Anybody Fromeing on Sunday?

(As opposed to foaming-at-the-mouth as is Mrs.Nugatory today!)

"12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Anybody Fromeing on Sunday?
>
> (As opposed to foaming-at-the-mouth as is Mrs.Nugatory today!)
>
>

I may toddle along with my YL.
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"Brian MW0GKX"  wrote in message
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> "12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:g403qm$s9u$1@news.albasani.net...
>> Anybody Fromeing on Sunday?
>> (As opposed to foaming-at-the-mouth as is Mrs.Nugatory today!)
>
> I may toddle along with my YL.

Well, I don't associate with those who have a history of originating
infantile abuse, and especially not with members from that section
of society who hold, or who have ever held, a licence issued under the
gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:45:58 +0100, "Brian MW0GKX"
 wrote:

>I may toddle along with my YL.

"And the brass will crash,
And the trumpets bray,
And they'll cut a dash
On their wedding day.
She'll toddle away, as all aver,
With the Lord High Executioner!"

[W.S. Gilbert, 1885]

73 de Wlat

-- 
Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

"12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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> "Brian MW0GKX"  wrote in message
> news:Mi59k.153735$9x.117012@newsfe05.ams2...
>> "12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:g403qm$s9u$1@news.albasani.net...
>>> Anybody Fromeing on Sunday?
>>> (As opposed to foaming-at-the-mouth as is Mrs.Nugatory today!)
>>
>> I may toddle along with my YL.
>
> Well, I don't associate with those who have a history of originating
> infantile abuse, and especially not with members from that section
> of society who hold, or who have ever held, a licence issued under the
> gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme.
>

The RSGB must be knee deep in applications for M3 training courses and that 
is just from sheep.

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:49:08 +0100, Walt Davidson
 wrote:


>"And the brass will crash,
>And the trumpets bray,
>And they'll cut a dash
>On their wedding day.
>She'll toddle away, as all aver,
>With the Lord High Executioner!"
>
>[W.S. Gilbert, 1885]
>
>73 de Wlat


So we reached the square on the top of the hill
and the music stopped and we stood still
and a few were saved and the people said
Amen

Then we all got up and we formed a queue
and the drums went BANG as the trumpets blew
and we marched back down into the town again.

[Cook, Flowers & Greenaway) 1971-ish.


There's no mink like a Blue Mink.  :-)

Nick.

"Walt Davidson"  wrote in message 
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> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:45:58 +0100, "Brian MW0GKX"
>  wrote:
>
>>I may toddle along with my YL.
>
> "And the brass will crash,
> And the trumpets bray,
> And they'll cut a dash
> On their wedding day.
> She'll toddle away, as all aver,
> With the Lord High Executioner!"
>
> [W.S. Gilbert, 1885]
>
> 73 de Wlat
>

You've met her then?

>>> Anybody Fromeing on Sunday?
>>> (As opposed to foaming-at-the-mouth as is Mrs.Nugatory today!)
>>
>> I may toddle along with my YL.
>
> Well, I don't associate with those who have a history of originating
> infantile abuse, and especially not with members from that section
> of society who hold, or who have ever held, a licence issued under the
> gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme.
>
>

Then, prey tell, why ask?

"Brian MW0GKX"  wrote in message 
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>>>> Anybody Fromeing on Sunday?
>>>> (As opposed to foaming-at-the-mouth as is Mrs.Nugatory today!)
>>> I may toddle along with my YL.
>> Well, I don't associate with those who have a history of originating
>> infantile abuse, and especially not with members from that section
>> of society who hold, or who have ever held, a licence issued under the
>> gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme.
>
> Then, prey tell, why ask?

"prey" ?????

I asked so that _REAL_ Radio Hams from the gentlemanly traditions
might identify themselves as attending.

I have no interest in meeting those like yourself who have a history
of interjecting abusive remarks.

">
> "prey" ?????
>
the action or habit of preying: a beast of prey.

Relates to the, I will admit, expected:
 "> Well, I don't associate with those who have a history of originating
> infantile abuse, and especially not with members from that section
> of society who hold, or who have ever held, a licence issued under the
> gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme."

i.e. you prey on persons that you deem unworthy.


> I asked so that _REAL_ Radio Hams from the gentlemanly traditions
> might identify themselves as attending.
>

Define "_REAL_ Radio Hams" (your meaning of the phrase)

> I have no interest in meeting those like yourself who have a history
> of interjecting abusive remarks.
>

and the abuse, in this case, was??

OK I admit that you have driven me to extreme measures previously, but what 
is abusive about my innocent and factual reply to your question that you 
made to ALL people that read this group?

If you wish that only _CERTAIN_ people reply is it not polite to mention 
that in your post?

"Brian MW0GKX"  wrote in message 
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>
>> I have no interest in meeting those like yourself who have a history
>> of interjecting abusive remarks.
>
> OK I admit that you have driven me to extreme measures previously,

QED

"12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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> "Brian MW0GKX"  wrote in message 
> news:MHw9k.77092$7m7.8030@newsfe30.ams2...
>>
>>> I have no interest in meeting those like yourself who have a history
>>> of interjecting abusive remarks.
>>
>> OK I admit that you have driven me to extreme measures previously,
>
> QED
>
>

I note that the questions I asked remain unanswered:

Define "_REAL_ Radio Hams" (your meaning of the phrase)

and

If you wish that only _CERTAIN_ people reply is it not polite to mention
that in your post?

"Brian MW0GKX"  wrote in message 
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>
> Define "_REAL_ Radio Hams"

Since you ask, try the following FAQ ...

-----ooooo-----


Q. How many exams do I have to pass to qualify as a Radio Ham?

A. 6. The Fools' Licence practical, the Fools' Licence exam,
the Fools' Licence Morse "Appreciation", the Idiots' Licence
practical, the Idiots' Licence exam and the Retarded exam.

-----ooooo-----

Q. Did all those who are set in place as my examiners have to pass 6 exams?

A. No. The person in charge, The Lead Instructor, Amateur Radio
(L.I.A.R.) who exhorts you to tackle all 6 was either too lazy or
too stupid, or both, himself to be able to tackle and then pass the 12 WPM 
Morse
test that otherwise-unqualified self-taught 14-year-olds were
taking in their stride, despite that he had 25+ years available
to him.

The L.I.A.R. only passed one exam.

-----ooooo-----

Q. Why didn't the L.I.A.R. tackle the 12WPM Morse Test if he had so
many years in which to do it?

A. He said that he was opposed to the use of a Morse Test to control
access to the HF bands. That is, until a no-fail test was brought
in, the Fools' Licence Morse Appreciation, that even he could not fail.

-----ooooo-----

Q. Surely the L.I.A.R. took out a licence issued under the gangrenous
degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme precisely because
he was the leading light in that scheme?

A. No. When the second class men, the Class B licensees, were given access
to the HF bands, the L.I.A.R let his M3/CB licence lapse. When challenged
as to whether he had renewed his M3/CB Fools' Licence, he retorted "Why 
would I?"

-----ooooo-----

Q. Do all countries require you to pass 6 exams?

A. No. The RSCB provide a single-stage exam to be used in
some countries.

-----ooooo-----

Q. Does that mean that the RSCB and its directors are criminals
who are guilty of racism?

A. Yes.

-----ooooo-----

Q. If I am already professionally qualified, do I gain exemption
from the lower levels?

A. No.

-----ooooo-----

Q. Why is this?

A. It is for the express purpose of filling the coffers of the RSCB.

-----ooooo-----

Q. Can I sit all the exams at one sitting?

A. No. You have to prove that you have passed all the practical
exams before even being allowed to register for the later stages.

-----ooooo-----

Q. Is that rule applied across the board?

A. No. if you are a buddy of the RSCB, then you can arrange to
sit all the exams in one day in advance even though you have
not produced any evidence of having fulfilled the practical
requirements.

-----ooooo-----

Q. Doesn't that mean that those who make the rules for these
national exams break the very same rules?

A. Yes.

-----ooooo-----

Q. That stinks of corruption. Doesn't that mean that the RSCB
and all its directors are criminals?

A. Yes.

-----ooooo-----

Q. What is Ham Radio?

A. Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP
and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----OOOOO----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults.


-----ooooo-----

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also use a CB set safe in the knowledge that
such use says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
Ham Radio and CB Radio. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind.

Ham Radio is not CB Radio and has no common ground with it!
Ham Radio is _THE_ technical pursuit for gentlemen; CB Radio
is the name for the operating hobby for those who buy their
rigs and equipment off the shelf.

-----ooooo-----

If you are the sort of person who is motivated by
a technical interest in how things work; if you took apart
malfunctioning clocks, toasters and the like and put them
right despite never having seen them working, then
a Ham Radio licence is your traditional route! There has
never  been a shortage of such people, and those who gravitate
towards such an interest have always been welcomed into
our shacks and their interests fostered. There is not today,
nor has there ever been, a need to go out and encourage
and press children, children who have never expressed an
interest in Ham Radio, to come into our shacks. Such an
activity should cause eyebrows to be raised - what
normal well-adjusted adults seek the social acquaintance
of children?!

-----ooooo-----

Please remember that this FAQ is a _POSITIVE EXHORTATION_
to you to exert yourselves to join our fraternity!

Brian MW0GKX wrote:

>
>"12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
>news:g4691a$fuk$1@news.albasani.net...
>> "Brian MW0GKX"  wrote in message 
>> news:MHw9k.77092$7m7.8030@newsfe30.ams2...
>>>
>>>> I have no interest in meeting those like yourself who have a history
>>>> of interjecting abusive remarks.
>>>
>>> OK I admit that you have driven me to extreme measures previously,
>>
>> QED
>
>I note that the questions I asked remain unanswered:
>
>Define "_REAL_ Radio Hams" (your meaning of the phrase)

Well, that's likely to be very difficult.

A brief look back over the ever-changing feast that comprises the
definition as published by its only proponent will show that
'operating' has been decried as a 'CB'activity, then praised for the
skills it brings to the favoured group; and this cycle has repeated a
number of times. I'm not sure whether it is favoured or not at the
present time.

There never has been a consistent definition, and any that is claimed
as such is sure to change later.

Perhaps that it is why it only retains one member.

HTH



-- 
from
Aero Spike
"I have stated my opinion. Note that I am not obliged to produce
 evidence for the opinions that I hold. I have stated my opinion
 and there is no room for further opinionating or opining"

"12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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>>
>> Define "_REAL_ Radio Hams"

Snipped lots to get to the relevent:

> One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
> from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
> difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
> perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
> perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
> no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
> GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
> could also use a CB set safe in the knowledge that
> such use says no more about him than having a land-line
> telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
> technical pursuit.



Yes, that's me.



> A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
> Ham Radio and CB Radio. To him, they are
> sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
> tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
> Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind.


I agree there.



> Ham Radio is not CB Radio and has no common ground with it!
> Ham Radio is _THE_ technical pursuit for gentlemen; CB Radio
> is the name for the operating hobby for those who buy their
> rigs and equipment off the shelf.


I'd go along with that to some extent, although I'd say that it is a bit 
difficult to home brew a D-STAR compatable transceiver at the moment, unless 
you have something technical you can share in this direction?


> If you are the sort of person who is motivated by
> a technical interest in how things work; if you took apart
> malfunctioning clocks, toasters and the like and put them
> right despite never having seen them working, then
> a Ham Radio licence is your traditional route! There has
> never  been a shortage of such people, and those who gravitate
> towards such an interest have always been welcomed into
> our shacks and their interests fostered.

Why thank you, that last paragraph is a perfect description of me.
Just last week I multiplexed digital, audio and control data for my radio 
down 1 cable, making mobile installation of the equipment that much easier.

Therefore, by _YOUR_ standards, I must be a _REAL_ Radio Ham.
Just unfortunate enough to have come through the "gangrenous degeneration 
that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme" and also, unfortunately, unable to 
suffer fools who spout cr*p for long. I'm sure you understand OM, surely 
you've released a verbal tirade at someone that annoyed you before?

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:24:17 +0100, "Brian MW0GKX"  wrote:

>I'd go along with that to some extent, although I'd say that it is a bit 
>difficult to home brew a D-STAR compatable transceiver at the moment, unless 
>you have something technical you can share in this direction?

Hmm.  This D-Star is supposed to be an open standard..  Off to write a letter,
I'm going to request the specification with the building of just such in mind.

Chance of a reply from the manufacturer ............. zero methinks.

wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:24:17 +0100, "Brian MW0GKX"  
> wrote:
>
>>I'd go along with that to some extent, although I'd say that it is a bit
>>difficult to home brew a D-STAR compatable transceiver at the moment, 
>>unless
>>you have something technical you can share in this direction?
>
> Hmm.  This D-Star is supposed to be an open standard..  Off to write a 
> letter,
> I'm going to request the specification with the building of just such in 
> mind.
>
> Chance of a reply from the manufacturer ............. zero methinks.

I have a contact (an MW3 none the less!) that is looking into decoding via 
PC. He has some technical info and (I believe) just needs to write the 
software around it.

Brian MW0GKX wrote:
>
> 
> I have a contact (an MW3 none the less!) that is looking into decoding via 
> PC. He has some technical info and (I believe) just needs to write the 
> software around it. 
> 
> 
> 

Is this what your looking for http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstarsoftware/

You'll need to register to see the full thing.

Len GM0ONX

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:30:09 +0100, Dave wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:24:17 +0100, "Brian MW0GKX" 
> wrote:
> 
>>I'd go along with that to some extent, although I'd say that it is a bit
>>difficult to home brew a D-STAR compatable transceiver at the moment,
>>unless you have something technical you can share in this direction?
> 
> Hmm.  This D-Star is supposed to be an open standard..  Off to write a
> letter, I'm going to request the specification with the building of just
> such in mind.
> 
> Chance of a reply from the manufacturer ............. zero methinks.

http://www.hackaday.com/2007/06/14/diy-digital-voice-transceiver/

Any use?

"GM0ONX"  wrote in message 
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> Brian MW0GKX wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have a contact (an MW3 none the less!) that is looking into decoding 
>> via PC. He has some technical info and (I believe) just needs to write 
>> the software around it.
>
> Is this what your looking for http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstarsoftware/
>
> You'll need to register to see the full thing.
>
> Len GM0ONX
>
Looks good, Len, thanks for that, I'll make sure he's aware of that group.

I think he's looking into the audio decode as well (AMBE coded audio)

Brian.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:40:48 +0100, Brian MW0GKX wrote:


> I have a contact (an MW3 none the less!) that is looking into decoding
> via PC. He has some technical info and (I believe) just needs to write
> the software around it.

http://www.moetronix.com/dvdongle/index.htm

Any use?

Brian MW0GKX wrote:
> "GM0ONX"  wrote in message 
> news:g4b2bc$om6$1@news.albasani.net...
>> Brian MW0GKX wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a contact (an MW3 none the less!) that is looking into decoding 
>>> via PC. He has some technical info and (I believe) just needs to write 
>>> the software around it.
>> Is this what your looking for http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dstarsoftware/
>>
>> You'll need to register to see the full thing.
>>
>> Len GM0ONX
>>
> Looks good, Len, thanks for that, I'll make sure he's aware of that group.
> 
> I think he's looking into the audio decode as well (AMBE coded audio)


AMBE?  Isn't that proprietary?  From the wikipedia entry at 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Multi-Band_Excitation

"Advanced Multi-Band Excitation (AMBE) is a proprietary speech coding 
standard developed by Digital Voice Systems, Inc.".....

and

"Licensing: AMBE requires a license from Digital Voice Systems, Inc.. 
While a licensing fee is due for most codecs, DVSI does not disclose 
software licensing terms. Anecdotal evidence suggests a minimum fee from 
$100,000 to $1 Million. PC implementations are not allowed. For the 
purposes of comparison, MP3's licensing starts at $15,000. For 
small-scale use and prototyping, the only option is to purchase a 
dedicated hardware IC from DVSI".

Just why is AMBE being used in amateur radio applications?

"class_a"  wrote in message 
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> AMBE?  Isn't that proprietary?  From the wikipedia entry at 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Multi-Band_Excitation
> "Advanced Multi-Band Excitation (AMBE) is a proprietary speech coding 
> standard developed by Digital Voice Systems, Inc.".....
> "Licensing: AMBE requires a license from Digital Voice Systems, Inc.. 
> While a licensing fee is due for most codecs, DVSI does not disclose 
> software licensing terms. Anecdotal evidence suggests a minimum fee from 
> $100,000 to $1 Million. PC implementations are not allowed. For the 
> purposes of comparison, MP3's licensing starts at $15,000. For small-scale 
> use and prototyping, the only option is to purchase a dedicated hardware 
> IC from DVSI".
> Just why is AMBE being used in amateur radio applications?

It isn't.

It's being used in Cheque Book (CB) applications.

No CBer understands the internals of his rig nor is interested
in finding out. Evidence of that is one M3/CBer in this NG who
purported to be a "Rig Doctor" but then ended up begging for
help with the most elementary of electrical questions prior to
his recent attacking of the Retards' Exam.

"class_a"  wrote in message
 news:YcednaFJyuSoEPTVnZ2dnUVZ_tvinZ2d@comcast.com...
> AMBE?  Isn't that proprietary?  From the wikipedia entry at 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Multi-Band_Excitation
> "Advanced Multi-Band Excitation (AMBE) is a proprietary speech coding 
> standard developed by Digital Voice Systems, Inc.".....
> "Licensing: AMBE requires a license from Digital Voice Systems, Inc.. 
> While a licensing fee is due for most codecs, DVSI does not disclose 
> software licensing terms. Anecdotal evidence suggests a minimum fee from 
> $100,000 to $1 Million. PC implementations are not allowed. For the 
> purposes of comparison, MP3's licensing starts at $15,000. For small-scale 
> use and prototyping, the only option is to purchase a dedicated hardware 
> IC from DVSI".

Those costs do not apply to those producing a design for private interest 
for
non-commercial use

"12 WPM Class A" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message 
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>> Just why is AMBE being used in amateur radio applications?
>
> It isn't.
>
> It's being used in Cheque Book (CB) applications.
>
> No CBer understands the internals of his rig nor is interested
> in finding out.

Does that include those who, unable to tune a PA, don't seek out the 
information to learn how to do it?

"Brian Reay"  wrote in message
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>
>
> Does that include those who, unable to tune a PA, don't seek out the
> information to learn how to do it?

When someone as self-important as are you sets out to cause insult,
the only person he abuses is himself.

Why are you so public a self-abuser, OM?

Brian Remy wrote:

> Does that include those who, unable to tune a PA, don't seek out the 
> information to learn how to do it?
> 
> 

Did that remark make you feel big and clever?  You have been harping on 
with the same dig for years.

Steve H