Len GM0ONX wrote:

>>>> It looks to have taken 20K worth of peoples donations from the RCF.
>>>>Why should the RCF bail out the RSGB
> > when the RCF was set up to fund projects like the GB4FUN vehicle that
> > has been off the road for months due to lack of funds?
>
>I believe this was related to GB4FUN which is part of the RFC 
>activities. I do know the current vehicle is being replaced with 
>something more cost effective due to high repair and running costs. 
>That's in the minutes too.

Do the minutes say, or has any figure ever been estimated, of how many
youngsters, attracted via the GB4FUN route, have gone on to a Full
licence?

I thought not.

The RSGB might find it was cheaper to pay for youngster's exams rather
than squander money on this whitish elephant.

>> The RCF now supports the exams?  I was under the impression that the 
>> RSGB were running the exam system.  
>
>See the MOI links previously listed for information on who does what.
>
>>Why is the examination scheme not making a profit?  Is it due to the spiraling 
>> costs of the train the trainers scheme?
>
>The TtT scheme isn't funded by the RCF nor the exam fees etc. It comes 
>from mainstream RSGB funds.

Ah, so the true cost of the exam system isn't reflected in the exam
fees.

Perhaps a simpler system, something like a single exam, could replace
the current Byzantine route, and GB4FUN wouldn't be necessary. Rather
like the overseas exams the RSGB also runs.


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from
Aero Spike

GM0ONX wrote:

> 
> I also believe there should be a single exam OPTION too. When I asked
> I was told there was little call for it. Perhaps this is a candidate
> for the Prime Minister’s online petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ .
> Anyone care enough to start one to see if there is a real wish for a
> single exam option?
> 
> Len GM0ONX

Don't I have to get approval from the general manager of the RSGB before 
I start a petition?  He had a bit of a rant about it in this months Radcom.

Steve H

GM0ONX wrote:


>Spike wrote:
>
>> Perhaps a simpler system, something like a single exam, could replace
>> the current Byzantine route, and GB4FUN wouldn't be necessary. Rather
>> like the overseas exams the RSGB also runs.
>
>I also believe there should be a single exam OPTION too. When I asked
>I was told there was little call for it. Perhaps this is a candidate
>for the Prime Minister’s online petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ .
>Anyone care enough to start one to see if there is a real wish for a
>single exam option?

At the time the new system was being put forward, I lobbied for a
multi-level entry system, so that those who thought themselves
qualified could have a stab at the intermediate or top level. That was
scuppered by the requirement to demonstrate how to wire a mains plug
at a time when all mains equipment had to have a moulded plug and lead
already supplied, and by the total lack of enthusiasm go against what
appeared to be set policy.

The cost of getting people through to Full via the various publicity
routes such as GB4FUN should really be assessed; the RSGB is a
business and can't afford to wast money on speculative ventures ("it
seemed a good idea at the time" doesn't cut it). One suspects internal
problems stop the questions being asked. 

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from
Aero Spike

Steve H wrote:

>GM0ONX wrote:
>
>> 
>> I also believe there should be a single exam OPTION too. When I asked
>> I was told there was little call for it. Perhaps this is a candidate
>> for the Prime Minister’s online petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ .
>> Anyone care enough to start one to see if there is a real wish for a
>> single exam option?
>> 
>> Len GM0ONX
>
>Don't I have to get approval from the general manager of the RSGB before 
>I start a petition?  He had a bit of a rant about it in this months Radcom.

Tell us more; ranting officials offer the opportunity to move on, even
if it is by chance.



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from
Aero Spike

Spike wrote:
> Steve H wrote:
> 
>> GM0ONX wrote:
>>
>>> I also believe there should be a single exam OPTION too. When I asked
>>> I was told there was little call for it. Perhaps this is a candidate
>>> for the Prime Minister’s online petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ .
>>> Anyone care enough to start one to see if there is a real wish for a
>>> single exam option?
>>>
>>> Len GM0ONX
>> Don't I have to get approval from the general manager of the RSGB before 
>> I start a petition?  He had a bit of a rant about it in this months Radcom.
> 
> Tell us more; ranting officials offer the opportunity to move on, even
> if it is by chance.
> 
> 
> 

He was having a moan about the 70cm petition, not surprising really as 
it was badly presented and not even spell checked.

Steve H
(Numpty CB owner;c)

Spike wrote:


> At the time the new system was being put forward, I lobbied for a
> multi-level entry system, so that those who thought themselves
> qualified could have a stab at the intermediate or top level. That was
> scuppered by the requirement to demonstrate how to wire a mains plug
> at a time when all mains equipment had to have a molded plug and lead
> already supplied, and by the total lack of enthusiasm go against what
> appeared to be set policy.
> 
> The cost of getting people through to Full via the various publicity
> routes such as GB4FUN should really be assessed; the RSGB is a
> business and can't afford to wast money on speculative ventures ("it
> seemed a good idea at the time" doesn't cut it). One suspects internal
> problems stop the questions being asked. 
> 

I can't see why they can't just add the questions on to the "ADVANCED" 
paper, it would only take another 1/4 of an hour to do the test and very 
little effort from the examining body to see if they had ticked some of 
the correct boxes.



Steve H

Steve H wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>> Steve H wrote:
>> 
>>> GM0ONX wrote:
>>>
>>>> I also believe there should be a single exam OPTION too. When I asked
>>>> I was told there was little call for it. Perhaps this is a candidate
>>>> for the Prime Minister’s online petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/ .
>>>> Anyone care enough to start one to see if there is a real wish for a
>>>> single exam option?
>>>>
>>>> Len GM0ONX
>>> Don't I have to get approval from the general manager of the RSGB before 
>>> I start a petition?  He had a bit of a rant about it in this months Radcom.
>> 
>> Tell us more; ranting officials offer the opportunity to move on, even
>> if it is by chance.
>
>He was having a moan about the 70cm petition, not surprising really as 
>it was badly presented and not even spell checked.

I suspect he was having a rant because there's now been a
demonstration of yet *another* mechanism for members and non-members
to air their views and affect RSGB policy.

The good old days of edicts being handed down on high have long gone -
it's just the RSGB haven't realised it yet. Ranting against it shows
how out-of-touch they are, as if we needed further proof.

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from
Aero Spike

Steve H wrote:

>Spike wrote:
>
>> At the time the new system was being put forward, I lobbied for a
>> multi-level entry system, so that those who thought themselves
>> qualified could have a stab at the intermediate or top level. That was
>> scuppered by the requirement to demonstrate how to wire a mains plug
>> at a time when all mains equipment had to have a molded plug and lead
>> already supplied, and by the total lack of enthusiasm go against what
>> appeared to be set policy.
>
>I can't see why they can't just add the questions on to the "ADVANCED" 
>paper, it would only take another 1/4 of an hour to do the test and very 
>little effort from the examining body to see if they had ticked some of 
>the correct boxes.

Quite, but think of the loss of revenue.



-- 

from
Aero Spike

GM0ONX wrote:

>On Jul 3, 12:39 pm, Spike <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote:
>> :
>>> >Don't I have to get approval from the general manager of the RSGB before
>> >I start a petition?  He had a bit of a rant about it in this months Radcom.
>>
>> Tell us more; ranting officials offer the opportunity to move on, even
>> if it is by chance.
>
>Nothing to tell. Too be clear and for the avoidance of doubt for those
>with selective reading, I speak for me and me alone on this NG.

If someone of the position of General Manager is having what has been
described as 'a rant' in print in the house journal, then there
clearly is 'something to tell'.

Perhaps he's thrown his teddy out of the pram because Radio Amateurs
have found yet another way of putting forward the policies they want,
that doesn't involve the RSGB in the slightest.

That is very bad news for the RSGB


-- 

from
Aero Spike

GM0ONX wrote:

>On Jul 3, 12:42 pm, Steve H wrote
>> Spike wrote:
>> > Steve H wrote:
>> >> Don't I have to get approval from the general manager of the RSGB before
>> >> I start a petition?  He had a bit of a rant about it in this months Radcom.
>>
>> > Tell us more; ranting officials offer the opportunity to move on, even
>> > if it is by chance.
>>
>> He was having a moan about the 70cm petition, not surprising really as
>> it was badly presented and not even spell checked.
>
>Correct! It had no basis in fact and no such proposal were ever
>proposed.

But it has showed that Amateurs can bypass the RSGB by yet another
route. Ranting about it won't stop it.

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from
Aero Spike

"Spike" <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote in message 
news:rkgp64d0j785hci8kmiqhkulebsvafsiqr@4ax.com...
>
> Steve H wrote:
>
>>Spike wrote:
>>
>>> At the time the new system was being put forward, I lobbied for a
>>> multi-level entry system, so that those who thought themselves
>>> qualified could have a stab at the intermediate or top level. That was
>>> scuppered by the requirement to demonstrate how to wire a mains plug
>>> at a time when all mains equipment had to have a molded plug and lead
>>> already supplied, and by the total lack of enthusiasm go against what
>>> appeared to be set policy.
>>
>>I can't see why they can't just add the questions on to the "ADVANCED"
>>paper, it would only take another 1/4 of an hour to do the test and very
>>little effort from the examining body to see if they had ticked some of
>>the correct boxes.
>
> Quite, but think of the loss of revenue.

Alternatively, they could ask SDW to write the exam paper! Imagine what fun 
that would be for the candidates?

tox

"GM0ONX"  wrote in message 
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> > Quite, but think of the loss of revenue.
>
> Alternatively, they could ask SDW to write the exam paper! Imagine what 
> fun
> that would be for the candidates?
>
> tox- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

> Don’t even suggest that in jest! The correct answers would change from
> hour to hour.

Not to mention the 12 year 6 months to set the questions and a further 12 
years 6 months to mark the papers :-(

tox

"GM0ONX"  wrote in message 
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>
>Nothing to tell. Too be clear and for the avoidance of doubt for those
>with selective reading, I speak for me and me alone on this NG.

If you suggest that you expound a different set of opinions when you
speak on behalf of the RSCB, then that would be an admission of
being two-faced which would be par for the course for all
other representatives of the RSCB appearing contemporaneously
in this NG; "Do as I say but not as I do" being their mantra.

"Your Worst Nightmare" <trabant owners club@Nicks place.comco> wrote in 
message news:gy3bk.107123$312.90675@newsfe12.ams2...
>
> Alternatively, they could ask SDW to write the exam paper! Imagine what 
> fun that would be for the candidates?

I'd be careful to cater for all comers, and in respect of Numpty Truckers
who have not even attained the level of 6-year-olds despite purchasing
their books from the RSCB over 20 years ago, I'd have to offer
questions such as ...

1. In arithmetic, what is the result of the sum 1+1?
a) 2
b) 2
c) 2
d) 2

There's no other way that Numpty Truckers would pass.

"GM0ONX"  wrote in message 
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> Don’t even suggest that in jest! The correct answers would change from
> hour to hour.

Once more, an RSCB representative bested in debate runs away with
his tail between his legs to the safety of a kill-file shouting insults as 
he goes.

GM0ONX wrote:

>On Jul 3, 1:18 pm, Spike <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote:
>>> If someone of the position of General Manager is having what has been
>> described as 'a rant' in print in the house journal, then there
>> clearly is 'something to tell'.
>>
>> Perhaps he's thrown his teddy out of the pram because Radio Amateurs
>> have found yet another way of putting forward the policies they want,
>> that doesn't involve the RSGB in the slightest.
>>
>> That is very bad news for the RSGB
>
>The General Manager can speak for himself if he wishes, I speak for
>me. The whole point about the 70cm petition was it was so stop
>something that was never proposed ever to happen. The twit setting up
>the petition got it completely wrong.

It doesn't matter. The cat's out of the bag. 


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from
Aero Spike

"12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
news:g4ihqp$fie$1@news.albasani.net...
> "Your Worst Nightmare" <trabant owners club@Nicks place.comco> wrote in 
> message news:gy3bk.107123$312.90675@newsfe12.ams2...
>>
>> Alternatively, they could ask SDW to write the exam paper! Imagine what 
>> fun that would be for the candidates?
>
> I'd be careful to cater for all comers, and in respect of Numpty Truckers
> who have not even attained the level of 6-year-olds despite purchasing
> their books from the RSCB over 20 years ago, I'd have to offer
> questions such as ...
>
> 1. In arithmetic, what is the result of the sum 1+1?
> a) 2
> b) 2
> c) 2
> d) 2
>
>
2. In post 1975 C&G multiple guess exams, does a wrong answer score:
a) 0
b) -1
c) no difference from not giving a answer
d) the C&G multiple guess exam is worthless

Steve Terry

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:48:08 +0100, Steve H

wrote:


>I can't see why they can't just add the questions on to the "ADVANCED" 
>paper, it would only take another 1/4 of an hour to do the test and very 
>little effort from the examining body to see if they had ticked some of 
>the correct boxes.
>
>
>
>Steve H


Well of course common-sense would suggest that a full licence exam,
could consist of three pages/sections and include the pages/sections
for the two other licences.   The IL exam would consist of the first
two pages/sections and the FL consist of the first page.

That would allow for individuals taking all three (or two) exams
together.

So for example at an examination session, some candidates could be
given all three parts to complete, in hopes of getting the full
licence.

Others would be given the first two parts for completing and if
successful gaining an intermediate licence.

Still others - prospective FLs, would only have to crayon in their
name and address on page one, to get their licence.

Nick.

On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 16:40:40 +0100, lucifer@eternal-flames.gov       wrote:

>Still others - prospective FLs, would only have to crayon in their
>name and address on page one, to get their licence

Your going to up the standard then

wrote in message 
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> Well of course common-sense would suggest that a full licence exam,
> could consist of three pages/sections and include the pages/sections
> for the two other licences.   The IL exam would consist of the first
> two pages/sections and the FL consist of the first page.
> That would allow for individuals taking all three (or two) exams
> together.
> So for example at an examination session, some candidates could be
> given all three parts to complete, in hopes of getting the full
> licence.
> Others would be given the first two parts for completing and if
> successful gaining an intermediate licence.
> Still others - prospective FLs, would only have to crayon in their
> name and address on page one, to get their licence.

Or else give all 3 stages unconditionally and award one of the
three grades dependent on the number of papers passed ...

a) 5+, eligibility to start at kindergarten school
b) 11+, eligibility to start at senior school
c) Full pass, eligibility to come on the air displaying complete ignorance
and shouting "19 for a copy, twig SWWAAARRRRR needed, come back"

No doubt MOUSEY, if he sat such a three parter today would only
achieve (a) because he's forgotten everything he mugged up on in this NG
only a few weeks ago?