Is AVG  free really going this time or is this their once a year scare 
tactic to try and get you to buy something ? ....

Jimbo ...Every Silver Lining Has A Cloud wrote:
> Is AVG  free really going this time or is this their once a year scare 
> tactic to try and get you to buy something ? .... 
> 
> 

It's still available as a free version but you have to search the site 
to find it, most links take you to the 1 month free trial of the full suite.

http://free.grisoft.com/ww.download-avg-anti-virus-free-edition

HTH

Steve H

> It's still available as a free version but you have to search the site
> to find it, most links take you to the 1 month free trial of the full 
> suite.

do they not say there are not updating it ......?

limbo ...Every Silver Lining Has A Cloud wrote:
>> It's still available as a free version but you have to search the site
>> to find it, most links take you to the 1 month free trial of the full 
>> suite.
> 
> do they not say there are not updating it ......? 
> 
> 

Has brain been teaching you English?

Stev eH

limbo ...Every Silver Lining Has A Cloud wrote:
>> It's still available as a free version but you have to search the site
>> to find it, most links take you to the 1 month free trial of the full 
>> suite.
> 
> do they not say there are not updating it ......? 
> 
> 

The new version loaded ok and updated my machine OK, seems to run a bit 
faster than the old version.

Steve H

On Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:58:25 +0100, Jimbo ...Every Silver Lining Has A
Cloud wrote:

> Is AVG  free really going this time or is this their once a year scare 
> tactic to try and get you to buy something ? ....

Version 8 doesn't work properly if you have FAT32 file system, only with
NTFS. A fix has been promised during June but nothing yet. V7.5 is still
being updated here.

Steve

>> do they not say there are not updating it ......?
>>
>>
>
> Has brain been teaching you English?
>
> Stev eH

do you think he could ? .........

"Jimbo ...Every Silver Lining Has A Cloud"  wrote 
in message news:h6H8k.189151$M63.118505@newsfe13.ams2...
> Is AVG  free really going this time or is this their once a year scare 
> tactic to try and get you to buy something ? ....
>
Why not try the new version of free Avast 4 home
http://www.avast.com/eng/download-avast-home.html

Steve Terry

AVG 8 just about stopped my old pc with only 384Meg of RAM dead in its
tracks. Changed to Avast, speed? back and just does the basics very
well and efficiently. Will continue to use it until they decide to
"improve" it.

David

david-at-minicat.co.uk wrote:
> AVG 8 just about stopped my old pc with only 384Meg of RAM dead in its
> tracks. Changed to Avast, speed? back and just does the basics very
> well and efficiently. Will continue to use it until they decide to
> "improve" it.

Or just run linux and don't worry about anti virus software at all :)

> Version 8 doesn't work properly if you have FAT32 file system, only with
> NTFS. A fix has been promised during June but nothing yet. V7.5 is still
> being updated here.
>
> Steve

wish I knew what that meant ..... DIGITAL init ?

Well that is AVG 8.0.101 working on three machines now.....had to stick 
service pork 2 on one of them though .........

"james stewart"  wrote in message
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>
>> Version 8 doesn't work properly if you have FAT32 file system, only with
>> NTFS. A fix has been promised during June but nothing yet. V7.5 is still
>> being updated here.
>> Steve
>
> wish I knew what that meant ..... DIGITAL init ?
>
Having recently extensively covered FAT32 and NTFS in CompTIA A+
i can expertly confirm that, Yes it is Digital.

and therefore should be avoided at all costs by mad Scotsmen

Steve Terry

"class_a"  wrote in message 
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> david-at-minicat.co.uk wrote:
>> AVG 8 just about stopped my old pc with only 384Meg of RAM dead in its
>> tracks. Changed to Avast, speed? back and just does the basics very
>> well and efficiently. Will continue to use it until they decide to
>> "improve" it.
>
> Or just run linux and don't worry about anti virus software at all :)
>
Nor worry about running any real world applications either

Steve Terry

jimbo's ebay warehouse... wrote:

> Well that is AVG 8.0.101 working on three machines now.....had to stick 
> service pork 2 on one of them though ......... 
> 
> 
Oh! You had that problem too. My computer told me that I was running 
windoze 2000 and I needed service pack 4.

I didn't put survival pax 2 on cos it knocked out my Nero 6. Running 
Nero 7 now, so no bother. Pax 2 on pc and everything looks like working OK.

Is aversion to digital catching?

Dave

Steve Terry wrote:
> "class_a"  wrote in message 
> news:h5Cdnbf9Mrzfbv7VnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> david-at-minicat.co.uk wrote:
>>> AVG 8 just about stopped my old pc with only 384Meg of RAM dead in its
>>> tracks. Changed to Avast, speed? back and just does the basics very
>>> well and efficiently. Will continue to use it until they decide to
>>> "improve" it.
>> Or just run linux and don't worry about anti virus software at all :)
>>
> Nor worry about running any real world applications either

Uh-huh!  Funny I can manage to do my e-mail, surf the web, use a 
complete office suite, touch-up digital photographs, burn CDs/DVDs etc 
on this linux box which is about all I ever did on a Windows box.  Just 
which 'real world applications' would you be referring to?

"class_a"  wrote in message 
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> Steve Terry wrote:
>> "class_a"  wrote in message 
>> news:h5Cdnbf9Mrzfbv7VnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> david-at-minicat.co.uk wrote:
>>>> AVG 8 just about stopped my old pc with only 384Meg of RAM dead in its
>>>> tracks. Changed to Avast, speed? back and just does the basics very
>>>> well and efficiently. Will continue to use it until they decide to
>>>> "improve" it.
>>> Or just run linux and don't worry about anti virus software at all :)
>>>
>> Nor worry about running any real world applications either
>
> Uh-huh!  Funny I can manage to do my e-mail, surf the web, use a complete 
> office suite, touch-up digital photographs, burn CDs/DVDs etc on this 
> linux box which is about all I ever did on a Windows box.  Just which 
> 'real world applications' would you be referring to?
>
>
All the ones i don't have to worry about working on XP

Steve Terry

Steve Terry wrote:
> "class_a"  wrote in message 
> news:h5CdnbL9MrzCiPnVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>> "class_a"  wrote in message 
>>> news:h5Cdnbf9Mrzfbv7VnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>> david-at-minicat.co.uk wrote:
>>>>> AVG 8 just about stopped my old pc with only 384Meg of RAM dead in its
>>>>> tracks. Changed to Avast, speed? back and just does the basics very
>>>>> well and efficiently. Will continue to use it until they decide to
>>>>> "improve" it.
>>>> Or just run linux and don't worry about anti virus software at all :)
>>>>
>>> Nor worry about running any real world applications either
>> Uh-huh!  Funny I can manage to do my e-mail, surf the web, use a complete 
>> office suite, touch-up digital photographs, burn CDs/DVDs etc on this 
>> linux box which is about all I ever did on a Windows box.  Just which 
>> 'real world applications' would you be referring to?
>>
>>
> All the ones i don't have to worry about working on XP

Well, I have to worry even less about those on linux!  No viruses, not 
spyware, no blue screens.....  :)

"class_a"  wrote in message 
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> Steve Terry wrote:
>> "class_a"  wrote in message 
>> news:h5CdnbL9MrzCiPnVnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Steve Terry wrote:
>>>> "class_a"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:h5Cdnbf9Mrzfbv7VnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>>>> david-at-minicat.co.uk wrote:
>>>>>> AVG 8 just about stopped my old pc with only 384Meg of RAM dead in 
>>>>>> its
>>>>>> tracks. Changed to Avast, speed? back and just does the basics very
>>>>>> well and efficiently. Will continue to use it until they decide to
>>>>>> "improve" it.
>>>>> Or just run linux and don't worry about anti virus software at all :)
>>>>>
>>>> Nor worry about running any real world applications either
>>> Uh-huh!  Funny I can manage to do my e-mail, surf the web, use a 
>>> complete office suite, touch-up digital photographs, burn CDs/DVDs etc 
>>> on this linux box which is about all I ever did on a Windows box.  Just 
>>> which 'real world applications' would you be referring to?
>>>
>> All the ones i don't have to worry about working on XP
>
> Well, I have to worry even less about those on linux!  No viruses, not 
> spyware, no blue screens.....  :)
>
No real applications

Steve Terry

> Oh! You had that problem too. My computer told me that I was running
> windoze 2000 and I needed service pack 4.
>
> I didn't put survival pax 2 on cos it knocked out my Nero 6. Running Nero 
> 7 now, so no bother. Pax 2 on pc and everything looks like working OK.
>
> Is aversion to digital catching?
>
> Dave

latest skype update was telling me I needed pac man 2 as well........I HATE 
DIGITAL THINGS ...but I wont let them beat me ........well I did years ago 
when I burnt a gateway computer out the back door....I felt better after 
that......

> Having recently extensively covered FAT32 and NTFS in CompTIA A+
> i can expertly confirm that, Yes it is Digital.
>
> and therefore should be avoided at all costs by mad Scotsmen
>
> Steve Terry
>

thanks for the advice .........

Steve Terry wrote:

> All the ones i don't have to worry about working on XP
> 
> Steve Terry
> 
> 
Instead of the usual piss take why not be helpful and name all the
things that can be done on XP that can't be done on Linux. That way
you will appear to smart rather than just clever.

About the only thing I can think that I can't do on Linux of is 
de-frag! Wonder why.

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"Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
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> "james stewart"  wrote in message
> news:qrT8k.45356$aE7.28277@newsfe16.ams2...
>>
>>> Version 8 doesn't work properly if you have FAT32 file system, only with
>>> NTFS. A fix has been promised during June but nothing yet. V7.5 is still
>>> being updated here.
>>> Steve
>>
>> wish I knew what that meant ..... DIGITAL init ?
>>
> Having recently extensively covered FAT32 and NTFS in CompTIA A+


CompTIA A+  Jeez, the Foundation exam of the computer world!

http://certification.comptia.org/a/default.aspx

On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:54:48 +0100, M0WYM 
wrote:

>Instead of the usual piss take why not be helpful and name all the
>things that can be done on XP that can't be done on Linux.

Use my Lexmark printer.

Use my Lexmark scanner.

Use my Canon 35mm negative scanner.

Use industry standard office packages, such as Microsoft Office.

Use THE industry-standard web browser, complete with Java plug-ins,
etc.

Use THE industry standard media player.

Use Nero 7 CD and DVD handling software.

Use iTunes shop.

... the list goes on and on.

73 de G3NYY

-- 
Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

> ... the list goes on and on.
>
> 73 de G3NYY
>
What about your Zen MP3 ?........

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:33:06 +0100, "Jimbo ...Every Silver Lining Has
A Cloud"  wrote:

>
>> ... the list goes on and on.
>>
>> 73 de G3NYY
>>
>What about your Zen MP3 ?........ 

Yes, that as well.  It uses a Windows package called Creative
Mediasource Organiser.  That doesn't work in Linux either.

As I said ... the list goes on and on.

73 de Wlat

-- 
Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:01:23 +0100
Walt Davidson  wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:33:06 +0100, "Jimbo ...Every Silver Lining Has
> A Cloud"  wrote:
> 
> >
> >> ... the list goes on and on.
> >>
> >> 73 de G3NYY
> >>
> >What about your Zen MP3 ?........ 
> 
> Yes, that as well.  It uses a Windows package called Creative
> Mediasource Organiser.  That doesn't work in Linux either.
> 
> As I said ... the list goes on and on.

Oddly, none of the software I use on my Linux boxen works on Windows
unless it's been recompiled to do so....

-- 

Brian Morrison

bdm at fenrir dot org dot uk

   "Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud;
    after a while you realize you are muddy and the pig is enjoying it."
    
GnuPG key ID DE32E5C5 - http://wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net/pgpnet/wwwkeys.html

Jimbo ...Every Silver Lining Has A Cloud wrote:
>> ... the list goes on and on.
>>
>> 73 de G3NYY
>>
> What about your Zen MP3 ?........ 
> 
> 
My Creative Zen works fine in Linux, although I have no idea how you 
knew I had one!


-- 
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www.radiowymsey.org

Wymsey - Ten years Old!
www.wymsey.co.uk

Brian Morrison wrote:
>
> 
> Oddly, none of the software I use on my Linux boxen works on
> Windows unless it's been recompiled to do so....
> 

Indeed, what I quite clearly wrote was "name all the
things that can be done on XP that can't be done on Linux"

Only a complete novice would expect a Windows program to run under 
Linux.
(Without some kind of intermediary.)


Charlie.

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> My Creative Zen works fine in Linux, although I have no idea how you
> knew I had one!
>
>
neither did walt .....

"Me"  wrote in message 
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> "Steve Terry"  wrote in message 
> news:g41243$ph6$1@news.albasani.net...
>> "james stewart"  wrote in message
>> news:qrT8k.45356$aE7.28277@newsfe16.ams2...
>>>
>>>> Version 8 doesn't work properly if you have FAT32 file system, only 
>>>> with
>>>> NTFS. A fix has been promised during June but nothing yet. V7.5 is 
>>>> still
>>>> being updated here.
>>>> Steve
>>>
>>> wish I knew what that meant ..... DIGITAL init ?
>>>
>> Having recently extensively covered FAT32 and NTFS in CompTIA A+
>
> CompTIA A+  Jeez, the Foundation exam of the computer world!
>
> http://certification.comptia.org/a/default.aspx
>
>
I think ECDL level 1 gets that honour

Steve Terry

Walt Davidson wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:54:48 +0100, M0WYM 
> wrote:
> 
>> Instead of the usual piss take why not be helpful and name all the
>> things that can be done on XP that can't be done on Linux.
> 
> Use my Lexmark printer.
> 
> Use my Lexmark scanner.

You can't blame linux if a manufacturer doesn't support their own product!

> Use my Canon 35mm negative scanner.

You can't blame linux if a manufacturer doesn't support their own 
product!  Canon are notorious for this!

> Use industry standard office packages, such as Microsoft Office.

Openoffice will do everything that Microsoft Office will for 99% of users.

> Use THE industry-standard web browser, complete with Java plug-ins,
> etc.

HTML is THE industry standard, not IE.  If a browser (IE) doesn't 
conform fully to that standard, then it is NOT standard.  Also, you 
cannot blame linux if a web author writes a web page to suit a non 
industry standard browser (IE).

> Use THE industry standard media player.

I could give you a very long list of linux based media players that will 
do the same as the WMP.

> Use Nero 7 CD and DVD handling software.

K3b will do all that Nero will do (and then some).

> Use iTunes shop.

Does the iTunes shop web interface conform to industry standards (ie 
HTML)?  If not, then you can't blame linux for it not working correctly.

> ... the list goes on and on.

You seem to be blaming a lot of stuff on linux that has nothing to do 
with it.....

"class_a"  wrote in message 
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> Walt Davidson wrote:
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:54:48 +0100, M0WYM 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Instead of the usual piss take why not be helpful and name all the
>>> things that can be done on XP that can't be done on Linux.
>>
>> Use my Lexmark printer.
>>
>> Use my Lexmark scanner.
>
> You can't blame linux if a manufacturer doesn't support their own product!
>

Manufacturers will support OSs which they deem commercially viable. I doubt 
many, for example, supply drivers for OS2.

I seem to recall an advertisement by Lexmark that they are the largest 
supplier of printers to banks. That rather suggests a decent sized customer 
base. One assumes the banks don't use Linux, I wonder why?


-- 
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk

class_a wrote:
>You can't blame linux if a manufacturer doesn't support their own product!
>You can't blame linux if a manufacturer doesn't support their own 
>Also, you cannot blame linux if a web author writes a web page to suit a non 
>You seem to be blaming a lot of stuff on linux that has nothing to do 
>with it.....



There didn't appear to be any blame being directed at Linux itself -
it has its uses - but (as asked) Walt did give a comprehensive list of
things he could do on a Windows platform, and not on a Linux one.

To keep it "radio" related - there is no IRLP node application which
runs on a Windows platform - it has to be Linux!



-- 
73, Chris
G4FZN

On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:07:41 -0400, class_a 
wrote:

>You seem to be blaming a lot of stuff on linux that has nothing to do 
>with it.....

Not at all.  I just prefer to use the market-leading software.  Not
pale imitations of every package.

You cannot expect hardware manufacturers to provide drivers for every
tin-pot, minority-interest OS.

The reality of it is that some people are too tight-fisted to pay for
their software.

73 de G3NYY

-- 
Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:19:58 +0100, Chris Kirby 
wrote:

>To keep it "radio" related - there is no IRLP node application which
>runs on a Windows platform - it has to be Linux!

What on earth is IRLP?

73 de G3NYY

-- 
Walt Davidson                               Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

On 2008-06-29, Brian Reay <see@website.invalid> wrote:
> I seem to recall an advertisement by Lexmark that they are the largest 
> supplier of printers to banks. That rather suggests a decent sized customer 
> base. One assumes the banks don't use Linux, I wonder why?

Banks do use Linux quite a lot.  It's just that they use it in roles
that don't permit printers to be connected.


-- 
Derry

Derry Hamilton wrote:

> 
> Banks do use Linux quite a lot.  It's just that they use it in roles
> that don't permit printers to be connected.
> 
> 
One more reason to hope that your bank is not running windoz:

http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fb121.jpg?w=470&h=500 :)


Charlie.

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In article <zgG9k.136018$8k.127990@newsfe18.ams2>, see@website.invalid 
says...
> 
> 
> "class_a"  wrote in message 
> news:xf6dnSyVT5HAYfvVnZ2dnUVZ_uSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Walt Davidson wrote:
> >> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 22:54:48 +0100, M0WYM 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Instead of the usual piss take why not be helpful and name all the
> >>> things that can be done on XP that can't be done on Linux.
> >>
> >> Use my Lexmark printer.
> >>
> >> Use my Lexmark scanner.
> >
> > You can't blame linux if a manufacturer doesn't support their own product!
> >
> 
> Manufacturers will support OSs which they deem commercially viable. I doubt 
> many, for example, supply drivers for OS2.
> 
> I seem to recall an advertisement by Lexmark that they are the largest 
> supplier of printers to banks. That rather suggests a decent sized customer 
> base. One assumes the banks don't use Linux, I wonder why?
> 

HP is the way in most, and they're all using XP :)

On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 08:28:03 +0100
Walt Davidson  wrote:


> The reality of it is that some people are too tight-fisted to pay for
> their software.

Free software is about speech, not beer.

-- 

Brian Morrison

bdm at fenrir dot org dot uk

   "Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a pig in the mud;
    after a while you realize you are muddy and the pig is enjoying it."
    
GnuPG key ID DE32E5C5 - http://wwwkeys.uk.pgp.net/pgpnet/wwwkeys.html

M0WYM wrote:
> Derry Hamilton wrote:
> 
>>
>> Banks do use Linux quite a lot.  It's just that they use it in roles
>> that don't permit printers to be connected.
>>
>>
> One more reason to hope that your bank is not running windoz:
> 
> http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/fb121.jpg?w=470&h=500 :)

LOL!!!

Walt Davidson wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:07:41 -0400, class_a 
> wrote:
> 
>> You seem to be blaming a lot of stuff on linux that has nothing to do 
>> with it.....
> 
> Not at all.  I just prefer to use the market-leading software.  Not
> pale imitations of every package.

Market leader by volume, not by quality.  A bit like Ford and Rolls 
Royce if you like :)

> You cannot expect hardware manufacturers to provide drivers for every
> tin-pot, minority-interest OS.

A tin-pot, minority-interest OS?  If all the linux boxes that had 
anything to do with the running of the internet were turned off in one 
go, the internet would grind to a halt and you would be wishing for 
their return!  The same applies to banking etc etc

> The reality of it is that some people are too tight-fisted to pay for
> their software.

I will pay for software is it warrants the cost.  Windows does not 
warrant its cost!

Not a dig but a real question. What's Linux like for amateur radio 
software. I.E is there anything similar to MixW, voice keyer or logging 
software with CAT control etc.. Where is the best place to look for it?

Len GM0ONX


>

GM0ONX wrote:
> Not a dig but a real question. What's Linux like for amateur radio 
> software. I.E is there anything similar to MixW, voice keyer or logging 
> software with CAT control etc.. Where is the best place to look for it?

A good place to start to look is 
http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Linux/

GM0ONX wrote:
> Not a dig but a real question. What's Linux like for amateur radio 
> software. I.E is there anything similar to MixW, voice keyer or logging 
> software with CAT control etc.. Where is the best place to look for it?
> 
> Len GM0ONX
> 
> 
>>

If you want to try out Linux for data and logging without installing 
anything on your PC try

http://www.w1hkj.com/flpuppy.html

It runs from the CD and will recognize most of the hardware on my HP 
laptop and all the other computers in the shack and office.  It's not 
the most up to date version of Linux or the best data software available 
for Linux but it will enable you to try it.

The first thing that my surprise you is the speed, even on older 
hardware thing run far faster than windose.

Steve H

GM0ONX wrote:
> Not a dig but a real question. What's Linux like for amateur radio 
> software. I.E is there anything similar to MixW, voice keyer or logging 
> software with CAT control etc.. Where is the best place to look for it?
> 
> Len GM0ONX
> 
> 
>>
Len,

There's some in the Ubuntu repository, other sources:

http://www.dxzone.com/catalog/Software/Linux/

http://www.ac6v.com/software.htm#LIN

http://radio.linux.org.au/

http://members.fortunecity.com/xe1bef/linuxsoftware.htm

I'm sure Google will give you more :)



Charlie.
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