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date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:05 +0100,    group: uk.sci.astronomy        back       
That thread about the Earth stopping spinning got me thinking:   
Could the Earth become tidally locked with the Sun (hypothetically; say 
the Sun has increased in size to allow it), or would the presence of the 
Moon prevent it from happening?

-- 
Abo
date: Thu, 15 May 2008 17:32:05 +0100   author:   Abo ks

Re: That thread about the Earth stopping spinning got me thinking:   
Abo wrote:
> Could the Earth become tidally locked with the Sun (hypothetically; say 
> the Sun has increased in size to allow it), or would the presence of the 
> Moon prevent it from happening?

The presence of /any/ other body exerting significant gravitational 
influence would be likely to break the tidal lock.
date: Thu, 15 May 2008 18:58:02 +0100   author:   Mark McIntyre

Re: That thread about the Earth stopping spinning got me thinking:   
On May 15, 7:58 pm, Mark McIntyre  wrote:
> Abo wrote:
> > Could the Earth become tidally locked with the Sun (hypothetically; say
> > the Sun has increased in size to allow it), or would the presence of the> > Moon prevent it from happening?
>
> The presence of /any/ other body exerting significant gravitational
> influence would be likely to break the tidal lock.

Copernicus reasoned that the seasons were due to variable axial/
equatorial inclination however that view has to be modified -

 "..the equator and the earth's axis must be understood to have a
variable inclination. For if they stayed at a constant angle, and were
affected exclusively by the motion of the center, no inequality of
days  and nights would be observed."
Copernicus Chapter 11 De Revolutionibus

However tricky it may be,the seasonal  inequality of daylight and
darkness emerges from an orbital component and likewise the variations
in the natural noon cycle.It is a 100 % certainty that a modification
is required to the reasoning of the great Copernicus for in order for
the Earth to keeps it rotational orientation pointed in the same
direction,its orbital orientation must change to the central Sun as
that change is strictly an orbital component -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9WkQkUHZ4

http://physics.uoregon.edu/~jimbrau/BrauImNew/Chap13/FG13_06.jpg

In the animation,the crank pin represents the rotational orientation
of the Earth pointing to the same external point,but as the crank
turns around the central shaft,representing orbital motion,the crank
pin turns 360 degrees to the central shaft determining that a location
changes its orientation and takes an entire orbit to do it.

This is extremely  important and I strongly suggest you either treat
it as such or withdraw
date: Thu, 15 May 2008 11:19:32 -0700 (PDT)   author:   oriel36

Re: That thread about the Earth stopping spinning got me thinking:   
"Abo" <no@spam.thanks> wrote in message 
news:g0hoia$nf$1@news.albasani.net...
> Could the Earth become tidally locked with the Sun (hypothetically; say 
> the Sun has increased in size to allow it), or would the presence of the 
> Moon prevent it from happening?
>
> -- 
> Abo

As long as the Earth has a Moon, Earth's rotation will not synchronise with 
the orbit around the Sun.  Earth could eventually synchronise with the Moon, 
but this state takes so long to occur (c. 50 Gyr) that the Sun will run 
through its entire remaining life cycle first (5 Gyr).  It would be a very 
dim white dwarf when that happens.

Anyways, these are the calculated predictions that have been published as 
best I recall.

-- 
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)
date: Thu, 15 May 2008 22:21:59 +0100   author:   Mike Dworetsky

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