http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm

"Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what 
police have hailed as Britain's biggest find of 
suspected stolen metal.

"Among the haul found during a search of the yard at 
New Halden Metals, Cheadle, Staffordshire, was 200 
tonnes of rail track, along with beer kegs and cables.

"A 43-year-old man who was questioned on suspicion of 
theft and of handling stolen goods was released on 
bail...."

Charlie

Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Charlie
Hulme  gently breathed:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>
>"Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed
>as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>
>"Among the haul found during a search of the yard at New Halden Metals,
>Cheadle, Staffordshire, was 200 tonnes of rail track, along with beer
>kegs and cables.
>
>"A 43-year-old man who was questioned on suspicion of theft and of
>handling stolen goods was released on bail...."

Good!  About time some of these thieves (and their fences) were caught
up with.  Though presumably he track will be cut into small pieces, so
not a lot of use even if returned to NR, unless perhaps in sidings.

I wonder if the kegs were stolen for their metal value, or were
originally full and the scrap value was a secondary consideration?

-- 
 - DJ Pyromancer, Black Sheep, Leeds.  <http://www.sheepish.net>
 - <http://www.inkubus-sukkubus.co.uk> <http://www.revival.stormshadow.com>

On Aug 29, 7:42 pm, Pyromancer 
wrote:
> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Charlie
> Hulme  gently breathed:
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>
> >"Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed
> >as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>
> >"Among the haul found during a search of the yard at New Halden Metals,
> >Cheadle, Staffordshire, was 200 tonnes of rail track, along with beer
> >kegs and cables.
>
> >"A 43-year-old man who was questioned on suspicion of theft and of
> >handling stolen goods was released on bail...."
>
> Good!  About time some of these thieves (and their fences) were caught
> up with.  Though presumably he track will be cut into small pieces, so
> not a lot of use even if returned to NR, unless perhaps in sidings.
>
> I wonder if the kegs were stolen for their metal value, or were
> originally full and the scrap value was a secondary consideration?
>
> --
>  - DJ Pyromancer, Black Sheep, Leeds.  <http://www.sheepish.net>
>  - <http://www.inkubus-sukkubus.co.uk> <http://www.revival.stormshadow.com>

Bailed??? What the....

If I'd gone and stolen £700000 from the Nat West you could bet that I
wouldn't be on bail. What about consideration of the lives put at risk
by theft of said cables and track?  He may not have stolen them, but
he surely must be implicated as an accessory as he is in possession of
the goods?

Rich

"darkprince66"  wrote in message 
news:952fccc0-0ef0-4607-8a8c-6f74daea0ccc@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
On Aug 29, 7:42 pm, Pyromancer 
wrote:
> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Charlie
> Hulme  gently breathed:
>
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>
> >"Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed
> >as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>
(snip)

> Bailed??? What the....
>
> If I'd gone and stolen (snip)

As they've not charged, let alone tried and convicted, I think you're 
jumping the gun here. They've been bailed presumably because there is not, 
at least yet, sufficient evidence to charge them with an offence of theft or 
knowing or having reasonable grounds to believe it has been stolen.

Patrick

"D1039"  wrote in message 
news:1MGdnd-p25pr8CXVnZ2dnUVZ8vOdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "darkprince66"  wrote in message 
> news:952fccc0-0ef0-4607-8a8c-6f74daea0ccc@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 7:42 pm, Pyromancer 
> wrote:
>> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Charlie
>> Hulme  gently breathed:
>>
>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>>
>> >"Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed
>> >as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>>
> (snip)
>
>> Bailed??? What the....
>>
>> If I'd gone and stolen (snip)
>
> As they've not charged, let alone tried and convicted, I think you're 
> jumping the gun here. They've been bailed presumably because there is not, 
> at least yet, sufficient evidence to charge them with an offence of theft 
> or knowing or having reasonable grounds to believe it has been stolen.

I've been to that scrapyard. It's "New Haden", by the way, not "Halden" as 
reported. Real North Staffs industrial revolution hearland site. Was clearly 
once a mine etc. Huge scrapyard - what a mess.

Regards

Jonathan

"Jonathan Morton"  wrote in 
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> "D1039"  wrote in message 
> news:1MGdnd-p25pr8CXVnZ2dnUVZ8vOdnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "darkprince66"  wrote in message 
>> news:952fccc0-0ef0-4607-8a8c-6f74daea0ccc@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> On Aug 29, 7:42 pm, Pyromancer 
>> wrote:
>>> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Charlie
>>> Hulme  gently breathed:
>>>
>>> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>>>
>>> >"Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed
>>> >as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> Bailed??? What the....
>>>
>>> If I'd gone and stolen (snip)
>>
>> As they've not charged, let alone tried and convicted, I think you're 
>> jumping the gun here. They've been bailed presumably because there is 
>> not, at least yet, sufficient evidence to charge them with an offence of 
>> theft or knowing or having reasonable grounds to believe it has been 
>> stolen.
>
> I've been to that scrapyard. It's "New Haden", by the way, not "Halden" as 
> reported. Real North Staffs industrial revolution hearland site. Was 
> clearly once a mine etc. Huge scrapyard - what a mess.
>
> Regards
>
> Jonathan
>
Part of the idea of releasing him on bail might be so that the scrapyard 
continues to function, and those who don't follow the news continue to turn 
up with their offerings.
Aluminium beer barrels have been prey for many years, and the breweries have 
been offering rewards for their recovery. One scrapyard in Swansea had a 
concealed furnace where they could be reduced to anonymous ingots.
Swansea was the site for several of the more audacious thefts I remember. In 
one, a whole rake of stored mineral wagons had their phosphor-bronze 
bearings stolen. In another (where I played a part in gathering evidence), a 
local scrap merchant also had a contract to clear spoil from the back of a 
foundry- he would almost fill his wagons with scrap from one of the piles, 
cover it with spoil and drive out. The spoil and scrap would then be 
separated by an electro-magnet at his yard, and he'd resell the scrap to 
BSC! Even more audacious were the thiefs who stole all four wheels from the 
new Traffic Division Jaguar- whilst it was in the police station car-park.
Brian

On 29 Aug, 22:01, darkprince66  wrote:
> Bailed??? What the....
>
> If I'd gone and stolen £700000 from the Nat West you could bet that I
> wouldn't be on bail.

Actually you probably would, unless you'd stolen it at gunpoint. The
general presumption is for bail ahead of conviction, unless you're
(not the legalese but the gist) likely to run away or likely to pose a
serious risk to the public.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

On Aug 29, 10:01 pm, darkprince66 
wrote:

> wouldn't be on bail. What about consideration of the lives put at risk
> by theft of said cables and track?

So how do *you* know they were allegedly stolen from an operating
railway?

The charges may refer to already scrap items awaiting disposal.

--
Nick

Charlie Hulme wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
> 
> "Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed 
> as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
> 
> "Among the haul found during a search of the yard at New Halden Metals, 
> Cheadle, Staffordshire, was 200 tonnes of rail track, along with beer 
> kegs and cables.
> 
> "A 43-year-old man who was questioned on suspicion of theft and of 
> handling stolen goods was released on bail...."
> 
> Charlie

Epidemic!

"More than 1,000 drain covers have been stolen in County Durham so far 
this year, highways chiefs have revealed."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7589584.stm

Brian.

On Aug 29, 10:45 pm, "D1039"  wrote:
> "darkprince66"  wrote in message
>
> news:952fccc0-0ef0-4607-8a8c-6f74daea0ccc@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 29, 7:42 pm, Pyromancer 
> wrote:> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Charlie
> > Hulme  gently breathed:
>
> > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>
> > >"Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed
> > >as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>
> (snip)
>
> > Bailed??? What the....
>
> > If I'd gone and stolen (snip)
>
> As they've not charged, let alone tried and convicted, I think you're
> jumping the gun here. They've been bailed presumably because there is not> at least yet, sufficient evidence to charge them with an offence of theft or
> knowing or having reasonable grounds to believe it has been stolen.
>
> Patrick

No smoke without fire my friend!

I think it's rather more likely he has spent some of the filthy lucre
hiring the services of a smart arse lawyer, you know the type. Maybe
he has a friend in the USA called OJ... ;-)))

Rich

On Aug 30, 4:42 pm, darkprince66 
wrote:
> On Aug 29, 10:45 pm, "D1039"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "darkprince66"  wrote in message
>
> >news:952fccc0-0ef0-4607-8a8c-6f74daea0ccc@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 29, 7:42 pm, Pyromancer 
> > wrote:> Upon the miasma of midnight, a darkling spirit identified as Charlie
> > > Hulme  gently breathed:
>
> > > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>
> > > >"Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed
> > > >as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>
> > (snip)
>
> > > Bailed??? What the....
>
> > > If I'd gone and stolen (snip)
>
> > As they've not charged, let alone tried and convicted, I think you're
> > jumping the gun here. They've been bailed presumably because there is not,
> > at least yet, sufficient evidence to charge them with an offence of theft or
> > knowing or having reasonable grounds to believe it has been stolen.
>
> > Patrick
>
> No smoke without fire my friend!
>
> I think it's rather more likely he has spent some of the filthy lucre
> hiring the services of a smart arse lawyer, you know the type. Maybe
> he has a friend in the USA called OJ... ;-)))
>
> Rich- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Scrap metal prices are apparently at an all time high. I should think
that it's the first time in their 20 year history that anyone is
actually pleased to own a Pacer unit or two...

Rich

"Brian Robertson" <me@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
news:Taauk.48902$f%6.39712@newsfe09.ams2...
> Charlie Hulme wrote:
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>>
>> "Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed 
>> as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>>
>> "Among the haul found during a search of the yard at New Halden Metals, 
>> Cheadle, Staffordshire, was 200 tonnes of rail track, along with beer 
>> kegs and cables.
>>
>> "A 43-year-old man who was questioned on suspicion of theft and of 
>> handling stolen goods was released on bail...."
>>
>> Charlie
>
> Epidemic!
>
> "More than 1,000 drain covers have been stolen in County Durham so far 
> this year, highways chiefs have revealed."
>
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7589584.stm
>
> Brian.
I thought it was Blackburn, Lancashire.....
Brian

In message <g9dma1$e4l$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>
          "BH Williams"  wrote:

> 
> "Brian Robertson" <me@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
> news:Taauk.48902$f%6.39712@newsfe09.ams2...
> > Charlie Hulme wrote:
> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
> >>
> >> "Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed 
> >> as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
> >>
> >> "Among the haul found during a search of the yard at New Halden Metals, 
> >> Cheadle, Staffordshire, was 200 tonnes of rail track, along with beer 
> >> kegs and cables.
> >>
> >> "A 43-year-old man who was questioned on suspicion of theft and of 
> >> handling stolen goods was released on bail...."
> >>
> >> Charlie
> >
> > Epidemic!
> >
> > "More than 1,000 drain covers have been stolen in County Durham so far 
> > this year, highways chiefs have revealed."
> >
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7589584.stm
> >
> > Brian.
> I thought it was Blackburn, Lancashire.....
> Brian 
> 
> 

I read the news today, oh boy!

-- 
Graeme Wall
This address is not read, substitute trains for rail.
Transport Miscellany at <http://www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail/index.html>

BH Williams wrote:
> "Brian Robertson" <me@[nospam].com> wrote in message 
> news:Taauk.48902$f%6.39712@newsfe09.ams2...
>> Charlie Hulme wrote:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/staffordshire/7586300.stm
>>>
>>> "Scrap valued at £700,000 has been recovered in what police have hailed 
>>> as Britain's biggest find of suspected stolen metal.
>>>
>>> "Among the haul found during a search of the yard at New Halden Metals, 
>>> Cheadle, Staffordshire, was 200 tonnes of rail track, along with beer 
>>> kegs and cables.
>>>
>>> "A 43-year-old man who was questioned on suspicion of theft and of 
>>> handling stolen goods was released on bail...."
>>>
>>> Charlie
>> Epidemic!
>>
>> "More than 1,000 drain covers have been stolen in County Durham so far 
>> this year, highways chiefs have revealed."
>>
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7589584.stm
>>
>> Brian.
> I thought it was Blackburn, Lancashire.....
> Brian 
> 
> 

Ha ha ha. :-)

Brian.

darkprince66 wrote:

> No smoke without fire my friend!
> 
> I think it's rather more likely he has spent some of the filthy lucre
> hiring the services of a smart arse lawyer, you know the type. Maybe
> he has a friend in the USA called OJ... ;-)))

Don't get caught up in another trial by media.

Remember: Innocent until proven guilty - that's the way it works. Even 
if many of the police, the government, the media and a startlingly 
worrying amount of the british public have forgotten that.

Philip.

On Sep 1, 8:04 am, Philip Hardy  wrote:
> darkprince66 wrote:
> > No smoke without fire my friend!
>
> > I think it's rather more likely he has spent some of the filthy lucre
> > hiring the services of a smart arse lawyer, you know the type. Maybe
> > he has a friend in the USA called OJ... ;-)))
>
> Don't get caught up in another trial by media.
>
> Remember: Innocent until proven guilty - that's the way it works. Even
> if many of the police, the government, the media and a startlingly
> worrying amount of the british public have forgotten that.
>
> Philip.

Yeah, fair point.

I guess that there could be a reasonable explanation, 200 tons of
track probably isn't that much, and track does get scrapped. The beer
kegs are altogether more suspicious though!!

Rich

In article ,
darkprince66   wrote:
>On Sep 1, 8:04 am, Philip Hardy  wrote:
>
>> Remember: Innocent until proven guilty - that's the way it works. Even
>> if many of the police, the government, the media and a startlingly
>> worrying amount of the british public have forgotten that.
>>
>> Philip.
>
>Yeah, fair point.
>
>I guess that there could be a reasonable explanation, 200 tons of
>track probably isn't that much, and track does get scrapped. The beer
>kegs are altogether more suspicious though!!

Perhaps they were very thirsty ...

Nick
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