On Jun 29, 4:05 pm, nik.morgan  wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 15:51:27 퍝, David Hansen wrote
> (in article ):
>
> > In addition, to go back to an earlier discussion in this thread, one
> > of the comments on that article states, "Two pedestrians killed by
> > pavement cyclists since 1999, verses 700 pedestrians killed by
> > motorists on the pavement in the same time. Cyclists are not the
> > menace you purport them to be."
>
> One has nothing to do with the other, How many cars are there? How many car
> journies per day? 70 million plus, against a few hundred thousand bike
> journies, hardly surprising the accident rates are wildly different, never> mind the speed differential.

As a pedestrian, I have been hit by a cyclist running a red light at a
pelican crossing.  On a separate occasion whilst riding my bike, I hit
a man who just stepped out between parked cars right into my path.  In
both cases a couple of bruises were sustained.  Substitute the words
'driver' and 'car' and I would be most likely a) dead and b) a
murderer.  That's the difference.  Before anyone attempts to twist
what I have said, it is *not* acceptable for cyclists to run red
lights (the exception being where bicycles do not activate signals in
the absence of other motor vehicles, as discussed above).

> Illegal and dangerous cycling pisses off people big time, can't you see that?

Correct, and it should be punished. Illegal and dangerous motoring
kills.  And of course the number of cars on the pavement should be
zero, with no legitimate excuse that it's too dangerous on the road.