On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, "Cj"  wrote:
>On Jan 14, 6:16 am, Anonymous Sender <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
>Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>> Why do so many atheists believe they are not atheists?
>
>Because once they admit to Atheism their pro-evolution / anti-Bible
>views lose all objective value. There is one and only one refutation
>of Darwinism that Darwinists cannot refute: the identification or
>outing of Atheism, which makes the pro-evolution / anti-Bible view
>predictable and predetermined. This is why most Atheists claim to be
>Christians or Agnostics. Of course their pro-evolution / anti-Bible
>views ties them to be Atheists regardless of how they dress or label
>themselves. They would rather sacrifice an appearance of being a liar
>then admit to being an Atheist because, like I said, once Atheism is
>admitted pro-evolution / anti-Bible views are predictable and
>predetermined every step of the way.
>Historically, Atheism always meant 'liar' because they had no fear of
>God.

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Great answer, Ray! But this is what most amazes -- and disappoints
-- me about modern-day Christianity: Why do "free ride" Christians
believe they can get away with murder? Where did these free riders
get that cockamamie idea, out of a box of Cracker Jacks? Maybe the
bible they're reading from looks like one of those files that have
been "classified for national security reasons", you see 'em where
the U.S. Government used black magic markers to hide 99% of a UFO
report, incriminating evidence, and "top-secret" things like that.
But last I looked the bible is anything but a classified document
(albeit their dumbed-down English "translations" do read that way).

I mean, we know the self-proclaimed Atheists devoutly believe that
there is no God, or Gods. Thus they believe there is no such thing
as a soul, spirit, heaven, hell, afterlife, beforelife, sin, karma,
anything supernatural, or other worldly, to put it mildly. Without
going into a diatribe, I believe the most rational explanation for
why Atheists can't see the Light, is because they can't see their
own ego-selves objectively. Atheists are purely, only, subjective.
And "free ride" Christians suffer from exactly the same incurable
blindness to the Light, and for the same reasons, being completely
immersed in--preoccupied with--their subjective mortal human egos.

It's a known fact that the Immortal souls of mortal Atheists burn
in Hellfire for a long time after they die. But these "free ride"
Christians believe that they are somehow different from Atheists,
and so they believe that, as they say "Because Jesus died for my
sins", end quote, they're no more liable for all their lifetimes
of violations of God's Universal Law (the Ten Commandments & Two
Great Commandments), than the self-described Atheists are liable.

It's the one thing that unites both the Atheists and "free ride"
Christians (Christian Atheists--no oxymoron implied) altogether,
and that is their shared belief that the Universe will not hold
them accountable for their transgressions against the Holy Ghost,
not in this life, and not in an afterlife. They all believe that.

This is why I believe that the souls of "free ride" Christians
are doomed to lift their eyes up in excruciating torments when
they die, in the same outer darkness as the hideously tormented
souls of dead Atheists--all that "weeping and gnashing of teeth",
the whole nine yards. It's when the "free ride" Christians find
out they had lived their lives as the Atheists did, without God.

Having lived afar off from the Light in their lifetimes, so too
they remain afar off from the Light in death, in outer darkness,
each a prisoner of his own device in great fear of the Light in
which to see the Just and the future Judgment awaiting them to
cross over (i.e. the impassible abyss) into the fatherly Light.
But that's just my humble opinion, to quote a song from 'Monk':

         "I could be wrong now, but I don't think so!"

Armageddon Cometh,
Daniel Joseph Min
http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/

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"Creationist"  wrote in message 
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> I mean, we know the self-proclaimed Atheists devoutly believe that
> there is no God, or Gods

"Devoutly" - no. Most couldn't care less about the subject. Hardly 
"devoutly"


>. Thus they believe there is no such thing
> as a soul, spirit, heaven, hell, afterlife, beforelife, sin, karma,
> anything supernatural, or other worldly, to put it mildly.

Non sequitur


> Without
> going into a diatribe, I believe the most rational explanation for
> why Atheists can't see the Light, is because they can't see their
> own ego-selves objectively. Atheists are purely, only, subjective.

? This is tantamount to saying that balck is white.
A non-atheist is objective because of faith?

> It's a known fact that the Immortal souls of mortal Atheists burn
> in Hellfire for a long time after they die.

Could you provide a reliable (i.e. non-biblical) reference please


> It's the one thing that unites both the Atheists and "free ride"
> Christians (Christian Atheists--no oxymoron implied) altogether,
> and that is their shared belief that the Universe will not hold
> them accountable for their transgressions against the Holy Ghost,
> not in this life, and not in an afterlife. They all believe that.

? In English, please

> But that's just my humble opinion, to quote a song from 'Monk':
>
>         "I could be wrong now, but I don't think so!"

Don't you? Re-read all what you've written. Be brave. This isn't Satan 
writing this, it's just someone who's not entirely sure you're a troll.

Creationist wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, "Cj"  wrote:
> >On Jan 14, 6:16 am, Anonymous Sender <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
> >Header@[127.1]> wrote:
> >> Why do so many atheists believe they are not atheists?
> >
> >Because once they admit to Atheism their pro-evolution / anti-Bible
> >views lose all objective value. There is one and only one refutation
> >of Darwinism that Darwinists cannot refute: the identification or
> >outing of Atheism, which makes the pro-evolution / anti-Bible view
> >predictable and predetermined. This is why most Atheists claim to be
> >Christians or Agnostics. Of course their pro-evolution / anti-Bible
> >views ties them to be Atheists regardless of how they dress or label
> >themselves. They would rather sacrifice an appearance of being a liar
> >then admit to being an Atheist because, like I said, once Atheism is
> >admitted pro-evolution / anti-Bible views are predictable and
> >predetermined every step of the way.
> >Historically, Atheism always meant 'liar' because they had no fear of
> >God.
>
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>
> Great answer, Ray! But this is what most amazes -- and disappoints
> -- me about modern-day Christianity: Why do "free ride" Christians
> believe they can get away with murder? Where did these free riders
> get that cockamamie idea, out of a box of Cracker Jacks? Maybe the
> bible they're reading from looks like one of those files that have
> been "classified for national security reasons", you see 'em where
> the U.S. Government used black magic markers to hide 99% of a UFO
> report, incriminating evidence, and "top-secret" things like that.
> But last I looked the bible is anything but a classified document
> (albeit their dumbed-down English "translations" do read that way).
>
> I mean, we know the self-proclaimed Atheists devoutly believe that
> there is no God, or Gods. Thus they believe there is no such thing
> as a soul, spirit, heaven, hell, afterlife, beforelife, sin, karma,
> anything supernatural, or other worldly, to put it mildly. Without
> going into a diatribe, I believe the most rational explanation for
> why Atheists can't see the Light, is because they can't see their
> own ego-selves objectively. Atheists are purely, only, subjective.
> And "free ride" Christians suffer from exactly the same incurable
> blindness to the Light, and for the same reasons, being completely
> immersed in--preoccupied with--their subjective mortal human egos.
>
> It's a known fact that the Immortal souls of mortal Atheists burn
> in Hellfire for a long time after they die. But these "free ride"
> Christians believe that they are somehow different from Atheists,
> and so they believe that, as they say "Because Jesus died for my
> sins", end quote, they're no more liable for all their lifetimes
> of violations of God's Universal Law (the Ten Commandments & Two
> Great Commandments), than the self-described Atheists are liable.
>
> It's the one thing that unites both the Atheists and "free ride"
> Christians (Christian Atheists--no oxymoron implied) altogether,
> and that is their shared belief that the Universe will not hold
> them accountable for their transgressions against the Holy Ghost,
> not in this life, and not in an afterlife. They all believe that.

It's what we don't believe in that counts.

We don't believe in primitive mythology.

Read on, you just *might* learn something,
specially Emmett's final line, it describes you to a 'T'

"Atheism is the world of reality, it is reason, it is freedom.  Atheism
is human concern, and intellectual honesty to a degree that the religious
mind cannot begin to understand. And yet it is more than this. Atheism is
not an old religion, it is not a new and coming religion, in fact it is
not, and never has been, a religion at all. The definition of Atheism is
magnificent in its simplicity: Atheism is merely the bed-rock of sanity
in a world of madness."
[Atheism: An Affirmative View, by Emmett F. Fields]

Bob
Humanist Brit.
Hong Kong


>
>
> This is why I believe that the souls of "free ride" Christians
> are doomed to lift their eyes up in excruciating torments when
> they die, in the same outer darkness as the hideously tormented
> souls of dead Atheists--all that "weeping and gnashing of teeth",
> the whole nine yards. It's when the "free ride" Christians find
> out they had lived their lives as the Atheists did, without God.
>
> Having lived afar off from the Light in their lifetimes, so too
> they remain afar off from the Light in death, in outer darkness,
> each a prisoner of his own device in great fear of the Light in
> which to see the Just and the future Judgment awaiting them to
> cross over (i.e. the impassible abyss) into the fatherly Light.
> But that's just my humble opinion, to quote a song from 'Monk':
>
>          "I could be wrong now, but I don't think so!"
>
> Armageddon Cometh,
> Daniel Joseph Min
> http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
>
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Manky Badger wrote:

> "Creationist"  wrote in message
> news:2a6a93590824598e6ab33ba08272dee4@nymkey.com...
>
> > I mean, we know the self-proclaimed Atheists devoutly believe that
> > there is no God, or Gods
>
> "Devoutly" - no. Most couldn't care less about the subject. Hardly
> "devoutly"
>
> >. Thus they believe there is no such thing
> > as a soul, spirit, heaven, hell, afterlife, beforelife, sin, karma,
> > anything supernatural, or other worldly, to put it mildly.
>
> Non sequitur
>
> > Without
> > going into a diatribe, I believe the most rational explanation for
> > why Atheists can't see the Light, is because they can't see their
> > own ego-selves objectively. Atheists are purely, only, subjective.
>
> ? This is tantamount to saying that balck is white.
> A non-atheist is objective because of faith?
>
> > It's a known fact that the Immortal souls of mortal Atheists burn
> > in Hellfire for a long time after they die.
>
> Could you provide a reliable (i.e. non-biblical) reference please

I think firstly the word 'soul' needs to be delineated in logical modern
terms

>
>
> > It's the one thing that unites both the Atheists and "free ride"
> > Christians (Christian Atheists--no oxymoron implied) altogether,
> > and that is their shared belief that the Universe will not hold
> > them accountable for their transgressions against the Holy Ghost,
> > not in this life, and not in an afterlife. They all believe that.
>
> ? In English, please
>
> > But that's just my humble opinion, to quote a song from 'Monk':
> >
> >         "I could be wrong now, but I don't think so!"
>
> Don't you? Re-read all what you've written. Be brave. This isn't Satan
> writing this, it's just someone who's not entirely sure you're a troll.

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:36:05 -0800 (PST), "Sniper .308"
 wrote:

lil red faggot forges on

In article
,
   TomThumb  wrote:
> On Jan 20, 7:50 am, Mike Collins  wrote:
> > > Armageddon Cometh,
> > > Daniel Joseph Minhttp://www.angelfire.com/moon2/danieljosephmin/
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > >It's a known fact that the Immortal souls of mortal Atheists burn
> > >in Hellfire for a long time after they die.

I wonder how Min knows that. There is no reference in The Bible to
"Atheists+Hellfire".

-- 
Rodney Blackall (retired meteorologist)(BSc, FRMetS, MRI)
Buckingham, ENGLAND
Using Acorn SA-RPC, OS 4.02 with ANT INS and Pluto 3.03j

I don't know what SunBeam thinks, but I doubt she agrees with you Bert.
We need religion because none of us are fully informed.

As I see it, Marxism is a decent modern religion.
Taoism is one of the better older broader religions.
My religion, physicalism, is the best ( according to me ).

Physicalists assume the cosmos is fully causal;
i.e. physical processes determine absolutely everything;
i.e. the future is just as fixed as the past;
i.e. intrinsically, objectively, time is spatial, like east and west.

Notions such as “ motion ”, “ life ”, “ choices ”, etc.
are all artifacts of the semi-informed mind.

As I see it, if you disagree with Einstein, you're wrong.

Quoting Petkov: 

“ This paper pursues two aims. 

  First, to show that the block universe view, regarding the universe as
  a timelessly existing four-dimensional world,
  is the only one that is consistent with special relativity.

  Second, to argue that special relativity alone can resolve
  the debate on whether the world is
  three-dimensional or four-dimensional.

  The argument advanced in the paper is that
  if the world were three-dimensional

  the kinematic consequences of special relativity and more importantly
  the experiments confirming them would be impossible. ”.
  
  -- “ Is There an Alternative to the Block Universe View ? ”
     http://Philsci-Archive.Pitt.EDU/archive/00002408/

On Jan 25, 7:24 pm, Jeff☠Relf  wrote:
> As I see it, if you disagree with Einstein, you're wrong.

Learn to fashion a proper thesis.  Disagree with Einstein how?  Do I
have to agree with everything he said?  Learn to debate and then we'll
talk.

You are your “ notions ”, so there's nothing “ mere ” about them.

On Jan 25, 11:46 pm, Jeff☠Relf  wrote:
> You are your “ notions ”, so there's nothing “ mere ” about them.

Everything is about everything else in your universe if isinglass
suspension.

TCross

Creationist wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2008, "Cj"  wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 6:16 am, Anonymous Sender <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-
>> Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>>> Why do so many atheists believe they are not atheists?

WTF has this got to do with astronomy in the UK???

-- 
Abo