Simon  wrote:
>
>Maybe they are not wilfully scatty people.  

It's a euphemism.

>Maybe they have
>dementia?  Are they just acting daft?  Maybe the station staff they
>asked advice from got it wrong.  Do you want your scatty granny in
>front of the beak for making an honest mistake?

Neither my scatty granny, nor anyone else I know, posts to a newsgroup
asking for advice about how best to get away with defrauding a train
operating company.

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:29:32 +0100, Tony Polson
 wrote:

>Simon  wrote:
>>
>>Maybe they are not wilfully scatty people.  
>
>It's a euphemism.
>
>>Maybe they have
>>dementia?  Are they just acting daft?  Maybe the station staff they
>>asked advice from got it wrong.  Do you want your scatty granny in
>>front of the beak for making an honest mistake?
>
>Neither my scatty granny, nor anyone else I know, posts to a newsgroup
>asking for advice about how best to get away with defrauding a train
>operating company.

But the request for information about what may or may not be a fraud
had been deleted earlier in the thread so I was not responding to
that.  I did not have the knowledge to do so.  Maybe I do now.

I detest fraud as it in the long run costs me money.

Simon

Simon  wrote:
>
>I detest fraud as it in the long run costs me money.


So you don't detest it on the basis that it is morally wrong.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:58:49 +0100, Tony Polson
 wrote:

>Simon  wrote:
>>
>>I detest fraud as it in the long run costs me money.
>
>So you don't detest it on the basis that it is morally wrong.

No.  What anybodys moral values are are their own decision.  I would
find it (not paying the correct fare) morally wrong.  Others may
have different moral values which do not match my own.  I would not
judge them on that basis.  To me it is a legal issue but does the
scatty granny need to be in a prison cell?

Please stop cutting out relevant parts of the conversation.

Simon

Simon  wrote:
>
>Please stop cutting out relevant parts of the conversation.


I only cut out the *irrelevant* parts.  Your opinion may vary, and
that's fine by me, but please don't dictate to me what I should and
shouldn't reply to.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 08:23:44 -0700 (PDT), The Real Doctor
 wrote:

>I have therefore seen a fair number of honest mistakes. And I never
>saw a VT train manager deal with it other than tactfully and kindly.

The proper way to deal with it would be to display the train number
(Retail Service ID) that uniquely identifies every train on the
station displays and to print it on the tickets.  This would remove
any such confusion.

Neil

-- 
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

"The Real Doctor"  wrote
>
> There used to be two 1703 trains from Birmingham New Street to
> Edinburgh: one WCML and one ECML. I regularly saw people travel by
> accident on the wrong one. Although announcements were made, many
> people would simply think "Ah good. The 1703 Edinburgh train" and not
> even consider the possibility that there might be two. Come to that,
> I'll be many people going Birmingham to Edinburgh wouldn't know what
> route to expect.
>
There are still several examples of two departures at the same time from
Birmingham New Street to Edinburgh, or in some cases, Glasgow Central. But
they are now distinguished as the e.g. 1803 Virgin trains service to
Edinburgh (via WCML) and the 1803 Cross Country service to Edinburgh (via
ECML).

Peter

"Peter Masson"  wrote in message 
news:fZmdnXjYzcut0PDVnZ2dnUVZ8rKdnZ2d@bt.com...
>
> "The Real Doctor"  wrote
>>
>> There used to be two 1703 trains from Birmingham New Street to
>> Edinburgh: one WCML and one ECML. I regularly saw people travel by
>> accident on the wrong one. Although announcements were made, many
>> people would simply think "Ah good. The 1703 Edinburgh train" and not
>> even consider the possibility that there might be two. Come to that,
>> I'll be many people going Birmingham to Edinburgh wouldn't know what
>> route to expect.
>>
> There are still several examples of two departures at the same time from
> Birmingham New Street to Edinburgh, or in some cases, Glasgow Central. But
> they are now distinguished as the e.g. 1803 Virgin trains service to
> Edinburgh (via WCML) and the 1803 Cross Country service to Edinburgh (via
> ECML).

That is indeed true at New Street. But, curiously, I've never heard an 
announcement that says which one will get to Edinburgh first - i.e. which 
train you should catch if you're travelling on a Saver or Open ticket as 
opposed to an AP.

Regards

Jonathan