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date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT),    group: uk.philosophy.humanism        back       
does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 12:49:27 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
wrote in message 
news:6d7dd262-3de6-4d10-a1af-24a9ee944ac4@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0

Well, this was a truly great period for Dylan, and I remember seeing this on 
NBC over 30 years ago. Glad you are finally catching up.
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:13:50 -0400   author:   Kingo Gondo

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On 2 Jun, 22:13, "Kingo Gondo"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:6d7dd262-3de6-4d10-a1af-24a9ee944ac4@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0
>
> Well, this was a truly great period for Dylan, and I remember seeing this on
> NBC over 30 years ago. Glad you are finally catching up.

Yes, a brilliant post-modern observation.  Before Dylan,  people had
realised that two wrongs don't make a right,  but it hadn't occurred
to them that two rights don't make a wrong.
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:03:30 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Dave Smith

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On Jun 2, 7:03 pm, Dave Smith  wrote:
> On 2 Jun, 22:13, "Kingo Gondo"  wrote:
> >  wrote:
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0
> > Well, this was a truly great period for Dylan, and I remember seeing this on
> > NBC over 30 years ago. Glad you are finally catching up.
>
> Yes, a brilliant post-modern observation.  Before Dylan,  people had
> realised that two wrongs don't make a right,  but it hadn't occurred
> to them that two rights don't make a wrong.

I think Dylan wrote that line years before the 1976 'Hard Rain'
concert.  Unfortunately, people in these NGs (sorry Mr. Oberman)
don't give any shrift to the "you are right from your side" part.
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:48:21 -0700 (PDT)   author:   calvin

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
calvin wrote:
> On Jun 2, 7:03 pm, Dave Smith  wrote:
> 
>>On 2 Jun, 22:13, "Kingo Gondo"  wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
> I think Dylan wrote that line years before the 1976 'Hard Rain'
> concert.  Unfortunately, people in these NGs (sorry Mr. Oberman)
> don't give any shrift to the "you are right from your side" part.

Well, that's *why* Blob's desperately-practiced Gaza imitation made sure 
to paste one word from every cross-group into the header, just in case--

Unfortunately, here at RAMP-F, we prefer threads about Lincoln's 
doctor's dog...

Derek Janssen
ejanss1@verizon.net
date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 23:51:33 GMT   author:   Derek Janssen

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On Jun 2, 12:49 pm, sirbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0

thanks for posting that.

i think i have it on tape. (not sure, if not, something similar)

bob, please don't call me.

i'm going to be sick.
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:07:38 -0700 (PDT)   author:   The Hysterical Bride

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On Jun 2, 12:49 pm, sirbl...@hotmail.com wrote:

> does the line 'you are right from your
> side and i am right from mine' from the
> hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters
> to ridicule?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0

No not -all- of them, but it may or may not put -some- of these
"quoters" to shame, especially Witt quotes about biase clouding our
clear view of things. In social psychology the line of latitude of
acceptance has been past and the anchor not to be found in those
netherlands. But I am skeptical since niether Witt or Dylan are better
or worse than each other, one is a philosopher and the other a poet/
philosopher/musician, and it would be like comparing apples and
oranges and asking which is beter or worse.

Now to the meaning of the song; One Too Many Mornings: "It's the sound
of someone too smitten by love to harbor regrets, grown too
independent to consider a reunion,"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Times_They_Are_a-Changin%27

Supports for my conclusions;

1. The Latitude of Acceptance is where a person’s personal position
exists along with other alternatives, which are close to the person’s
attitude towards the message.  The latitude of acceptance contains the
“anchor” position, which is the single position that a person finds
the most acceptable. The anchor can lie any where in the latitude of
acceptance, from the most extreme to a probability.  The larger the
latitude of acceptance the easier it is to persuade or impact
(Sheriff, Sheriff, & Nebergall, 1965).

2. The Latitude of Rejection is where objectionable attitudes exist.
These attitudes are rejected because they are furthest from the anchor
point and the person’s personal opinions (Sheriff, Sheriff, &
Nebergall, 1965).

3. The Latitude of Non-commitment is where attitudes that are neither
accepted nor rejected exist.  This latitude is where attitudes of
undecided and no opinion are placed

http://www.ciadvertising.org/student_account/spring_02/adv382j/marykellyharkins/

"Apples and oranges" refers to the idiom "comparing apples and
oranges" or "apples to oranges", which is used to indicate that two
items or groups of items have not been validly compared. The idiom
evokes the apparent differences between items which are popularly
thought to be incomparable or incommensurable, such as apples and
oranges. The idiom may also be used to indicate that a false analogy
has been made between two items, such as where an "apple" is faulted
for not being a good "orange." Conversely, where the comparison or
analogy is valid, the idiom will usually take the form "comparing
apples with apples".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges

...a false analogy consists of an error in the substance of an
argument (the content of the analogy itself), not an error in the
logical structure of the argument. In an analogy, two concepts,
objects, or events proposed to be similar in nature (A and B) are
shown to have some common relationship with another property. The
premise is that A has property X, and thus B must also have property X
(due to the assumed similarity of A and B). In false analogies, though
A and B may be similar in one respect (such as color) they may not
both share property X (e.g. size). Thus, even if bananas and the sun
appear yellow, one could not conclude that they are the same size.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_analogy

Down the street the dogs are barkin'
And the day is a-gettin' dark.
As the night comes in a-fallin',
The dogs 'll lose their bark.
An' the silent night will shatter
From the sounds inside my mind,
For I'm one too many mornings
And a thousand miles behind.

From the crossroads of my doorstep,
My eyes they start to fade,
As I turn my head back to the room
Where my love and I have laid.
An' I gaze back to the street,
The sidewalk and the sign,
And I'm one too many mornings
An' a thousand miles behind.

It's a restless hungry feeling
That don't mean no one no good,
When ev'rything I'm a-sayin'
You can say it just as good.

-------------
You're right from your side,
I'm right from mine.
-----------------

We're both just one too many mornings
An' a thousand miles behind.

http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/onetoomany.html

Is that Alan Ginsberg on the left side of the screen?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=2-xIulyVsG8
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:46:01 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Immortalist

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
http://youtube.com/watch?v=quxB0y9wquk
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wpxzcFe8rOg

http://www.opencourtbooks.com/books_n/bob_dylan.htm
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 22:56:09 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Immortalist

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On Jun 2, 4:51 pm, Derek Janssen  wrote:
> calvin wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 7:03 pm, Dave Smith  wrote:
> >>On 2 Jun, 22:13, "Kingo Gondo"  wrote:
> >>> wrote:
>
> > I think Dylan wrote that line years before the 1976 'Hard Rain'
> > concert.  Unfortunately, people in these NGs (sorry Mr. Oberman)
> > don't give any shrift to the "you are right from your side" part.
>
> Well, that's *why* Blob's desperately-practiced Gaza imitation made sure
> to paste one word from every cross-group into the header, just in case--
>
> Unfortunately, here at RAMP-F, we prefer threads about Lincoln's
> doctor's dog...
>
> Derek Janssen
> ejan...@verizon.net


So was it Morgan Freeman or

Christian Slater	or

Randy Quaid	or

Minnie Driver	 or

ooh, ooh-
Edward Asner!

Yeah, he said that, didn't he?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120696/


TBerk
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:22:34 -0700 (PDT)   author:   TBerk

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On Jun 2, 7:03 pm, Dave Smith  wrote:
> Yes, a brilliant post-modern observation.  Before Dylan,  people had
> realised that two wrongs don't make a right,  but it hadn't occurred
> to them that two rights don't make a wrong.

Yes, but three lefts do make a right.

SunDog
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 23:26:57 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On Jun 2, 3:49 pm, sirbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0

And you know, for years I though he was saying 'you write from your
side and I'll write from mine'.
-GJ
date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 11:43:57 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On Jun 4, 2:43 pm, geminijackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jun 2, 3:49 pm, sirbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0
>
> And you know, for years I though he was saying 'you write from your
> side and I'll write from mine'.

That's the way White House staffers always seem to have heard it.
date: Wed, 4 Jun 2008 12:30:31 -0700 (PDT)   author:   calvin

Re: does the line 'you are right from your side and i am right from mine' from the hard rain vid put all wittgenstein quoters to ridicule?   
On Jun 4, 3:30 pm, calvin  wrote:
> On Jun 4, 2:43 pm, geminijackso...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > On Jun 2, 3:49 pm, sirbl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjf7zmuf1A0
>
> > And you know, for years I though he was saying 'you write from your
> > side and I'll write from mine'.
>
> That's the way White House staffers always seem to have heard it.

You know, that almost makes sense.
-GJ
date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:32:59 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

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