On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:04:40 +0100 someone who may be Roland Perry
 wrote this:-

>I encounter a lot of vehicles on the pavement, not very often while they 
>are being driven, though. And none that was an immediate danger, rather 
>than an inconvenience and exhibition of bad manners.

You were lucky, people are killed by pavement motorists. People who
cannot squeeze past the carelessly discarded vehicles and are forced
onto the road are in immediate extra danger. People who trip on the
pavements damaged by pavement motorists are also in danger.


-- 
  David Hansen, Edinburgh 
 I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:28:09 +0100, David Hansen
 wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:04:40 +0100 someone who may be Roland Perry
> wrote this:-
>
>>I encounter a lot of vehicles on the pavement, not very often while they 
>>are being driven, though. And none that was an immediate danger, rather 
>>than an inconvenience and exhibition of bad manners.
>
>You were lucky, people are killed by pavement motorists. People who
>cannot squeeze past the carelessly discarded vehicles and are forced
>onto the road are in immediate extra danger. People who trip on the
>pavements damaged by pavement motorists are also in danger.
>
People can be killed by pavement cyclists too :-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/06/ukcrime.uknews41

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:04:40 +0100 someone who may be Charles Ellson
 wrote this:-

>People can be killed by pavement cyclists too :-
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/06/ukcrime.uknews41

They can be. That case is one of the very few cases though [1]. That
is why it is the only one bought up when the subject is discussed.

Before condemning all cyclists as a result of this one case it is
worth reading the bits which tend to be left out of the story at
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/nov/16/2>. While none of that is
no excuse it does explain the background.


[1] Cyclists often kill no pedestrians in a year. ISTR the worst
year was when cyclists killed three. The average is less than one
pedestrian killed by cyclists in a year. Those are the total killed
by cyclists, not just those on the pavement.


-- 
  David Hansen, Edinburgh 
 I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
 http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:34:28 +0100, David Hansen
 wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 02:04:40 +0100 someone who may be Charles Ellson
> wrote this:-
>
>>People can be killed by pavement cyclists too :-
>>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/oct/06/ukcrime.uknews41
>
>They can be. That case is one of the very few cases though [1]. That
>is why it is the only one bought up when the subject is discussed.
>
There are many lethal events which individually have "very few cases".
That doesn't mean that the causative actions are proper.
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