Hi:

The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the 
other half would be day without change.

However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would 
it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.

Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is 
the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM 
standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the 
Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and 
winter for the northern hemisphere.

What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in 
Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.


Thanks,

Radium

Wasn't it Green Xenon [Radium] who wrote:
>Hi:
>
>The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and 
>the other half would be day without change.
>
>However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how 
>would it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
>Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is 
>the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM 
>standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the 
>Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere 
>and winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
>What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in 
>Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.

In order to stop the seasons, you need to stop the Earth from orbiting 
the Sun as well as stopping it spinning. But if you do that, there's 
nothing to stop the Earth from falling into the Sun.

-- 
Mike Williams
Gentleman of Leisure

On May 14, 11:08 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> other half would be day without change.
>
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium


Your balls would drop.

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the 
> other half would be day without change.
> 
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would 
> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
> 
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is 
> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM 
> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the 
> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and 
> winter for the northern hemisphere.
> 
> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in 
> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Radium

Um, you'd have to do your take home final yourself?

On May 14, 3:08 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> other half would be day without change.
>
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium

The seasons would occur as usual even without axial rotation -axial
rotation generates  daylight and darkness and changing orbital
orientation to the central Sun generates seasonal daylight/darkness
variations,

Standing on the Earth's  polar axis is equivalent to a non rotating
Earth,it stands to reasons that seasonal daylight/darkness variations
are at the extremes while the effect becomes less variable towards the
Equator (where no seasonal variations are seen).

Through this reasoning,there is a much better way to explain the
seasons but alas,geodynamics is in a poor state at the moment and
replacing the pseudo-dynamic of variable axial inclination with a new
orbital component which causes the daylight/darkness variations may
take a while.

Hope this helps.

oriel36 wrote:
> On May 14, 3:08 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
> wrote:
>> Hi:
>>
>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
>> other half would be day without change.
>>
>> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
>> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>>
>> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
>> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
>> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
>> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
>> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>>
>> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
>> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Radium
> 
> The seasons would occur as usual even without axial rotation -axial
> rotation generates  daylight and darkness and changing orbital
> orientation to the central Sun generates seasonal daylight/darkness
> variations,
> 
> Standing on the Earth's  polar axis is equivalent to a non rotating
> Earth,it stands to reasons that seasonal daylight/darkness variations
> are at the extremes while the effect becomes less variable towards the
> Equator (where no seasonal variations are seen).
> 
> Through this reasoning,there is a much better way to explain the
> seasons but alas,geodynamics is in a poor state at the moment and
> replacing the pseudo-dynamic of variable axial inclination with a new
> orbital component which causes the daylight/darkness variations may
> take a while.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 


At the poles as well as the equator, the season is pretty much constant. 
  The former being extremely cold while the latter being extremely hot.

Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the other 
side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?

"Green Xenon [Radium]"  wrote in message 
news:482a3b9d$0$20191$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> Hi:
>
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the 
> other half would be day without change.
>
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would 
> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is the 
> time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM standard-time in 
> Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the Earth's movement stops 
> when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and winter for the northern 
> hemisphere.
>
> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in Australia 
> and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium

The Earth would have to rotate on its axis once a year in order for one side 
to always be facing the Sun.

The night side would get very, very cold, maybe not cold enough to freeze 
nitrogen, but perhaps cold enough to freeze CO2.  A huge ice cap would cover 
North America much like the Antarctic cap.  The day side would get very hot. 
Equilibrium temperatures in places like China and Australia could be as high 
as 60-70 C.  It would probably only be possible for life to flourish in the 
"twilight zone".

The atmosphere would be able to redistribute heat around the globe to some 
extent; there would be drastic changes in the sort of weather we have now, 
where the patterns and flow are largely driven by Earth's rotation (Hadley 
Cells, coriolis effects) and powered by heating effects of the sun.

-- 
Mike Dworetsky

(Remove pants sp*mbl*ck to reply)

On Tue, 13 May 2008 18:08:46 -0700, Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the 
> other half would be day without change.

In this description the earth still rotates once per year
if the earth did stop spinning, the length of the day would be
the same as the length of the year. However, I don't beleive
that would be a stable condition.

-- 
. Pete Lynch          I have learned from my mistakes and
. Marlow          ... I am sure I can repeat them exactly
. www.pete-lynch.com               --- Peter Cooke.

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning 

The transfer of angular momentum to all the loose objects (people, 
trees, soil, oceans etc) would fling it all off at high velocity, 
removing the entire ecosystem in one fell swoop. The air, if any was 
left after all that stuff had hurtled through it, would continue to 
rotate at around 1000 mph (near the equator) for some hours, scouring 
off anything remaining on the surface.

As for night/day, winter/summer, this isn't dependent solely on the 
earth's rotation - the earth's orbit around the sun is a factor in both, 
and the main factor in the seasons.

If you're unsure about the day/night point, hold a football at arms 
length with the logo pointing towards a distant tree. Now, with the 
front logo pointing to that tree, move the football to your left. Notice 
that you're now looking at a difference side of the ball. You're the 
sun, so the side nearest to you gets the sun.

> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the other side 
> day if the earth's completely stopped moving?

Not based on the stupid scenario that YOU have set!  Based on the planet 
having "...completely stopped moving", it would have a "day-length" 
equivalent to the length of it's year, with a "night" roughly 6 months long 
and a day 6 months long.

The Moon is "tide-locked" Moron, meaning that its rotational period (it has 
one!) and it's revolutional period are identical, causing one side to always 
face the center of it's orbit (toward Earth).

John

Well .... if you ever dreaming of going to space .... it's the perfect
time to do so.


On May 13, 6:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> other half would be day without change.
>
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium

In uk.sci.astronomy John Kepler  wrote:
>> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the other side 
>> day if the earth's completely stopped moving?

> Not based on the stupid scenario that YOU have set!  Based on the planet 
> having "...completely stopped moving", it would have a "day-length" 
> equivalent to the length of it's year, with a "night" roughly 6 months long 
> and a day 6 months long.

Technically no. If the planet completely stopped moving, then assuming
the Moon didn't immediately hit it, we could say goodbye to the Sun,
Moon and other solar system planets in pretty short order. It'd be night
everywhere in pretty short order and too cold for life a bit after that.

The issue is that the solar system is orbiting the galactic centre. If
the Earth stopped, the solar system would continue on without us.

Lather, rinse, repeat for movement of the galaxy, though it'd take a
while before we were outside the Milky Way, and I doubt anyone would be
a live to see it.

FoFP

-- 
Perhaps one day he will be considered a free thinker with radical views
and deep insight. However today he is seen more as "not all there"
       -- Comment in the Evening News

In article <g0egud$hi2$1@scotsman.ed.ac.uk>,
M Holmes   wrote:

>The issue is that the solar system is orbiting the galactic centre. If
>the Earth stopped, the solar system would continue on without us.

There is no "stopped".  Though if it were stopped in any inertial
frame, it would not be orbiting the galaxy.

-- Richard
-- 
:wq

Mike Dworetsky wrote:
> "Green Xenon [Radium]"  wrote in message 
> news:482a3b9d$0$20191$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> Hi:
>>
>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and 
>> the other half would be day without change.
>>
>> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how 
>> would it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>>
>> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is 
>> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM 
>> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the 
>> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere 
>> and winter for the northern hemisphere.
>>
>> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in 
>> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
> 
> The Earth would have to rotate on its axis once a year in order for one 
> side to always be facing the Sun.

And even then the orbital eccentricity though small would allow some 
minor seasonal variation at the edge of the terminator.

Depending on whether or not the Earth is not rotating wrt the fixed 
stars you will either see the same stars in the same places every night, 
or an annual change as the Earth moves along its orbit with one side 
always facing the sun if it is not rotating relative to the mean solar 
position (Mercury is tidally locked to the sun in a 3:2 resonace).

The moon would still orbit the Earth once a month or so and tidal drag 
would slowly spin up the Earth and very gradually slow the apparent 
motion of the moon. If the same side of the Earth is always facing the 
sun then tides would be entirely due to the moon with much less 
amplitude and less monthly variation.
> 
> The night side would get very, very cold, maybe not cold enough to 
> freeze nitrogen, but perhaps cold enough to freeze CO2.  A huge ice cap 
> would cover North America much like the Antarctic cap.  The day side 
> would get very hot. Equilibrium temperatures in places like China and 
> Australia could be as high as 60-70 C.  It would probably only be 
> possible for life to flourish in the "twilight zone".

Antarctic winters in 6 months get down to well below -70C so after a 
year or so there is a good chance the cold side will be -80C and solid 
CO2 will freeze.
> 
> The atmosphere would be able to redistribute heat around the globe to 
> some extent; there would be drastic changes in the sort of weather we 
> have now, where the patterns and flow are largely driven by Earth's 
> rotation (Hadley Cells, coriolis effects) and powered by heating effects 
> of the sun.

Weather would be pretty odd without any rotation. I expect the 
terminator would bear the brunt of storms transferring energy and water 
from the hot to the cold side of the planet. After a while I suspect all 
the precipitable water and most of the CO2 would be stuck on the cold side.

Regards,
Martin Brown
** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

In article <slrng2l6rs.j7h.pete@freyr.local>,
 Peter Lynch <pete@freyr.local> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 May 2008 18:08:46 -0700, Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the 
> > other half would be day without change.
> 
> In this description the earth still rotates once per year
> if the earth did stop spinning, the length of the day would be
> the same as the length of the year. However, I don't beleive
> that would be a stable condition.

Isn't Mercury in that condition?

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
>> On May 14, 3:08 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
>>> other half would be day without change.
>>>
>>> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
>>> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>>>
>>> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
>>> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
>>> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
>>> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
>>> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>>>
>>> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
>>> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Radium
>>
>> The seasons would occur as usual even without axial rotation -axial
>> rotation generates  daylight and darkness and changing orbital
>> orientation to the central Sun generates seasonal daylight/darkness
>> variations,
>>
>> Standing on the Earth's  polar axis is equivalent to a non rotating
>> Earth,it stands to reasons that seasonal daylight/darkness variations
>> are at the extremes while the effect becomes less variable towards the
>> Equator (where no seasonal variations are seen).
>>
>> Through this reasoning,there is a much better way to explain the
>> seasons but alas,geodynamics is in a poor state at the moment and
>> replacing the pseudo-dynamic of variable axial inclination with a new
>> orbital component which causes the daylight/darkness variations may
>> take a while.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> At the poles as well as the equator, the season is pretty much constant. 
>  The former being extremely cold while the latter being extremely hot.
> 
> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the other 
> side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?

If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light and 
dark; you'd have a year-long day.

-- 
Abo

Matthew Lybanon wrote:
> In article <slrng2l6rs.j7h.pete@freyr.local>,
>  Peter Lynch <pete@freyr.local> wrote:
> 
>> On Tue, 13 May 2008 18:08:46 -0700, Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the 
>>> other half would be day without change.
>> In this description the earth still rotates once per year
>> if the earth did stop spinning, the length of the day would be
>> the same as the length of the year. However, I don't beleive
>> that would be a stable condition.
> 
> Isn't Mercury in that condition?

No, its gravitationally locked to the sun but has still rotates, and its 
rotational and orbital periods are not equal (ratio of 3:2 I believe).

On May 14, 6:28 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On May 14, 3:08 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
> > wrote:
> >> Hi:
>
> >> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> >> other half would be day without change.
>
> >> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
> >> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> >> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
> >> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
> >> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
> >> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
> >> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
> >> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
> >> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
> >> Thanks,
>
> >> Radium
>
> > The seasons would occur as usual even without axial rotation -axial
> > rotation generates  daylight and darkness and changing orbital
> > orientation to the central Sun generates seasonal daylight/darkness
> > variations,
>
> > Standing on the Earth's  polar axis is equivalent to a non rotating
> > Earth,it stands to reasons that seasonal daylight/darkness variations
> > are at the extremes while the effect becomes less variable towards the
> > Equator (where no seasonal variations are seen).
>
> > Through this reasoning,there is a much better way to explain the
> > seasons but alas,geodynamics is in a poor state at the moment and
> > replacing the pseudo-dynamic of variable axial inclination with a new
> > orbital component which causes the daylight/darkness variations may
> > take a while.
>
> > Hope this helps.
>
> At the poles as well as the equator, the season is pretty much constant.
>   The former being extremely cold while the latter being extremely hot.
>

A person standing on the North and South pole is physically not
axially rotating therefore your interesting question is not
hypothetical but an actual condition.With this discovery,you can work
through the reasoning where a person at the polar axis experiences
variations in daylight/darkness throughout the year while not axially
rotating.

It is possible to work with variations in daylight/darkness as they
represent the closest gauge to what the Earth is axially and orbitally
doing without having to deal with local climate conditions such as
heat and cold variations.From this standpoint ,the extreme seasonal
variations in daylight/darkness at the polar axis has to come from
somewhere and that is when you look at what orbitally occurs as the
Earth orbits the Sun.


> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the other
> side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No,that is what is so fascinating,a location will orbitally turn
through 360 degrees with respect to the central Sun thereby creating
variations in daylight/darkness .Again,day and night is due to axial
rotation but variations in daylight and darkness is due to an orbital
component.Use the unique and extreme rotation of Uranus to see what
happens as a location orbits the central Sun over the course of a
year.as the rotational orientation keeps point to the same point in
the sky but orbitally changes through 360 degrees  with respect to the
central Sun like a crank pin keeps point to the same external point
but changes to the central shaft -

http://physics.uoregon.edu/~jimbrau/BrauImNew/Chap13/FG13_06.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YV9WkQkUHZ4

Just take your time,rember that there is a point on the Earth surface
that does not rotate yet experiences extreme seasonal variations in
daylight/darkness and remind everyone else here of the same fact.

This is quite new and you will not find a similar explanation,which
means that you will have to discover most of it yourself.Good question
btw.

On May 14, 5:44 pm, Abo <n...@spam.thanks> wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> > oriel36 wrote:
> >> On May 14, 3:08 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi:
>
> >>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> >>> other half would be day without change.
>
> >>> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
> >>> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> >>> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
> >>> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
> >>> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
> >>> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
> >>> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
> >>> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
> >>> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
> >>> Thanks,
>
> >>> Radium
>
> >> The seasons would occur as usual even without axial rotation -axial
> >> rotation generates  daylight and darkness and changing orbital
> >> orientation to the central Sun generates seasonal daylight/darkness
> >> variations,
>
> >> Standing on the Earth's  polar axis is equivalent to a non rotating
> >> Earth,it stands to reasons that seasonal daylight/darkness variations
> >> are at the extremes while the effect becomes less variable towards the
> >> Equator (where no seasonal variations are seen).
>
> >> Through this reasoning,there is a much better way to explain the
> >> seasons but alas,geodynamics is in a poor state at the moment and
> >> replacing the pseudo-dynamic of variable axial inclination with a new
> >> orbital component which causes the daylight/darkness variations may
> >> take a while.
>
> >> Hope this helps.
>
> > At the poles as well as the equator, the season is pretty much constant.> >  The former being extremely cold while the latter being extremely hot.> > Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the other
> > side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?
>
> If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light and
> dark; you'd have a year-long day.
>
> --
> Abo- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Good !

If the Earth stopped rotating you would lose your  'axial tilt'
explanation  for seasonal variations in daylight/darkness which occur
anyway  regardless of  axial rotation and orientation.The seasonal
change arises from orbital motion along with the global variations in
the natural noon cycle when allied with axial rotation and using
natural noon as a benchmark.

Very rare that a large modification such as replacing variable axial
inclination with a new orbital component is allowed to drift as this
insight has,but it is done nonetheless and there for any person who
wishes to reason through the details.No person who truly grasps it
would dare pretend that the insight is not  a huge departure from
previous' variable axial tilt'  explanations or try to assimilate the
insight without regard for the  enormous and sometimes painful effort
put in.

In article ,
Matthew Lybanon   wrote:

>> In this description the earth still rotates once per year
>> if the earth did stop spinning, the length of the day would be
>> the same as the length of the year. However, I don't beleive
>> that would be a stable condition.

>Isn't Mercury in that condition?

It used to be believed that it was tidally locked in an 88-day orbit
so that one side always faced the sun, but this was discovered to be
false in the 1960s.  Larry Niven among others write a science fiction
story with this premise.

-- Richard
-- 
:wq

Abo wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> oriel36 wrote:
>>> On May 14, 3:08 am, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
>>> wrote:
>>>> Hi:
>>>>
>>>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and 
>>>> the
>>>> other half would be day without change.
>>>>
>>>> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how 
>>>> would
>>>> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>>>>
>>>> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
>>>> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
>>>> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
>>>> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere 
>>>> and
>>>> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>>>>
>>>> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
>>>> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Radium
>>>
>>> The seasons would occur as usual even without axial rotation -axial
>>> rotation generates  daylight and darkness and changing orbital
>>> orientation to the central Sun generates seasonal daylight/darkness
>>> variations,
>>>
>>> Standing on the Earth's  polar axis is equivalent to a non rotating
>>> Earth,it stands to reasons that seasonal daylight/darkness variations
>>> are at the extremes while the effect becomes less variable towards the
>>> Equator (where no seasonal variations are seen).
>>>
>>> Through this reasoning,there is a much better way to explain the
>>> seasons but alas,geodynamics is in a poor state at the moment and
>>> replacing the pseudo-dynamic of variable axial inclination with a new
>>> orbital component which causes the daylight/darkness variations may
>>> take a while.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> At the poles as well as the equator, the season is pretty much 
>> constant.  The former being extremely cold while the latter being 
>> extremely hot.
>>
>> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the other 
>> side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?
> 
> If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light and 
> dark; you'd have a year-long day.
> 


Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped 
rotating? Why would it be a year long?

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> 
> Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped 
> rotating? Why would it be a year long?

You still haven't defined what you mean by "stopped rotating".
Relative to what?


-- 
Mark McIntyre

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Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> Abo wrote:
>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>>
>>> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the other 
>>> side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?
>>
>> If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light 
>> and dark; you'd have a year-long day.
>>
> 
> 
> Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped 
> rotating? Why would it be a year long?

Sloppy question.
Which inertial frame 'Earth stopped moving'?

1.  Solar:  Earth swings around sun, facing it.
             Light  & dark sides.

2.  Galactic:  Earth swings around sun, facing center of galaxy. 

                Year-long day.

3.  Extra-galactic: Earth stops while sun goes around galaxy.
                     Very dark.

4. Other ?

Jim Lillie

JimLillie wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>> Abo wrote:
>>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the 
>>>> other side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?
>>>
>>> If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light 
>>> and dark; you'd have a year-long day.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped 
>> rotating? Why would it be a year long?
> 
> Sloppy question.
> Which inertial frame 'Earth stopped moving'?
> 
> 1.  Solar:  Earth swings around sun, facing it.
>             Light  & dark sides.
> 
> 2.  Galactic:  Earth swings around sun, facing center of galaxy.
>                Year-long day.
> 
> 3.  Extra-galactic: Earth stops while sun goes around galaxy.
>                     Very dark.
> 
> 4. Other ?
> 
> Jim Lillie


Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?

I just love it!!

A kook responding to a troll... a well known one at that!!

Brian
-- 
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On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> other half would be day without change.

You're wrong already.

Quit while you're not ahead.

Stuart

>What would happen if the earth stopped spinning?

Permanently very cold in shadow area and very hot on other side.
Everyone and virtually everything would live along a thin circular
zone where the sun would be permanently on the horizon. Only a small
portion of the earth would be inhabitable. There would be only two
directions to travel, east or west.

On 14 mai, 03:08, "Green Xenon [Radium]"  wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> other half would be day without change.
>
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
> winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Radium

... underlying your question is the one concerning the cause of both
Earth rotation & revolution
... and in fact none has answer to that question except the one
peddled forth by the Academic Cretins i.e. inertia resulting from some
alleged "Gros Boum" idiocy some Zillions yearz ago !
Okay ?

I am tellling your here now,  that if the Earth stopped rotating the
whole system would do likewise,  and it would mean that Sun which is
the driving force in accordance to the True Geology,  would have
stopped rotating as well
( non-obstant the certitudes processed from of the conditionned mind
of poor John Kepler, a faithful of Glaciations, Continental Rafting
etc   )

Any other stupid question ?

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud
Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre Mines in the Great Sandy Desert
Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant
Bus ph + 33 6 50 17 14 64
Founder of the True Geology

~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~


for background info.
http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html
http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/nac.html
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm

In article <482a3b9d$0$20191$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "Green Xenon [Radium]"  wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the 
> other half would be day without change.
> 
> However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would 
> it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
> 
> Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is 
> the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM 
> standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. 

You mean if the Earth's rotation were to slow to the point that one 
hemisphere always faced the sun. 

> Let's also assume that the 
> Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and 
> winter for the northern hemisphere.

This part is meaningless because summer and winter are defined by the 
relation of earth's rotation axis to its orbital axis. Unless you're 
asking that the axis of the earth's rotation changes so that it's at the 
arctic circle at approximately the -2h GMT time zine. (I may be off on 
the longitude; that was just a mental calculation without pencil and an 
envelope). 

> What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in 
> Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.

Well, depending on how quickly this change occurred, it could wreck the 
ecosystem.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

In article 
,
 oriel36  wrote:

> Through this reasoning,there is a much better way to explain the
> seasons but alas,geodynamics is in a poor state at the moment and
> replacing the pseudo-dynamic of variable axial inclination with a new
> orbital component which causes the daylight/darkness variations may
> take a while.
> 
> Hope this helps.

Oh, it's you! I was expecting you to show up at this party. 

Now you're calling axial inclination a pseudo-variable? That's good. 
Have you done *any* astronomical measurements of your own?

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

In article 
,
 oriel36  wrote:

> A person standing on the North and South pole is physically not
> axially rotating 

Hah! That's the most idiotic thing you've ever said! 

Do you think that if someone were to set up a time-lapse camera at  the 
south pole, above that chrome hemisphere, say on the summer solstice, 
that the sun would stand still in one place? 

I recall seeing a movie where someone did exactly that. The sun quite 
plainly moves all around the sky, much as one would expect... 


> therefore your interesting question is not
> hypothetical but an actual condition.With this discovery,you can work
> through the reasoning where a person at the polar axis experiences
> variations in daylight/darkness throughout the year while not axially
> rotating.

That's either more idiotic, or less. I'm not quite sure.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

In article <482b6917$0$30497$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "Green Xenon [Radium]"  wrote:

> > If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light and 
> > dark; you'd have a year-long day.
> > 
> 
> 
> Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped 
> rotating? Why would it be a year long?

Brain? Brain? What is brain?! 

You need to work this out yourself with a ball and a lamp. Put the lamp 
on a table in the middle of the room; remove the lampshade. Hold the 
ball in your hand and walk in a circle around the lamp. Watch what the 
shadow does. 

(Under no circumstances do this counterclockwise! Your neighbors will 
think you're doing witchcraft.)

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

In article <482b926d$0$20166$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
 "Green Xenon [Radium]"  wrote:

> JimLillie wrote:
> > Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> >> Abo wrote:
> >>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the 
> >>>> other side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?
> >>>
> >>> If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light 
> >>> and dark; you'd have a year-long day.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped 
> >> rotating? Why would it be a year long?
> > 
> > Sloppy question.
> > Which inertial frame 'Earth stopped moving'?
> > 
> > 1.  Solar:  Earth swings around sun, facing it.
> >             Light  & dark sides.
> > 
> > 2.  Galactic:  Earth swings around sun, facing center of galaxy.
> >                Year-long day.
> > 
> > 3.  Extra-galactic: Earth stops while sun goes around galaxy.
> >                     Very dark.
> > 
> > 4. Other ?
> > 
> > Jim Lillie
> 
> 
> Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?

In the third episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation, young Wesley 
Crusher fell over a barrier into some flowers. Those flowers were in an 
Enforcement Zone that day, so Wesley was sentenced to a quick and 
painless death. There's a lot to be said for that sort of thing.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

In article 
,
 oriel36  wrote:

> If the Earth stopped rotating you would lose your  'axial tilt'
> explanation  for seasonal variations in daylight/darkness which occur
> anyway  regardless of  axial rotation and orientation.The seasonal
> change arises from orbital motion along with the global variations in
> the natural noon cycle when allied with axial rotation and using
> natural noon as a benchmark.

You are, of course, free to make some diagrams that illustrate what 
you're saying. 

> Very rare that a large modification such as replacing variable axial
> inclination with a new orbital component is allowed to drift as this
> insight has,but it is done nonetheless and there for any person who
> wishes to reason through the details.No person who truly grasps it
> would dare pretend that the insight is not  a huge departure from
> previous' variable axial tilt'  explanations or try to assimilate the
> insight without regard for the  enormous and sometimes painful effort
> put in.

So in other words, you're poisoning the conversation by saying ahead of 
time that anyone who disagrees with you is stupid. That's okay. You're 
free to present convincing diagrams and measurements that back up your 
preposterous claims.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>  
> 
> Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?

The same face of the earth to point towards the sun at all times.
ie the earth's rotational and orbital periods to be identical.

I suspect that to achieve /that/ the earth would have to a ) be moonless 
and b) a lot closer to the sun. The gravity of other bodies in the solar 
system has a nonzero effect on the earth and would break any tidal lock.

Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
> JimLillie wrote:
>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>> Abo wrote:
>>>> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, wouldn't the one side of the world remain night while the 
>>>>> other side day if the earth's completely stopped moving?
>>>>
>>>> If the Earth stopped rotating then you'd still have a cycle of light 
>>>> and dark; you'd have a year-long day.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would there still be a dark/light cycle if the earth stopped 
>>> rotating? Why would it be a year long?
>>
>> Sloppy question.
>> Which inertial frame 'Earth stopped moving'?
>>
>> 1.  Solar:  Earth swings around sun, facing it.
>>             Light  & dark sides.
>>
>> 2.  Galactic:  Earth swings around sun, facing center of galaxy.
>>                Year-long day.
>>
>> 3.  Extra-galactic: Earth stops while sun goes around galaxy.
>>                     Very dark.
>>
>> 4. Other ?
>>
>> Jim Lillie
> 
> 
> Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?

1:1 tidal lock between the Earth and the Sun

-- 
Abo

Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into
Earth, that the rotation of Earth
has gravity weakening effects. One of those Hollywood moments where
things stall, and
then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.

According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity,
more noticable in spiral
galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.

gb wrote: on, 15/05/2008 16:47:
> Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into
> Earth, that the rotation of Earth
> has gravity weakening effects. One of those Hollywood moments where
> things stall, and
> then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
> 
> According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity,
> more noticable in spiral
> galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.


Piss off

In article 
,
 sir.jpturcaud@neuf.fr wrote:

> ... underlying your question is the one concerning the cause of both
> Earth rotation & revolution

Hm. I didn't know that he earth rotated *and* revolved. Care to explain?

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

In article 
,
 gb  wrote:

> Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into
> Earth, that the rotation of Earth
> has gravity weakening effects.

What??? That makes only a little bit of sense. To do calculations of the 
moon's orbit, all you need is the earth's mass, the moon's mass, the 
distance between them, and some specifics about eccentricity, orbital 
inclination, etc. You don't care about the Earth's rotation. 

Yes, the Earth's gravity as measured at the surface is a little lower at 
the equator than at the poles, but you can't measure that difference in 
orbit. 

But you've contradicted yourself. You say that "that the rotation of 
Earth has gravity weakening effects" yet if the earth's rotation should 
stop, the moon would fall into the earth. 

>  One of those Hollywood moments where
> things stall, and
> then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
> 
> According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity,
> more noticable in spiral
> galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.

According to what theory? 

I strongly suggest you pick up a couple of textbooks on astronomy and 
learn their content before you write such opinions. They make you look 
like someone trying to be mistaken for ignorant.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

On May 14, 11:42 pm, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
> On 14 mai, 03:08, "Green Xenon [Radium]"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Hi:
>
> > The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the> > other half would be day without change.
>
> > However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would> > it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> > Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
> > the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
> > standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
> > Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and> > winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
> > What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
> > Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > Radium

I'm *almost* certain that it would severely
disrupt the flow of mindless trash cross-
posted to sci.newsgroups.

Then again, perhaps not.

> > Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into
> > Earth, that the rotation of Earth
> > has gravity weakening effects. One of those Hollywood moments where
> > things stall, and
> > then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
>
> > According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity,
> > more noticable in spiral
> > galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.
>
> Piss off

Piss in your mouth, take it from another European.

On May 15, 9:22 am, Timberwoof 
wrote:
> In article
> ,
>
>  gb  wrote:
> > Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into
> > Earth, that the rotation of Earth
> > has gravity weakening effects.
>
> What??? That makes only a little bit of sense. To do calculations of the
> moon's orbit, all you need is the earth's mass, the moon's mass, the
> distance between them, and some specifics about eccentricity, orbital
> inclination, etc. You don't care about the Earth's rotation.
>
> Yes, the Earth's gravity as measured at the surface is a little lower at
> the equator than at the poles, but you can't measure that difference in
> orbit.
>
> But you've contradicted yourself. You say that "that the rotation of
> Earth has gravity weakening effects" yet if the earth's rotation should
> stop, the moon would fall into the earth.
>
> >  One of those Hollywood moments where
> > things stall, and
> > then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
>
> > According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity,
> > more noticable in spiral
> > galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.
>
> According to what theory?
>
> I strongly suggest you pick up a couple of textbooks on astronomy and
> learn their content before you write such opinions. They make you look
> like someone trying to be mistaken for ignorant.
>
> --
> Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/BreakPedalEffect. You like suggesting, you
won't learn man.

On May 15, 8:22 am, Mark McIntyre  wrote:
> Green Xenon [Radium] wrote:
>
> > Ok. What would it take for there to be no dark/light cycle?
>
> The same face of the earth to point towards the sun at all times.
> ie the earth's rotational and orbital periods to be identical.
>

A location does not keep the same face to the Sun but changes through
an entire 360 degrees with respect to the central Sun.There are actual
images of the Equatorial rings of Uranus showing this  feature of
orbital motion -

http://asymptotia.com/wp-images/2007/08/uranus_rings.jpg

The  Earth does not have those useful Equatorial rings which
explicitly show that a location changes its orientation through 360
degrees and take an entire orbit to achieve this but it should be
inferred without question  by any intelligent person -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0110/EarthMoon_mariner10_big.jpg



> I suspect that to achieve /that/ the earth would have to a ) be moonless
> and b) a lot closer to the sun. The gravity of other bodies in the solar
> system has a nonzero effect on the earth and would break any tidal lock.

You operate off celestial sphere geometry and a false view where the
Earth keeps the same side to the Sun.In the absence of axial rotation
you would not get a year long day as some have correctly pointed out -

http://www.pfm.howard.edu/astronomy/Chaisson/AT401/IMAGES/AACHCIT0.JPG

I have to remind myself that  men still cannot explain the second
greatest effect after day and night - the variations between daylight
and darkness everywhere except at the Equator.The lack of a central
authority to actually deal with the matter and come to a satisfactory
conclusion is lacking.

A original poster asked a very straightforward question regarding
axial rotation and what occurs if it stopped in terms of daylight and
darkness,it does not require anything other than the Earth's behavior
to the central Sun and should not involve any other factor outside
orbital motion.


Btw,a person axially rotating at the Equator is moving at roughly
1.000 miles per hour and diminishes to 0 miles an hour at the polar
axis hence a person standing on the polar axis is not axially rotating
nor the ground beneath him.That is a fact for everyone.

On May 15, 11:44 am, gb  wrote:
> On May 15, 9:22 am, Timberwoof 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > ,
>
> >  gb  wrote:
> > > Without thinking, it 'feels' to me that the Moon would drop into
> > > Earth, that the rotation of Earth
> > > has gravity weakening effects.
>
> > What??? That makes only a little bit of sense. To do calculations of the> > moon's orbit, all you need is the earth's mass, the moon's mass, the
> > distance between them, and some specifics about eccentricity, orbital
> > inclination, etc. You don't care about the Earth's rotation.
>
> > Yes, the Earth's gravity as measured at the surface is a little lower at> > the equator than at the poles, but you can't measure that difference in
> > orbit.
>
> > But you've contradicted yourself. You say that "that the rotation of
> > Earth has gravity weakening effects" yet if the earth's rotation should
> > stop, the moon would fall into the earth.
>
> > >  One of those Hollywood moments where
> > > things stall, and
> > > then two bodies attract. But things wouldn't stall completely.
>
> > > According to theories it is the contrary. Spinning adds to gravity,
> > > more noticable in spiral
> > > galaxies where this dark matter is 9 times the visible mass.
>
> > According to what theory?
>
> > I strongly suggest you pick up a couple of textbooks on astronomy and
> > learn their content before you write such opinions. They make you look
> > like someone trying to be mistaken for ignorant.
>
> > --
> > Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> > "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> > emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.
>
> www.geocities.com/gmbajszar/BreakPedalEffect. You like suggesting, you
> won't learn man.

Believe subtle, not crazy.

> Hm. I didn't know that he earth rotated *and* revolved. Care to explain?

Illegal argument, what do you think your classroom teacher think of
you,
that you are very smart or racially picking? Common, rotated, revolved
are
both clear logic. You think the Moon revolves around the Earth and the
Earth rotates? Could it be this simple logic?

On May 15, 9:22 am, LloydB  wrote:
> On May 14, 11:42 pm, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 14 mai, 03:08, "Green Xenon [Radium]"  wrote:
>
> > > Hi:
>
> > > The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> > > other half would be day without change.
>
> > > However, what would be the less apparent effects? For example, how would
> > > it affect the ecosystem, the climate, polar ice caps.
>
> > > Lets assume that the Earth stops spinning in a manner such that it is
> > > the time [in terms of sun/earth orientation] always 4:30 AM
> > > standard-time in Stamford, Connecticut. Let's also assume that the
> > > Earth's movement stops when it is summer for the southern hemisphere and
> > > winter for the northern hemisphere.
>
> > > What would be the effects? That it would be always be summer in
> > > Australia and winter in Canada is self-explanatory.
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > Radium
>
> I'm *almost* certain that it would severely
> disrupt the flow of mindless trash cross-
> posted to sci.newsgroups.
>
> Then again, perhaps not.

Eye for eye, like in England with cameras in the streets, all people
are
tarnished to become policemen. But it is highly offending in terms of
human rights to see discrimination. Truth should win in matters of
crimes against humanities that Pier from France aims to ridicule
in terms on non-comprehension and outrage. How I hated cross posts
once, now imperialism.

On May 15, 4:42 pm, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
>
We'd not have to read your ramblings

On 16 mai, 01:41, George  wrote:
> On May 15, 4:42 pm, sir.jpturc...@neuf.fr wrote:
>
> We'd not have to read your ramblings

I thought you were dead ole man ... how is your gout condition?
Worsening ?
Good !

Ramblings ? are you talking about the driving force spinning the Earth
into motion both axially & ecliptically ?
Clueless about that indeed ! ... as the rest Timberwood, Oriel etc
included

By the way have you as yet finished that backyard of yours '
mapping ?
I am waiting for that brown envelope from Cincinnati with all the data
in it ... I just want to know how many Glaaaacierzzz went over it
( your backyard ) through the different Glaaaciationzzz. Surely you
will find some moraines or rest of it ... everyone does all over the
world indeed !

With kindest regards to you Georgi Boi !

Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud


~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~

It's been done. H.G. Wells: The Man Who Could Work Miracles

It also inspired a hilarious Donald Duck cartoon.

Stuart wrote:

> On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
> wrote:
> > Hi:
> >
> > The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> > other half would be day without change.
>
> You're wrong already.
>
> Quit while you're not ahead.
>
> Stuart

(Woo, ..clever...)    So how come a clever guy like you can't work out
the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart?   Like the crust forcing the
mantle down subduction zones?  Cos it's lighter? . (I mean
denser...)  ...And floating.  I mean sinking.

don findlay wrote:
> 
> Stuart wrote:
> 
>> On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi:
>>>
>>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
>>> other half would be day without change.
>> You're wrong already.
>>
>> Quit while you're not ahead.
>>
>> Stuart
> 
> (Woo, ..clever...)    So how come a clever guy like you can't work out
> the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart?   Like the crust forcing the
> mantle down subduction zones?  Cos it's lighter? . (I mean
> denser...)  ...And floating.  I mean sinking.

Quick question - is crude oil denser or less dense than water? Then how 
come it floats?

In article <BUkYj.8922$ym1.943@en-nntp-09.am2.easynews.com>,
 Mark McIntyre  wrote:

> don findlay wrote:
> > 
> > Stuart wrote:
> > 
> >> On May 13, 3:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
> >> wrote:
> >>> Hi:
> >>>
> >>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> >>> other half would be day without change.
> >> You're wrong already.
> >>
> >> Quit while you're not ahead.
> >>
> >> Stuart
> > 
> > (Woo, ..clever...)    So how come a clever guy like you can't work out
> > the nonsenses in Plate Tectonics Stuart?   Like the crust forcing the
> > mantle down subduction zones?  Cos it's lighter? . (I mean
> > denser...)  ...And floating.  I mean sinking.
> 
> Quick question - is crude oil denser or less dense than water? Then how 
> come it floats?

Oh! You gave the answer away!

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

On May 13, 7:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
wrote:

> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> other half would be day without change.

It depends on how you define "stopped spinning".
Technically in most gravitational systems the length of a spin slows
down to a length of a revolution with one day = one year.
Focucault's pendulum would still precess with a one year
cycle indicating there is still spinning going on.

On May 21, 6:53 pm, "rick"  wrote:
> On May 13, 7:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
> wrote:
>
> > The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the> > other half would be day without change.
>
> It depends on how you define "stopped spinning".

Do you know when the wheels on your car stop turning/spinning/
moving.The guy had a good question if you can actually understand the
concept of a spinning Earth.

Do you know when sometimes you are outside you can see the stars and
at other times you can see a bright and shiny ball in the sky ,well
that is caused by a spinning Earth and if it stops spinning you get a
year long day of daylight and darkness.


> Technically in most gravitational systems the length of a spin slows
> down to a length of a revolution with one day = one year.
> Focucault's pendulum would still precess with a one year
> cycle indicating there is still spinning going on.

Foucault's pendulum is based on axial rotation occuring beneath the
swiinging pendulum and at the poles,where the  rotational forces
acting perpendicular to the rate of change is absent,the ground
registers a movement beneath the swinging pendulum of 24 hours 360
degrees,not a second more or a second less -

http://www.phys-astro.sonoma.edu/people/students/baker/SouthPoleFoucault.html

Considering that I have yet to meet an individual who is capable of
recognising rotational geodynamics involved in crustal geodynamics or
people who have an adult  regard for physical considerations in
respect to astronomical,geological or climatological causes and
effects,people will have more regard for your erroneous response and
conclusion than they will for working through the physical effects to
come to a satisfactory conclusion.

Btw,you are not to blame,you are just doing what everyone else is.

oriel36 wrote:
> On May 21, 6:53 pm, "rick++"  wrote:
>> On May 13, 7:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
>>> other half would be day without change.
>> It depends on how you define "stopped spinning".
> 
> Do you know when the wheels on your car stop turning/spinning/
> moving.The guy had a good question if you can actually understand the
> concept of a spinning Earth.
> 
> Do you know when sometimes you are outside you can see the stars and
> at other times you can see a bright and shiny ball in the sky ,well
> that is caused by a spinning Earth and if it stops spinning you get a
> year long day of daylight and darkness.
> 
> 
>> Technically in most gravitational systems the length of a spin slows
>> down to a length of a revolution with one day = one year.
>> Focucault's pendulum would still precess with a one year
>> cycle indicating there is still spinning going on.
> 
> Foucault's pendulum is based on axial rotation occuring beneath the
> swiinging pendulum and at the poles,where the  rotational forces
> acting perpendicular to the rate of change is absent,the ground
> registers a movement beneath the swinging pendulum of 24 hours 360
> degrees,not a second more or a second less -
> 
> http://www.phys-astro.sonoma.edu/people/students/baker/SouthPoleFoucault.html
> 
> Considering that I have yet to meet an individual who is capable of
> recognising rotational geodynamics involved in crustal geodynamics or
> people who have an adult  regard for physical considerations in
> respect to astronomical,geological or climatological causes and
> effects,people will have more regard for your erroneous response and
> conclusion than they will for working through the physical effects to
> come to a satisfactory conclusion.
> 
> Btw,you are not to blame,you are just doing what everyone else 
> 
  that is stone cold OPAICK  word salad.   not even opaque.

josephus
-- 
I go sailing in the summer
and look at stars in the winter,
"Everybody is ignorant but on
different subjects"
    --Will Rogers
Its not what you know
that gets you in trouble
its what you know that ain so.
    --josh billings.

On May 22, 9:34 am, josephus  wrote:
> oriel36 wrote:
> > On May 21, 6:53 pm, "rick"  wrote:
> >> On May 13, 7:08 pm, "Green Xenon [Radium]" 
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> The 1st and obvious answer is that half the world would be night and the
> >>> other half would be day without change.
> >> It depends on how you define "stopped spinning".
>
> > Do you know when the wheels on your car stop turning/spinning/
> > moving.The guy had a good question if you can actually understand the
> > concept of a spinning Earth.
>
> > Do you know when sometimes you are outside you can see the stars and
> > at other times you can see a bright and shiny ball in the sky ,well
> > that is caused by a spinning Earth and if it stops spinning you get a
> > year long day of daylight and darkness.
>
> >> Technically in most gravitational systems the length of a spin slows
> >> down to a length of a revolution with one day = one year.
> >> Focucault's pendulum would still precess with a one year
> >> cycle indicating there is still spinning going on.
>
> > Foucault's pendulum is based on axial rotation occuring beneath the
> > swiinging pendulum and at the poles,where the  rotational forces
> > acting perpendicular to the rate of change is absent,the ground
> > registers a movement beneath the swinging pendulum of 24 hours 360
> > degrees,not a second more or a second less -
>
> >http://www.phys-astro.sonoma.edu/people/students/baker/SouthPoleFouca...
>
> > Considering that I have yet to meet an individual who is capable of
> > recognising rotational geodynamics involved in crustal geodynamics or
> > people who have an adult  regard for physical considerations in
> > respect to astronomical,geological or climatological causes and
> > effects,people will have more regard for your erroneous response and
> > conclusion than they will for working through the physical effects to
> > come to a satisfactory conclusion.
>
> > Btw,you are not to blame,you are just doing what everyone else
>
>   that is stone cold OPAICK  word salad.   not even opaque.
>
> josephus
> --
> I go sailing in the summer
> and look at stars in the winter,
> "Everybody is ignorant but on
> different subjects"
>     --Will Rogers
> Its not what you know
> that gets you in trouble
> its what you know that ain so.
>     --josh billings.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

No wonder astronomy is in a poor state - there is not the slightest
sign that somebody actually enjoys working with the motions of the
Earth.Give credit where it is due,the follwing article more or
less,with a few minor errors,gets it right -

T"he plane of the swing of the pendulum bob is now independent of the
surface of the earth which was imparting a force to the bob before it
was released (through the holding point). As noted previously, the bob
is still spinning with the Earth (a spot of the bob will spin with the
Earth), even though the bob is no longer turning with the Earth. Thus
the Earth continues to turn underneath the swing of the pendulum while
the swing of the pendulum remains in a fixed plane that doesn't rotate
(turn)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagrams_For_Foucault_Pendulum

At the North pole,where axial rotation is essentially  absent,a person
technically  experiences a day long year in terms of daylight and
darkness thereby determining that quite apart from axial rotation,a
location chnages its orientation a full 360 degrees with respect to
the central Sun.

If axial rotation ceased,the pendulum would act as though it were
located at the Equator at every latitudinal point between Equator and
pole.If axial rotation ceased,the Equator would also experience a year
long day in terms of daylight and darkness.

This stuff is just fun for me and I do not see why it does not provide
for a lively discussion.Perhaps the art of discussion has been lost
and all that exists are the complainers .

In article 
,
 oriel36  wrote:

> At the North pole,where axial rotation is essentially  absent,a person
> technically  experiences a day long year in terms of daylight and
> darkness thereby determining that quite apart from axial rotation,a
> location chnages its orientation a full 360 degrees with respect to
> the central Sun.

That is not true. At either pole one can see the 24-hour rotation of the 
Earth by observing the sun, the moon, and the stars moving around the 
sky.

-- 
Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com> http://www.timberwoof.com
"When you post sewage, don't blame others for 
emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

On May 23, 7:30 am, Timberwoof 
wrote:
> In article
> ,
>
>  oriel36  wrote:
> > At the North pole,where axial rotation is essentially  absent,a person> > technically  experiences a day long year in terms of daylight and
> > darkness thereby determining that quite apart from axial rotation,a
> > location chnages its orientation a full 360 degrees with respect to
> > the central Sun.
>
> That is not true. At either pole one can see the 24-hour rotation of the
> Earth by observing the sun, the moon, and the stars moving around the
> sky.
>
> --
> Timberwoof <me at timberwoof dot com>http://www.timberwoof.com
> "When you post sewage, don't blame others for
> emptying chamber pots in your direction." ‹Chris L.

Go ahead and discuss what a person will experience at the polar axis
in terms of daylight and darkness throughout an annual orbital cycle
(a year in other words).

If axial rotation ceased,a location at the Equator would behave in the
same way as the polar axis location insofar as it would turn through
360 degrees with respect to the central Sun and take an entire year to
do it giving the experience of a year long day of daylight and
darkness.It all depends on how much focus you place on seassonal
differences produced by the Earth's motion to the central Sun, rather
than wandering off to equidistant celestial sphere geometry,if a
person keeps things restricted to the fairly short distance between
the Sun and the Earth and intepret the motions correctly they will
reach a satisfactory and enjoyable conclusion.

Go ahead and try  and get a discussion going,the  collected
information  of the Pendulum,the time lapse footage of Uranus or
whatever other information can be brought to bear on the fact that a
change in the orbital orientation of a location replaces the pseudo-
dynamic of variable axial/equatorial inclination as the cause of the
seasons.In short,you are supposed to enjoy working with a new orbital
component and with that,I leave this for a while.