Something wrong with the ice cores?

The question arises after studying this site – CO2 has only risen by
5.2% in the last 200 years.:-

http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2/bayreuth/bayreuth1e.htm

Ice core samples show a nice steady line like they have been smoothed.
Here is a paper dealing with the subject:-

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/lawdome.html

The problem I have with this, is that Antarctica is a desert. It has
an average annual precipitation (snowfall is recalculated at its
“water equivalent”) is only about 2 inches per year. Snow gets blown
around in high winds giving the impression of snow fall. Cold air
cannot hold much water. If you wanted a device to rid the ice of CO2
Antarctica could be a good place to start a study.

Nelson

Wasn't it Nelson who wrote:
>Something wrong with the ice cores?
>
>The question arises after studying this site – CO2 has only risen by
>5.2% in the last 200 years.:-
>
>http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2/bayreuth/bayreuth1e.htm
>
>Ice core samples show a nice steady line like they have been smoothed.
>Here is a paper dealing with the subject:-
>
>http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/lawdome.html
>
>The problem I have with this, is that Antarctica is a desert. It has
>an average annual precipitation (snowfall is recalculated at its
>“water equivalent”) is only about 2 inches per year. Snow gets blown
>around in high winds giving the impression of snow fall. Cold air
>cannot hold much water. If you wanted a device to rid the ice of CO2
>Antarctica could be a good place to start a study.

The fact that the top layers of snow get blown about isn't a problem, 
because the CO2 doesn't come from the snow itself, but from the air as 
it gets captured deep in the snow layer. As mentioned in the paper, it 
takes several years for a particular piece of snow to reach a depth 
where it becomes sufficiently compressed that the air can no longer 
diffuse in and out. At one of the sites studied in the paper, the 
sealing depth is 72 metres and the age of the cores at that depth is 40 
years, so the ice must be accumulating at 1.8 metres per year, rather 
than 2 inches per year.

The smoothing comes about because it takes years for air to diffuse down 
through 72 metres of compacted snow, and, I guess that not all nearby 
air pockets get sealed at exactly the same time. So the trapped air is a 
mixture of air from several years.

-- 
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure

On Aug 3, 6:45 am, Mike Williams  wrote:
> Wasn't it Nelson who wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >Something wrong with the ice cores?
>
> >The question arises after studying this site – CO2 has only risen by
> >5.2% in the last 200 years.:-
>
> >http://www.biokurs.de/treibhaus/180CO2/bayreuth/bayreuth1e.htm
>
> >Ice core samples show a nice steady line like they have been smoothed.
> >Here is a paper dealing with the subject:-
>
> >http://cdiac.ornl.gov/trends/co2/lawdome.html
>
> >The problem I have with this, is that Antarctica is a desert. It has
> >an average annual precipitation (snowfall is recalculated at its
> >“water equivalent”) is only about 2 inches per year. Snow gets blown
> >around in high winds giving the impression of snow fall. Cold air
> >cannot hold much water. If you wanted a device to rid the ice of CO2
> >Antarctica could be a good place to start a study.
>
> The fact that the top layers of snow get blown about isn't a problem,
> because the CO2 doesn't come from the snow itself, but from the air as
> it gets captured deep in the snow layer. As mentioned in the paper, it
> takes several years for a particular piece of snow to reach a depth
> where it becomes sufficiently compressed that the air can no longer
> diffuse in and out. At one of the sites studied in the paper, the
> sealing depth is 72 metres and the age of the cores at that depth is 40
> years, so the ice must be accumulating at 1.8 metres per year, rather
> than 2 inches per year.
>
> The smoothing comes about because it takes years for air to diffuse down
> through 72 metres of compacted snow, and, I guess that not all nearby
> air pockets get sealed at exactly the same time. So the trapped air is a
> mixture of air from several years.
>
> --
> Mike Williams
> Gentleman of Leisure- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It occurs to me that this area being so cold, so dry and windy, that
is able to collect 1.8 metres of ice per year is not actually getting
a true sample.

Settling there is a mixture in the main of water, carbon dioxide and
carbonic acid along with other compounds distilling out.

It is a distillation freezing zone, the composition of which does not
necessarily reflect the makeup of the original material.

The O2 and N2 dissolved in the original snow could come out of
solution as the ice lattice forms and appear to be trapped air.