Apparently 13th and 14th are excluded from early booking since there are
going to be engineering works. I'm planning on travelling from
Newark-Reading, so have a choice of routes (via London, Nottingham-London,
and Birmingham) Anyone have any more information? NX say there are works, NR
say there aren't.

Thanks

Marcus

"Marcus Fox"  wrote 
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> Apparently 13th and 14th are excluded from early booking since 
> there are
> going to be engineering works. I'm planning on travelling from
> Newark-Reading, so have a choice of routes (via London, 
> Nottingham-London,
> and Birmingham) Anyone have any more information? NX say there are 
> works, NR
> say there aren't.

The relevant part of "Rules of the Route" is not currently online, 
but before it was taken off it was showing work around Shaftholme 
Junction for those dates, i.e.closing Doncaster-York. If that is 
still correct, it *should* mean that the southern part of the East 
Coast Main Line will be *relatively* unaffected, as the Leeds 
services can still run (and perhaps they will use HST stock to divert 
trains from further north via the non-electrified York-Leeds line as 
has happened in the recent past) - but no promises!  Note that this 
is my (entirely unofficial) 'take' on the situation - I monitor 
upcoming engineering  work fairly closely as I like to travel over 
any unusual track on offer.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 00:33:21 +0100, John Salmon wrote:
> has happened in the recent past) - but no promises!  Note that this 
> is my (entirely unofficial) 'take' on the situation - I monitor 
> upcoming engineering  work fairly closely as I like to travel over 
> any unusual track on offer. 

In that case, do you have any idea what's is going to happen on
September 6th? We're planning to take the 8:45 from Euston to Holyhead
on that day, but this train doesn't show up (yet?) on that day. If we
have to take the 8:12 instead (change at Crewe), arriving at 7:55 from
Brussels at St Pancras is probably not advisable :-(

Regards,

          Rian

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"Rian van der Borgt" wrote
> In that case, do you have any idea what's is going to happen on
> September 6th? We're planning to take the 8:45 from Euston to 
> Holyhead
> on that day, but this train doesn't show up (yet?) on that day. If 
> we
> have to take the 8:12 instead (change at Crewe), arriving at 7:55 
> from
> Brussels at St Pancras is probably not advisable :-(

Obviously anything involving the WCML is a bit 'dodgy' at weekends at 
the moment, but I can't see anything specific that should affect the 
service early on that day.

"John Salmon"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Rian van der Borgt" wrote
>> In that case, do you have any idea what's is going to happen on
>> September 6th? We're planning to take the 8:45 from Euston to Holyhead
>> on that day, but this train doesn't show up (yet?) on that day. If we
>> have to take the 8:12 instead (change at Crewe), arriving at 7:55 from
>> Brussels at St Pancras is probably not advisable :-(
>
> Obviously anything involving the WCML is a bit 'dodgy' at weekends at the 
> moment, but I can't see anything specific that should affect the service 
> early on that day.

I would have thought the 'Saturday 1000 closure' at Rugby - which apparently 
is going to happen on a majority of Saturdays until the end of the year - 
would be likely to remove this option from the timetable? It seems it does 
tomorrow (28th Jun) anyway, the last through train is the 0755 to Liverpool.

http://downloads.virgintrains.co.uk/docs/28_june_08_nb.pdf

Paul

"John Salmon"  wrote in news:j-idnZXq-
P0t0fjVnZ2dnUVZ8vednZ2d@bt.com:

> 
> "Rian van der Borgt" wrote
>> In that case, do you have any idea what's is going to happen on
>> September 6th? We're planning to take the 8:45 from Euston to 
>> Holyhead
>> on that day, but this train doesn't show up (yet?) on that day. If 
>> we
>> have to take the 8:12 instead (change at Crewe), arriving at 7:55 
>> from
>> Brussels at St Pancras is probably not advisable :-(
> 
> Obviously anything involving the WCML is a bit 'dodgy' at weekends at 
> the moment, but I can't see anything specific that should affect the 
> service early on that day. 
> 
> 

The only thing that is certain is that the service on that part of the WCML 
will bear no resemblance what-so-ever to the published timetable.  Looking 
at this weekends service

see http://downloads.virgintrains.co.uk/docs/28_june_08_nb.pdf

you will see the last through trains leave Euston at 07.55, subsequent 
services either involve buses or diversion via High Wycombe (xx.00 
departures from Euston).  

The virgin press release 

http://www.virgintrainsmediaroom.com/index.cfm?articleid=1140

quotes this diverted services as running on Saturdays 28 June until 6 
September, so it would seem likely that a similar service will run on 6 
Spetember, but this may not be confirmed until much nearer the time.

David





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Rian van der Borgt wrote:

> In that case, do you have any idea what's is going to happen on
> September 6th? We're planning to take the 8:45 from Euston to Holyhead
> on that day, but this train doesn't show up (yet?) on that day. If we
> have to take the 8:12 instead (change at Crewe), arriving at 7:55 from
> Brussels at St Pancras is probably not advisable :-(
>

Through trains from London to Holyhead are always the first 
to get the axe when there is any engineering work going on. 
I believe Virgin will be shuttling Crewe - Holyhead on these
days.

Charlie

Marcus Fox  wrote:

> Apparently 13th and 14th are excluded from early booking since there are
> going to be engineering works.

Don't you mean "improvement" works? :)

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"Charlie Hulme"  wrote
>
> Through trains from London to Holyhead are always the first
> to get the axe when there is any engineering work going on.
> I believe Virgin will be shuttling Crewe - Holyhead on these
> days.
>
Because they are moving most of their Voyagers to the Birmingham
International - Euston via South Greenford blockbuster service.

Peter

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:48:38 +0100, Charlie Hulme
 wrote:

>Through trains from London to Holyhead are always the first 
>to get the axe when there is any engineering work going on. 
>I believe Virgin will be shuttling Crewe - Holyhead on these
>days.

In this specific case it's because the Voyagers are going to be used
for the "blockade runners" - though admittedly they tend to go anyway
(together with a reduction in the Manchester service, usually) due to
lack of paths on any diversion.

Neil

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Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:48:38 +0100, Charlie Hulme
>  wrote:
> 
>> Through trains from London to Holyhead are always the first 
>> to get the axe when there is any engineering work going on. 
>> I believe Virgin will be shuttling Crewe - Holyhead on these
>> days.
> 
> In this specific case it's because the Voyagers are going to be used
> for the "blockade runners" - though admittedly they tend to go anyway
> (together with a reduction in the Manchester service, usually) due to
> lack of paths on any diversion.

Quite. I'm told some Saturday Crewe - Holyhead workings will 
be 57+Pendolino, and some others won't run at all, with just
one Class 221 return working.

Charlie