Saw a 'quadruple headed' rake of diesels possibly class 92's going south 
through Northampton this morning. The middle 2 looked to be in brand new 
livery, 1 shiney silver, the other, black. Any ideas as to what they were?

Cheers, Phil.

"phil"  wrote:

>Saw a 'quadruple headed' rake of diesels possibly class 92's going south 
>through Northampton this morning. The middle 2 looked to be in brand new 
>livery, 1 shiney silver, the other, black. Any ideas as to what they were?


Class 92s are electric, unless they have recently been fitted with
diesel engines to enrage ignorant trainspotters who get upset when
diesels operate under the wires ...

But what you may have seen is some Class 86s that have been
refurbished and repainted to be offered to open access freight
operators in mainland Europe.  I cannot recall the name of the company
(someone will no doubt help me out here) but I have seen pictures of
the first Class 86 to be thus treated and it was liveried in silver.

"Tony Polson"  wrote in message 
news:445ic4dg0vtfmkialpkn1jej316bbd2iu5@4ax.com...
> "phil"  wrote:
>
>>Saw a 'quadruple headed' rake of diesels possibly class 92's going south
>>through Northampton this morning. The middle 2 looked to be in brand new
>>livery, 1 shiney silver, the other, black. Any ideas as to what they were?
>
>
> Class 92s are electric, unless they have recently been fitted with
> diesel engines to enrage ignorant trainspotters who get upset when
> diesels operate under the wires ...
>
> But what you may have seen is some Class 86s that have been
> refurbished and repainted to be offered to open access freight
> operators in mainland Europe.  I cannot recall the name of the company
> (someone will no doubt help me out here) but I have seen pictures of
> the first Class 86 to be thus treated and it was liveried in silver.

Yes, my loco knowledge is not the best!!
The main thing was how new they looked. Could they be new 66's?

Cheers, Phil

"phil"  wrote:

>
>"Tony Polson"  wrote in message 
>news:445ic4dg0vtfmkialpkn1jej316bbd2iu5@4ax.com...
>> "phil"  wrote:
>>
>>>Saw a 'quadruple headed' rake of diesels possibly class 92's going south
>>>through Northampton this morning. The middle 2 looked to be in brand new
>>>livery, 1 shiney silver, the other, black. Any ideas as to what they were?
>>
>>
>> Class 92s are electric, unless they have recently been fitted with
>> diesel engines to enrage ignorant trainspotters who get upset when
>> diesels operate under the wires ...
>>
>> But what you may have seen is some Class 86s that have been
>> refurbished and repainted to be offered to open access freight
>> operators in mainland Europe.  I cannot recall the name of the company
>> (someone will no doubt help me out here) but I have seen pictures of
>> the first Class 86 to be thus treated and it was liveried in silver.
>
>Yes, my loco knowledge is not the best!!
>The main thing was how new they looked. Could they be new 66's?


There are quite a few people here whose knowledge of Class 66
deliveries is greater than mine, but if in silver/grey, they may have
been for Euro Cargo Rail (EWS' mainland European subsidiary) or
Britain's Fastline Freight (part of Jarvis).  There is another
mainland European operator who uses Class 66s in black.

On Sep 11, 1:55 pm, Tony Polson  wrote:


< pedant >
 < anorak on >

> But what you may have seen is some Class 86s

87s surely ?

< anorak off >
< /pedant >

--
Nick

D7666  wrote:

>On Sep 11, 1:55 pm, Tony Polson  wrote:
>
>
>< pedant >
> < anorak on >
>
>> But what you may have seen is some Class 86s
>
>87s surely ?
>
>< anorak off >
>< /pedant >


Anorak and pedantry notwithstanding, I typed Class 86 because that is
what I meant to type ... !

The loco I referred to is definitely a Class 86.  It is 86 247, which
I believe it came out of storage at Long Marston.  The company that
owns it is Europhoenix Limited, who have been negotiating with HSBC
Rail for the purchase of over 20 other Class 86s currently in store.

"Tony Polson" wrote:
> The loco I referred to is definitely a Class 86.  It is 86 247....
>

Ah!  After five replies, that's what we've all been waiting for - its 
number!
Thanks, Tony.

-- 
DB.

On 11 Sep, 20:58, Tony Polson  wrote:
> D7666  wrote:
> >On Sep 11, 1:55 pm, Tony Polson  wrote:
>
> >< pedant >
> > < anorak on >
>
> >> But what you may have seen is some Class 86s
>
> >87s surely ?
>
> >< anorak off >
> >< /pedant >
>
> Anorak and pedantry notwithstanding, I typed Class 86 because that is
> what I meant to type ... !
>
> The loco I referred to is definitely a Class 86.  It is 86 247, which
> I believe it came out of storage at Long Marston.  The company that
> owns it is Europhoenix Limited, who have been negotiating with HSBC
> Rail for the purchase of over 20 other Class 86s currently in store.

86247 still very much in store. The photo on the Europhenix publicity
is digitally imposed onto 86101 I beleve.

The convoy through Northampton could have, by the sound of it, been
Class 92s heading off for work with SNCF unless they have already
gone?!

Standing at HN28 signal  wrote:
>On 11 Sep, 20:58, Tony Polson  wrote:
>>
>> Anorak and pedantry notwithstanding, I typed Class 86 because that is
>> what I meant to type ... !
>>
>> The loco I referred to is definitely a Class 86.  It is 86 247, which
>> I believe it came out of storage at Long Marston.  The company that
>> owns it is Europhoenix Limited, who have been negotiating with HSBC
>> Rail for the purchase of over 20 other Class 86s currently in store.
>
>86247 still very much in store. The photo on the Europhenix publicity
>is digitally imposed onto 86101 I beleve.


That's the penalty of taking press releases at face value.  ;-)


>The convoy through Northampton could have, by the sound of it, been
>Class 92s heading off for work with SNCF unless they have already
>gone?!


Thanks.

Tony Polson wrote:
> Standing at HN28 signal  wrote:
>> On 11 Sep, 20:58, Tony Polson  wrote:
>>> Anorak and pedantry notwithstanding, I typed Class 86 because that is
>>> what I meant to type ... !
>>>
>>> The loco I referred to is definitely a Class 86.  It is 86 247, which
>>> I believe it came out of storage at Long Marston.  The company that
>>> owns it is Europhoenix Limited, who have been negotiating with HSBC
>>> Rail for the purchase of over 20 other Class 86s currently in store.
>> 86247 still very much in store. The photo on the Europhenix publicity
>> is digitally imposed onto 86101 I beleve.
> 
> 
> That's the penalty of taking press releases at face value.  ;-)
> 
> 
>> The convoy through Northampton could have, by the sound of it, been
>> Class 92s heading off for work with SNCF unless they have already
>> gone?!
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 

What the OP actually saw, barring some unholy co-incidence, was a 
heavily delayed Bescot - Wembley Enterprise with this lot on the front: 
66104 (EWS red) + 67029 (EWS Silver) + 67006 (Royal Train claret, the 
"black" one) + 92022 (Railfreight grey).

As far as I know all the French 92s are still at Brush Loughborough, and 
the second batch of 87s for export are still at Crewe.

AW

AW <a@b.c> wrote:
>
>What the OP actually saw, barring some unholy co-incidence, was a 
>heavily delayed Bescot - Wembley Enterprise with this lot on the front: 
>66104 (EWS red) + 67029 (EWS Silver) + 67006 (Royal Train claret, the 
>"black" one) + 92022 (Railfreight grey).
>
>As far as I know all the French 92s are still at Brush Loughborough, and 
>the second batch of 87s for export are still at Crewe.


Thanks for what appears to be the definitive answer.  ;-)

"Tony Polson"  wrote in message 
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> AW <a@b.c> wrote:
>>
>>What the OP actually saw, barring some unholy co-incidence, was a
>>heavily delayed Bescot - Wembley Enterprise with this lot on the front:
>>66104 (EWS red) + 67029 (EWS Silver) + 67006 (Royal Train claret, the
>>"black" one) + 92022 (Railfreight grey).
>>
>>As far as I know all the French 92s are still at Brush Loughborough, and
>>the second batch of 87s for export are still at Crewe.
>
>
> Thanks for what appears to be the definitive answer.  ;-)

Yes, thanks very much, I think you've cracked it!

Here's another one for you! I saw 47841 on a low loader on the M25 the other 
day. Where's it been, where's it going?!

Cheers, Phil.

phil wrote:

> 
> Here's another one for you! I saw 47841 on a low loader on the M25 the other 
> day. Where's it been, where's it going?!
> 

See <http://www.wnxx.com/> and click on Latest News.

AW