre told to believe,
> or else.
> 
>  ~ BG
> 

Or else what? 

-- 
BDK

BDK Klan leader?
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster

In article , 
gov.shill@gmail.com says...
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 12:43:15 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> wrote:
> 
> >On Sep 21, 9:14 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 09:08:52 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >On Sep 21, 1:43 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 17:30:48 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >On Sep 20, 1:19 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 16:06:33 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 12:22 pm, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:01:56 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:49 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:41:26 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 11:30 am, Government Shill #2  wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:25:43 -0700 (PDT), BradGuth 
> >> >> >> >> >> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >On Sep 19, 6:30 am, rich...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> In article ,
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> BradGuth   wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >You obviously live in a pretend world, where governments and their
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >faith-based puppet masters do not continually lie their mutual cold-
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >war perpetrating butts off.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> No, but unlike you we aren't willing to believe anything so long as
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> it obvious nonsense.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >Now the regular laws of physics and best available science is "obvious
> >> >> >> >> >> >> >nonsense"?
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ~ BG
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Only when interpreted by you ~ BG. You take science, run it through your
> >> >> >> >> >> >> internal processor and out comes "babble babble babble bable..."
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >How many tens of thousands of USSR government, military and civil
> >> >> >> >> >> >service jobs plus whatever employed and/or retirement benefits were on
> >> >> >> >> >> >the line at the end of WWII?
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Huh? See ~ BG? This is what I mean about the incomprehensibility of your
> >> >> >> >> >> posts. One post you are talking about physics, the next you are waffling
> >> >> >> >> >> about the USSR and WWII. I am not as crazy as you. These disparate items do
> >> >> >> >> >> not appear to go together. I'm sure that with the extra voices you have
> >> >> >> >> >> going in your head this conversation is seamless, but us sane people are
> >> >> >> >> >> missing half (or more) of your conversation.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Same question applied to the American side or point of view.
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I'm sure it does... What do your other voices tell you is the answer?
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> >> Shill #2
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
> >> >> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
> >>
> >> >> >> >> >Evidence exclusion and perpetual denial has been mainstream status quo
> >> >> >> >> >for centuries, if not thousands of years.  How many thousand
> >> >> >> >> >documented examples of government and faith-based lies upon lies and
> >> >> >> >> >of subsequent consequences would you like to ponder?
> >>
> >> >> >> >> Babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble
> >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble. Babble  babble babble babble
> >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble-babble babble babble babble
> >> >> >> >> babble babble babble babble babble babble babble babble?
> >>
> >> >> >> >> > ~ BradGuthBrad_Guth Brad.GuthBradGuth BG
> >>
> >> >> >> >> --
> >> >> >> >> ~ Shill #2 Shill_#2 Shill.#2 Shill#2 S2
> >>
> >> >> >> >> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
> >> >> >> >>  theobviousgcashman
> >>
> >> >> >> >Here?s yet another good one, as recently published in Popular Science,
> >> >> >> >of where the DARPA mainstream is continually trying to snooker and
> >> >> >> >dumbfound its way along.
> >>
> >> >> >> >?To get the resolution to the point where one pixel was the size of a
> >> >> >> >foot print, Hubble would need a primary mirror of 2,400 feet in
> >> >> >> >diameter?
> >>
> >> >> >> >Every 5th graders knows or at least should know that the size of a
> >> >> >> >primary mirror has nothing to do with optical magnification or of its
> >> >> >> >pixel resolution.  GeoEye at a low orbit that?s easily doable, as such
> >> >> >> >could image our physically dark as coal Selene/moon as tight as an
> >> >> >> >Apollo moon-boot foot print per pixel.  The USAF has had better than
> >> >> >> >GeoEye optics as of decades ago.
> >>
> >> >> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe. But your 5th graders would also understand that GeoEye-1 is
> >> >> >> 681km/423 miles above the objects it is looking at. The Moon is
> >> >> >> 384,000km/238600 miles from the Hubble Space Telescope.
> >>
> >> >> >>http://launch.geoeye.com/LaunchSite/about/fact_sheet.aspx
> >>
> >> >> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain it to you.
> >>
> >> >> >What's to explain?
> >>
> >> >> What's to explain? Well... The quote you cited "?To get the resolution to
> >> >> the point where one pixel was the size of a foot print, Hubble would need a
> >> >> primary mirror of 2,400 feet in diameter?"
> >>
> >> >> Followed by your contention that "Every 5th graders knows or at least
> >> >> should know that the size of a primary mirror has nothing to do with
> >> >> optical magnification or of its pixel resolution. GeoEye at a low orbit..."
> >>
> >> >> You are trying to tell us that "They" are lying about why the Hubble Space
> >> >> Telescope's resolution is not good enough to see objects on the Moon and
> >> >> then you give us the example of a telescope in low Earth orbit.
> >>
> >> >> Maybe you should get a 5th grader to explain to you that you are comparing
> >> >> oranges and apples.
> >>
> >> >> >Put GeoEye at 68 km away from the physically dark as coal Selene/moon,
> >> >> >and you'll be getting the resolution I'd mentioned, and that's raw w/o
> >> >> >PhotoShop enlargements.
> >>
> >> >> >The USAF has had equal or better than GeoEye 2 for more than three
> >> >> >decades, and that's worth better than 2.5 mm resolution when placed
> >> >> >into the much lower orbit around our moon.
> >>
> >> >> And what... you would believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they
> >> >> flew a satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
> >> >> footprints?
> >>
> >> >> Of course you wouldn't!
> >>
> >> >> >  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
> >>
> >> >What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
> >> >nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
> >> >that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
> >> >understand?
> >>
> >> > ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG
> >>
> >> Nice tap dance there ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG. Don't
> >> even try to address the points, just bluster and maybe no one will notice.
> >
> >In other words, I've got each of you brain dead and pecker sucking
> >bastards on that one.
> 
> No. You have got nothing. Not even a lucid reply. You are still just tap
> dancing about, hoping to not have to answer the question.
> 
> Would you believe the USAF (an Evil Guvmint Entity) if they flew a
> satellite to the Moon and sent back pictures of Neil Armstrong's
> footprints?
> 
> >?What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
> >nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
> >that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
> >understand??
> 
> This rant has nothing to do with the question posed. I know the question is
> not written in Babble. I don't speak Babble. Can you get a 5th grader to
> translate it for you?
> 
> --
> Shill #2
> 
> Ears on the loon go round and round, round and round, round and round...
>  theobviousgcashman
> 


Wow, even the Great Guthball resorts to the gay sex stuff. Very 
disappointing.
-- 
BDK

BDK Klan leader?
kOOk Magnet!
NJJ CLUB #1
Shillmaster

On Sep 22, 10:10 am, "M104gal...@gmail.com" 
wrote:
> On Sep 22, 11:37 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 22, 7:07 am, "M104gal...@gmail.com" 
> > wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 22, 12:48 am, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 21, 2:09 pm, "M104gal...@gmail.com" 
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sep 21, 2:43 pm, BradGuth  wrote:
>
> > > > > > “What exactly is it about US and USSR government, military and of
> > > > > > nearly countless civil service related job security with vast benefits
> > > > > > that you and others of your mainstream status quo kind do not
> > > > > > understand?”
> > > > > >  ~ BG
>
> > > > > As a former NASA employee who worked in the Office of Manned Space
> > > > > Flight in the 60ties while attending GU law school, I can state
> > > > > without reservation that you are a nutcase!
>
> > > > No you can't.
>
> > > > > Hundreds of thousands of government employees and contractors could
> > > > > keep such a secret for 30 years with no leaks??
>
> > > > What's to leak if you and 99.9% of all others didn't know squat to
> > > > begin with?
>
> > > > > You have no clue as to
> > > > > how the federal government operates; "leaks" are a tactical, political
> > > > > tool and Washington way of life frequently used for a variety of
> > > > > nefarious objectives.
>
> > > > Are you suggesting that our government doesn't create and publish all
> > > > sorts of disinformation?
>
> > > > >  Do you also believe the government is hiding little green men?? Alien
> > > > > space ships??
>
> > > > I believe our government lies and otherwise tells us only whatever
> > > > they want to share.
>
> > > > > BTW, I have no "job security or benefits" to worry about--I have
> > > > > accumulated a rather large sum of money in savings over the last 40
> > > > > years.
>
> > > > Most all of which being of public loot, I suspect.
>
> > > > Would you care to share a copy of your various nondisclosure policies
> > > > that you and others had to sign in your own blood?
>
> > > >  ~ BG
>
> > > I had a top secret clearance and DID NOT sign a non-disclosure policy> > > And you are suggesting that only .1% of the folks would have known the
> > > lunar landings were fake?? You are totally clueless. Nobody can be
> > > that dumb; you are either a troll having fun stirring people up or you
> > > have a serious mental problem.
>
> > > Top management of the manned lunar program during the mid-60ties were
> > > virtually all outside private industry top managers from companies
> > > such as IBM and Raytheon, not "government civil servants worried about
> > > pensions". I know; I helped recruit them and devise ways to short-
> > > circuit the burdensome civil service hiring procedures.
>
> > > Do the names Brainard Holmes, Jim Turnock, Mike Yarymovich, etc, etc
> > > mean anything to you.  Geez!
>
> > No they do not.  Were they another part of DARPA?
>
> > btw,  I didn't realize that so much of our moon had such a relatively
> > smooth/clean surface albedo of greater than 0.65, whereas in many of
> > those Apollo Kodak moments our Selene/moon surface looks as though its
> > albedo was worth nearly 0.75, and xenon arc lamp spectrum illuminated
> > at that.
>
> > Too bad our physically dark as coal Selene/moon is otherwise so gamma
> > saturated, as having been gamma bandpass imaged from our side of the
> > magnetosphere.
>
> >  ~ BG
>
> No, not  DARPA. They were the top moon flight managers at NASA's OMSF
> in the planning stages in the 60ties. Google them, you will learn
> something.
>
> Holmes came from Raytheon where he had directed the BMEWS project
> ( the largest single technical project since Manhatten ), Turner from
> IBM ( head of the Federal Systems Division ) and Yarymovich from DOD
> ( the Air Force had a manned space flight program then ). Dr.
> Yarymovich was a "boy wonder" in his late 20ties who is still active
> in aerospace. NASA's OMSF was full of military officers on TDY in the
> 60ties.

Thanks much for that constructive and otherwise informative feedback.

Now, how about that pesky moon albedo consideration, knowing that our
spendy and intentionally made reflective Apollo moonsuits were of at
least a 0.8 to 0.9 albedo as the given DR(dynamic range) point of
reference (say 0.85), and don't forget each of those camera lens with
their polarized optical element that by rights should have made those
otherwise unfiltered Kodak moments of that lunar surface record as
though darker, rather than lighter, and especially the case of their
supposedly having that single spot source of illumination with loads
of raw solar UV energy to deal with.

What the hell went so off-world wrong with the physics of Kodak film,
especially since there supposedly wasn't hardly any local, cosmic or
nasty solar radiation factors to deal with?

  ~ Brad Guth Brad_Guth Brad.Guth BradGuth BG