Someone in the know told me the other day that an additional service
is to be introduced northbound in the morning returning from Holyhead
in the evening.

Apparently, this service will route via Wrexham though my contact
could offer nothing as to the details concerning its operation i.e.
what happens at Chester.

Interesting to know how much this is all costing and quite where the
money is coming from, assuming ticket revenue doesn’t provide the
answer that is.

I wonder how successful in this respect has the other service been?

Certainly, although the introduction of through services was somewhat
politically motivated, I believe the original introduction of a two
hourly interval service has achieved a degree of revenue success,
unless anyone knows different?

On 1 Nov, 18:32, allanbonnetracy  wrote:
> Someone in the know told me the other day that an additional service
> is to be introduced northbound in the morning returning from Holyhead
> in the evening.
>
> Apparently, this service will route via Wrexham though my contact
> could offer nothing as to the details concerning its operation i.e.
> what happens at Chester.
>
> Interesting to know how much this is all costing and quite where the
> money is coming from, assuming ticket revenue doesn’t provide the
> answer that is.
>
> I wonder how successful in this respect has the other service been?
>
> Certainly, although the introduction of through services was somewhat
> politically motivated, I believe the original introduction of a two
> hourly interval service has achieved a degree of revenue success,
> unless anyone knows different?

Loco hauled, Cardiff-Holyhead am, return pm, the best gen is that it
will be top 'n tailed to avoid the run round at Chester. I read
somewhere that the current service is subsidised by the WAG to the
tune of £7500 each day of operation, if I remember where, I will cite
it.

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

On 1 Nov, 18:38, darkprince66  wrote:
> On 1 Nov, 18:32, allanbonnetracy  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Someone in the know told me the other day that an additional service
> > is to be introduced northbound in the morning returning from Holyhead
> > in the evening.
>
> > Apparently, this service will route via Wrexham though my contact
> > could offer nothing as to the details concerning its operation i.e.
> > what happens at Chester.
>
> > Interesting to know how much this is all costing and quite where the
> > money is coming from, assuming ticket revenue doesn’t provide the
> > answer that is.
>
> > I wonder how successful in this respect has the other service been?
>
> > Certainly, although the introduction of through services was somewhat
> > politically motivated, I believe the original introduction of a two
> > hourly interval service has achieved a degree of revenue success,
> > unless anyone knows different?
>
> Loco hauled, Cardiff-Holyhead am, return pm, the best gen is that it
> will be top 'n tailed to avoid the run round at Chester. I read
> somewhere that the current service is subsidised by the WAG to the
> tune of £7500 each day of operation, if I remember where, I will cite
> it.
>
> Rich
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Modern Railways 2008 2009, passim

I think one of our esteemed uk.r posters may have elicited the
information from the WAG Deputy First Minister as to the cost of the
loco to Holyhead.

Notwithstanding the political angle to the service, the subsidy it
uses could be used elsewhere in Wales to perhaps more people's
benefits.

On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:25:53 -0800 (PST), the absent minded professor
 wrote:

>Notwithstanding the political angle to the service, the subsidy it
>uses could be used elsewhere in Wales to perhaps more people's
>benefits.

Refurbishing some of their shitty 158s, perhaps?  Then bothering to
clean them on an ongoing basis.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Nov 2009 12:25:53 -0800 (PST), the absent minded professor
>  wrote:
> 
>> Notwithstanding the political angle to the service, the subsidy it
>> uses could be used elsewhere in Wales to perhaps more people's
>> benefits.
> 
> Refurbishing some of their shitty 158s, perhaps?  Then bothering to
> clean them on an ongoing basis.
> 

This seems to be a common opinion, but in my experience they have 
improved greatly since they were allocated to the new depot at 
Machynlleth.

Charlie

I remember the 158's when they were the newest trains on the tracks -
"Alphaline" and all that.

The North-South service was always a political rather than economic
decision - but how much of the rest of the UK network operates on a
similar basis? If profit were the driver for our railways I doubt
areas like North Wales and Scotland would have any rail services at
all.

My only critiscm of the service is that it's a shame that Mark 3
standard coaches couldn't / can't be be procured for the service to go
with the 1st class car.

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:01:40 +0000, Charlie Hulme
 wrote:

>This seems to be a common opinion, but in my experience they have 
>improved greatly since they were allocated to the new depot at 
>Machynlleth.

Are all of them allocated to Mach now?  The last experience I had of
one was Chester to Brum via Shrewsbury about 6 months ago, and it was,
as expected, filthy inside and out with threadbare seats and the bog
door had long since failed.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

On 2 Nov, 23:11, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams) wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 12:01:40 퍍, Charlie Hulme
>
>  wrote:
> >This seems to be a common opinion, but in my experience they have
> >improved greatly since they were allocated to the new depot at
> >Machynlleth.
>
> Are all of them allocated to Mach now?  The last experience I had of
> one was Chester to Brum via Shrewsbury about 6 months ago, and it was,
> as expected, filthy inside and out with threadbare seats and the bog
> door had long since failed.
>
> Neil
>
> --
> Neil Williams
> Put my first name before the at to reply.

Yup, they are all now allocated to Machynlleth, nominally at least.
The fleet availability has definitely improved (TBH that wouldn't be
hard), but internally, they're heading for Central Trains territory.
It seems a little crass to have a few refurbished trains for London
services (if they get the go ahead. If....) and make the rest of us in
ATW land suffer in purgatory forever.

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

darkprince66 wrote:

> 
> Loco hauled, Cardiff-Holyhead am, return pm, the best gen is that it
> will be top 'n tailed to avoid the run round at Chester. I read
> somewhere that the current service is subsidised by the WAG to the
> tune of £7500 each day of operation, if I remember where, I will cite
> it.
> 
> Rich
> 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

Chester has had locos run round there before and could still cope unless
the trackwork has been changed in the last 3 years,

i have seen a 56/3 run round a bendyleano several times.

they even ended up going to the extent of teaching the platform
dispatchers to ba able to despatch a train with no bells/buzzers
IIRC plat 3 has RA indicators but they are not normally used if the
train has buzzers

Daniel Smith wrote:

> Chester has had locos run round there before and could still cope unless
> the trackwork has been changed in the last 3 years,
> 
> i have seen a 56/3 run round a bendyleano several times.
> 
> they even ended up going to the extent of teaching the platform
> dispatchers to ba able to despatch a train with no bells/buzzers
> IIRC plat 3 has RA indicators but they are not normally used if the
> train has buzzers

No need to run round. Just run up the Birkenhead line and set 
back round the other arm of the triangle, just like they used to 
do at Inverness.

But of course such moves have been banned as unsafe. Why, I'm not 
entirely sure.

Alternatively, use a Class 67 and DVT hired from DB Regio...

Charlie

>
> But of course such moves have been banned as unsafe. Why, I'm not
> entirely sure.
>

You must have a short memory, there’s clearly a long list somewhere of
disasters that have been caused by reversing round triangles.

> Alternatively, use a Class 67 and DVT hired from DB Regio...

Is there no way a Class 57 will work in tandem with a DVT?

"jones_wales"  wrote in message 
news:d0b128b5-eeb0-4454-b8f4-c172ccf342a1@15g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>> Alternatively, use a Class 67 and DVT hired from DB Regio...
>
> Is there no way a Class 57 will work in tandem with a DVT?

As built, the WCML DVTs (and for that matter the ECML ones in the Mk4 sets) 
were only designed to work with electric locos. One has been converted to 
work with a 67 in the DBS Executive Train. Have any others been converted to 
work with diesel locos? There's presumably no problem in getting them to 
work with other classes of diesel locos, but you can't just take one off the 
shelf.

Peter

allanbonnetracy  wrote in news:8be0b195-d041-
4980-bafb-b94137d36db5@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> But of course such moves have been banned as unsafe. Why, I'm not
>> entirely sure.
>>
> 
> You must have a short memory, there’s clearly a long list somewhere of
> disasters that have been caused by reversing round triangles.

Reversed round the Chester east curve many times on diverted WCML services 
in my time. My heart was always in my mouth - would our luck hold out, or 
was a devastating, destructive, horrifying accident just seconds away? I'd 
cross my fingers and hope for the best, and, miraculously, we always made 
it safely. Never crashed once! What are the odds on that, eh?

Rick.

Rick Hughes  wrote in
news:Xns9CB8C788419CCrjhtalk21com@216.196.109.145: 

> Reversed round the Chester east curve many times on diverted WCML

Bugger. "west".

Peter Masson wrote:
> "jones_wales"  wrote in message
> news:d0b128b5-eeb0-4454-b8f4-c172ccf342a1@15g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>> Alternatively, use a Class 67 and DVT hired from DB Regio...
>>
>> Is there no way a Class 57 will work in tandem with a DVT?
>
> As built, the WCML DVTs (and for that matter the ECML ones in the Mk4
> sets) were only designed to work with electric locos. One has been
> converted to work with a 67 in the DBS Executive Train. Have any
> others been converted to work with diesel locos?

There are a few converted for use with WSMR, and Chiltern have at least one,
but they all work with 67s AFAIAA. Or I have I got the question wrong...

Paul

On 3 Nov, 19:09, "Peter Masson"  wrote:
> "jones_wales"  wrote in message
>
> news:d0b128b5-eeb0-4454-b8f4-c172ccf342a1@15g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >> Alternatively, use a Class 67 and DVT hired from DB Regio...
>
> > Is there no way a Class 57 will work in tandem with a DVT?
>
> As built, the WCML DVTs (and for that matter the ECML ones in the Mk4 sets)
> were only designed to work with electric locos. One has been converted to
> work with a 67 in the DBS Executive Train. Have any others been converted to
> work with diesel locos? There's presumably no problem in getting them to
> work with other classes of diesel locos, but you can't just take one off the
> shelf.
>
> Peter

Yes all 5 of the WSMR ones

Tony

On 3 Nov, 00:44, Daniel Smith <dasy...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> darkprince66 wrote:
>
> > Loco hauled, Cardiff-Holyhead am, return pm, the best gen is that it
> > will be top 'n tailed to avoid the run round at Chester. I read
> > somewhere that the current service is subsidised by the WAG to the
> > tune of £7500 each day of operation, if I remember where, I will cite
> > it.
>
> > Rich
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/
>
> Chester has had locos run round there before and could still cope unless
> the trackwork has been changed in the last 3 years,
>
> i have seen a 56/3 run round a bendyleano several times.
>
> they even ended up going to the extent of teaching the platform
> dispatchers to ba able to despatch a train with no bells/buzzers
> IIRC plat 3 has RA indicators but they are not normally used if the
> train has buzzers

Chester no longer has shunters to unhook the loco and reattach the
other end. Those days are long gone. VT will provide someone from
Crewe where necessary, as when they need to run Thunderbirds round on
diversions, but routinely there is no-one at Chester. BTW, let me know
next time a 56/3 is dragging Pendo's, that's deffo one for the
camera... <pedant>

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

On 3 Nov, 20:41, "Paul Scott"  wrote:
> Peter Masson wrote:
> > "jones_wales"  wrote in message
> >news:d0b128b5-eeb0-4454-b8f4-c172ccf342a1@15g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> Alternatively, use a Class 67 and DVT hired from DB Regio...
>
> >> Is there no way a Class 57 will work in tandem with a DVT?
>
> > As built, the WCML DVTs (and for that matter the ECML ones in the Mk4
> > sets) were only designed to work with electric locos. One has been
> > converted to work with a 67 in the DBS Executive Train. Have any
> > others been converted to work with diesel locos?
>
> There are a few converted for use with WSMR, and Chiltern have at least one,
> but they all work with 67s AFAIAA. Or I have I got the question wrong...
>
> Paul

There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
bloody filthy).

ATW could try for a 67/DVT combo, however I think that spare class
67's are a little thin on the ground right now (at least 4 for WSMR, 5
for FSR, soon to be 4 for FGW, 3 or 4 for NXEC, that's half the fleet
before DBS get a look in!)

I wouldn't complain if ATW were able to go down that road, no class 67
has yet ventured west of Saltney Jct on a scheduled passenger train...

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:48 -0800 (PST), darkprince66
 wrote:
>There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
>82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
>and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
>currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
>bloody filthy).


Interesting ... so the Executive set has been disbanded?  

I wonder where the coaches went?

On 3 Nov, 23:17, Bruce  wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:48 -0800 (PST), darkprince66
>
>  wrote:
> >There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
> >82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
> >and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
> >currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
> >bloody filthy).
>
> Interesting ... so the Executive set has been disbanded?  
>
> I wonder where the coaches went?

AFAIK they still have them, it's just convenient to use loco and DVT
on this particular RHTT, rather than top and tail loco's. I guess they
could put the Exec train back together pretty much immediately, but
67029 and 82146 will need some serious runs through a train wash. At a
guess the coaches would be at Toton, but I couldn't confirm that.

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

On 3 Nov, 22:21, darkprince66  wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 20:41, "Paul Scott"  wrote:
>
>
>
> > Peter Masson wrote:
> > > "jones_wales"  wrote in message
> > >news:d0b128b5-eeb0-4454-b8f4-c172ccf342a1@15g2000yqy.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>> Alternatively, use a Class 67 and DVT hired from DB Regio...
>
> > >> Is there no way a Class 57 will work in tandem with a DVT?
>
> > > As built, the WCML DVTs (and for that matter the ECML ones in the Mk4
> > > sets) were only designed to work with electric locos. One has been
> > > converted to work with a 67 in the DBS Executive Train. Have any
> > > others been converted to work with diesel locos?
>
> > There are a few converted for use with WSMR, and Chiltern have at least one,
> > but they all work with 67s AFAIAA. Or I have I got the question wrong...
>
> > Paul
>
> There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
> 82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
> and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
> currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
> bloody filthy).
>
> ATW could try for a 67/DVT combo, however I think that spare class
> 67's are a little thin on the ground right now (at least 4 for WSMR, 5
> for FSR, soon to be 4 for FGW, 3 or 4 for NXEC, that's half the fleet
> before DBS get a look in!)
>
> I wouldn't complain if ATW were able to go down that road, no class 67
> has yet ventured west of Saltney Jct on a scheduled passenger train...
>
> Rich
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

4 for FGW? I've heard that GBRf have the contract, they don't use 67s.
As for ATW, could get very interesting there for all sorts of reasons,
one of which could preclude this London service ever happening

On 3 Nov, 22:21, darkprince66  wrote:
> There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
> 82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
> and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
> currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
> bloody filthy).
>
> ATW could try for a 67/DVT combo, however I think that spare class
> 67's are a little thin on the ground right now (at least 4 for WSMR, 5
> for FSR, soon to be 4 for FGW, 3 or 4 for NXEC, that's half the fleet
> before DBS get a look in!)

Didn't realise that DBS had a presing need for the things - other than
charters, I thought they were having issues finding work for 'em.

And besides, you could halve the fGW requirement by using a couple of
spare Mk2 DBSOs.

Am I the only one getting frustrated by the needless top'n'tailing or
three or four carraiges with two locos. Especially if they are powered
by ten-year-old reliable two-strokers, and not ancient cruddy Sulzers?
Surely a bit of wiring on a DVT/DBSO (plus installation of appropriate
fire extinguishing systems in the loco) would pay for itself pretty
quick, wouldn't it?

Yrs. confused

A. Spotter

Andy Elms wrote:

> Am I the only one getting frustrated by the needless top'n'tailing or
> three or four carraiges with two locos.

Quite possibly. Most people won't care one way or the other, while those
who do are probably gladdened by the sight of the second loco.

-- 
http://gallery120232.fotopic.net/p9632802.html
(31 124 at Manchester Victoria, Jun 1985)

"darkprince66"  wrote in message 
news:48ac14ce-54ac-47e8-a656-70138fc6e18f@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
On 3 Nov, 23:17, Bruce  wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:48 -0800 (PST), darkprince66
>
>  wrote:
> >There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
> >82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
> >and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
> >currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
> >bloody filthy).
>
> Interesting ... so the Executive set has been disbanded?
>
> I wonder where the coaches went?

AFAIK they still have them, it's just convenient to use loco and DVT
on this particular RHTT, rather than top and tail loco's. I guess they
could put the Exec train back together pretty much immediately, but
67029 and 82146 will need some serious runs through a train wash. At a
guess the coaches would be at Toton, but I couldn't confirm that.

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/




Those are some fantastically nice pictures of Class 37s you have there. I'm 
well envious.

On 5 Nov, 13:07, "Light of Aria"
 wrote:
> "darkprince66"  wrote in message
>
> news:48ac14ce-54ac-47e8-a656-70138fc6e18f@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On 3 Nov, 23:17, Bruce  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:48 -0800 (PST), darkprince66
>
> >  wrote:
> > >There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
> > >82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
> > >and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
> > >currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
> > >bloody filthy).
>
> > Interesting ... so the Executive set has been disbanded?
>
> > I wonder where the coaches went?
>
> AFAIK they still have them, it's just convenient to use loco and DVT
> on this particular RHTT, rather than top and tail loco's. I guess they
> could put the Exec train back together pretty much immediately, but
> 67029 and 82146 will need some serious runs through a train wash. At a
> guess the coaches would be at Toton, but I couldn't confirm that.
>
> Rich
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/
>
> Those are some fantastically nice pictures of Class 37s you have there. I'm
> well envious.

Thanks very much :-)))

Don't be envious, they're posted so that people can see them! You can
download for a screen saver or desktop if you wish, I got no problem
with that, but if anyone wishes to use a photo elsewhere on the net
(or book or whatever, hint hint!), but a credit/link is appreciated,
as is a 'would you mind' e-mail!

I've taken some more 37 pics today, the best of them will be up by
this time tomorrow.

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

"darkprince66"  wrote in message 
news:e091055a-e003-4f31-aaee-92f0af30ff28@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
> On 5 Nov, 13:07, "Light of Aria"
>  wrote:
>> "darkprince66"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:48ac14ce-54ac-47e8-a656-70138fc6e18f@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>> On 3 Nov, 23:17, Bruce  wrote:
>>
>> > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:48 -0800 (PST), darkprince66
>>
>> >  wrote:
>> > >There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
>> > >82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
>> > >and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
>> > >currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
>> > >bloody filthy).
>>
>> > Interesting ... so the Executive set has been disbanded?
>>
>> > I wonder where the coaches went?
>>
>> AFAIK they still have them, it's just convenient to use loco and DVT
>> on this particular RHTT, rather than top and tail loco's. I guess they
>> could put the Exec train back together pretty much immediately, but
>> 67029 and 82146 will need some serious runs through a train wash. At a
>> guess the coaches would be at Toton, but I couldn't confirm that.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/
>>
>> Those are some fantastically nice pictures of Class 37s you have there. 
>> I'm
>> well envious.
>
> Thanks very much :-)))
>
> Don't be envious, they're posted so that people can see them! You can
> download for a screen saver or desktop if you wish, I got no problem
> with that, but if anyone wishes to use a photo elsewhere on the net
> (or book or whatever, hint hint!), but a credit/link is appreciated,
> as is a 'would you mind' e-mail!
>
> I've taken some more 37 pics today, the best of them will be up by
> this time tomorrow.
>
> Rich
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/




If only you had a sound recording too...!

On 6 Nov, 21:31, "Light of Aria"
 wrote:
> "darkprince66"  wrote in message
>
> news:e091055a-e003-4f31-aaee-92f0af30ff28@g23g2000vbr.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5 Nov, 13:07, "Light of Aria"
> >  wrote:
> >> "darkprince66"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:48ac14ce-54ac-47e8-a656-70138fc6e18f@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> >> On 3 Nov, 23:17, Bruce  wrote:
>
> >> > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:48 -0800 (PST), darkprince66
>
> >> >  wrote:
> >> > >There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
> >> > >82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
> >> > >and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
> >> > >currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
> >> > >bloody filthy).
>
> >> > Interesting ... so the Executive set has been disbanded?
>
> >> > I wonder where the coaches went?
>
> >> AFAIK they still have them, it's just convenient to use loco and DVT
> >> on this particular RHTT, rather than top and tail loco's. I guess they
> >> could put the Exec train back together pretty much immediately, but
> >> 67029 and 82146 will need some serious runs through a train wash. At a
> >> guess the coaches would be at Toton, but I couldn't confirm that.
>
> >> Rich
>
> >>http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/
>
> >> Those are some fantastically nice pictures of Class 37s you have there.
> >> I'm
> >> well envious.
>
> > Thanks very much :-)))
>
> > Don't be envious, they're posted so that people can see them! You can
> > download for a screen saver or desktop if you wish, I got no problem
> > with that, but if anyone wishes to use a photo elsewhere on the net
> > (or book or whatever, hint hint!), but a credit/link is appreciated,
> > as is a 'would you mind' e-mail!
>
> > I've taken some more 37 pics today, the best of them will be up by
> > this time tomorrow.
>
> > Rich
>
> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/
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Look at a pic, then shut your eyes. you'll hear them!!!

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

On 5 Nov, 21:57, darkprince66  wrote:
> On 5 Nov, 13:07, "Light of Aria"
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> > "darkprince66"  wrote in message
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> >news:48ac14ce-54ac-47e8-a656-70138fc6e18f@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> > On 3 Nov, 23:17, Bruce  wrote:
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> > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:21:48 -0800 (PST), darkprince66
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> > >  wrote:
> > > >There are 6 DVT's currently that can work with class 67's, 82301,
> > > >82303-305 ahich are the WSMR liveried ones, 82302 in 'Chiltern' blue
> > > >and 82146 which is part of the erstwhile EWS Executive set, which is
> > > >currently working RHTT on the Midland Main Line with 67029 (and is
> > > >bloody filthy).
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> > > Interesting ... so the Executive set has been disbanded?
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> > > I wonder where the coaches went?
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> > AFAIK they still have them, it's just convenient to use loco and DVT
> > on this particular RHTT, rather than top and tail loco's. I guess they
> > could put the Exec train back together pretty much immediately, but
> > 67029 and 82146 will need some serious runs through a train wash. At a
> > guess the coaches would be at Toton, but I couldn't confirm that.
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> > Rich
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> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/
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> > Those are some fantastically nice pictures of Class 37s you have there. I'm
> > well envious.
>
> Thanks very much :-)))
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> Don't be envious, they're posted so that people can see them! You can
> download for a screen saver or desktop if you wish, I got no problem
> with that, but if anyone wishes to use a photo elsewhere on the net
> (or book or whatever, hint hint!), but a credit/link is appreciated,
> as is a 'would you mind' e-mail!
>
> I've taken some more 37 pics today, the best of them will be up by
> this time tomorrow.
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> Rich
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More 37 pics now up (amongst others!) for your viewing pleasure. Still
more to come...

Rich

http://www.flickr.com/photos/darkprince66/

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> Look at a pic, then shut your eyes. you'll hear them!!!

I recorded last Saturday's RTZ passing through Frodsham (a bit spoiled
by the wind). I'll transfer the recording to the computer and see how
big it is - if it's a reasonable size I'll put it somewhere accessible.

-- 
Dave,                                     
Frodsham
http://dave-jackson.fotopic.net