On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:14:24 +0100, Brian Morrison 
wrote:

>RSGB claims to represent all UK radio amateurs, but it can't have it
>both ways.

It represents us all because in international eyes it is the largest UK
society.

Create a bigger and better one and you are quids in.

>
>Either stop claiming to represent non-members or allow non-members
>access to details they currently are not permitted to see.

Either join the RSGB or an affiliated club to access their machinations if you
so desire.

Dave@Nothere.com wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:14:24 +0100, Brian Morrison 
>wrote:
>
>>RSGB claims to represent all UK radio amateurs, but it can't have it
>>both ways.
>
>It represents us all because in international eyes it is the largest UK
>society.

The elephant in the room here is that no representation is needed at
international level, as radio is regulated through international
treaties via the legal framework of individual countries. Witness the
dumbing-down of the Morse qualification against the spirit of those
regulations.

>Create a bigger and better one and you are quids in.

Don't need to. 

Direct representation to OFCOM or via independent clubs ( a la recent
consultation) is far more representative, and one might say far more
numerous, than 'RSGB surveys' (which a recent thread showed how these
were manipulated to suit RSGB policy)

>>Either stop claiming to represent non-members or allow non-members
>>access to details they currently are not permitted to see.
>
>Either join the RSGB or an affiliated club to access their machinations if you
>so desire.

What a perfectfly awful idea, from the time of the dinosaurs.

The RSGB is dead - it just won't lie down quite yet.



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from
Aero Spike

>The elephant in the room here is that no representation is needed at
>international level, as radio is regulated through international
>treaties via the legal framework of individual countries. Witness the
>dumbing-down of the Morse qualification against the spirit of those
>regulations.

OK I get it at the IARU and WRC we take what everyone else works for

>
>Direct representation to OFCOM 

Only if it costs them nothing

Dave@Nothere.com wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:14:24 +0100, Brian Morrison 
> wrote:
> 
>> RSGB claims to represent all UK radio amateurs, but it can't have it
>> both ways.
> 
> It represents us all because in international eyes it is the largest UK
> society.

It cannot represent non-members without their consent, I think Ofcom are
realising this too.

> 
> Create a bigger and better one and you are quids in.
> 
>> Either stop claiming to represent non-members or allow non-members
>> access to details they currently are not permitted to see.
> 
> Either join the RSGB or an affiliated club to access their machinations if you
> so desire.

I want to do neither. If Ofcom want my opinion they can solicit it
without me needing to be a member, indeed I respond when I see something
I wish to comment on.

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Brian

Dave@Nothere.com wrote:

>
>>The elephant in the room here is that no representation is needed at
>>international level, as radio is regulated through international
>>treaties via the legal framework of individual countries. Witness the
>>dumbing-down of the Morse qualification against the spirit of those
>>regulations.
>
>OK I get it at the IARU and WRC we take what everyone else works for

Input to the WRC is via governmental channels through OFCOM - see
previous post for how effective, and how representative, this has
been.

The IARU is unimportant; merely a club of clubs.

>>Direct representation to OFCOM 
>
>Only if it costs them nothing

That remark lies somewhere beteen the trite and the peurile.


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from
Aero Spike

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:28:43 +0100, Spike <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote:

>That remark lies somewhere beteen the trite and the peurile.

I am beginning to think you are 12 WPM

Brian Morrison wrote:

>Dave@Nothere.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:14:24 +0100, Brian Morrison 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> RSGB claims to represent all UK radio amateurs, but it can't have it
>>> both ways.
>> 
>> It represents us all because in international eyes it is the largest UK
>> society.
>
>It cannot represent non-members without their consent, I think Ofcom are
>realising this too.
>
>> 
>> Create a bigger and better one and you are quids in.
>> 
>>> Either stop claiming to represent non-members or allow non-members
>>> access to details they currently are not permitted to see.
>> 
>> Either join the RSGB or an affiliated club to access their machinations if you
>> so desire.
>
>I want to do neither. If Ofcom want my opinion they can solicit it
>without me needing to be a member, indeed I respond when I see something
>I wish to comment on.

I think this is the real elephant in the room here; the last OFCOM
consultations have been far better responded to than RSGB surveys;
more representative than self-selected RSGB policies; and showed the
RSGB to be so far out of touch even its own members were against them.

The RSGB seem to be rewriting history to obliterate this massive
defeat for their policies, much in the style of the OP.


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from
Aero Spike

Dave@Nothere.com wrote:

>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:28:43 +0100, Spike <Aero.Spike@S&T.invalid> wrote:
>
>>That remark lies somewhere beteen the trite and the peurile.
>
>I am beginning to think you are 12 WPM

I'm beginning to think 12 WPM is the former 'RVMJ' - see previous
posting on this.

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from
Aero Spike

Brian Morrison wrote:

> It cannot represent non-members without their consent, I think Ofcom are
> realising this too.

Ofcom are well aware of this, having dealt with them recently they are, 
shall we say, less than enamoured with the RSGB.