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date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:45:43 GMT,    group: uk.philosophy.humanism        back       
A new low for Islam?   
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7204341.stm

"An Afghan journalist has been sentenced to death by a provincial court
for distributing "blasphemous" material."

It does rather grate that UK troops are in that country attempting to keep
stability, and this is the result...

Mark

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date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:45:43 GMT   author:   unknown

Re: A new low for Islam?   
On Jan 23, 10:45 pm, Mark.Wri...@bristol.ac.uk wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7204341.stm
>
> "An Afghan journalist has been sentenced to death by a provincial court
> for distributing "blasphemous" material."
>
> It does rather grate that UK troops are in that country attempting to keep> stability, and this is the result...
>
I thought that the recent story about how many millions of rounds of
ammunition were being used in Afghanistan removed any suggestion that
there was any stability to keep.

I'm not at all clear why the UK is in Afghanistan.
date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 20:29:58 -0800 (PST)   author:   Peter Brooks

Re: A new low for Islam?   
wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7204341.stm
> 
> "An Afghan journalist has been sentenced to death by a provincial court
> for distributing "blasphemous" material."
> 
Also note from the report that this is the first court out of three. So
what may happen is that the sentence is commuted by a higher court. The
authorities don't forget have to tread a line between different things
and the mullahs are locally powerful. IOW watch this space and now they
know the world is watching...

> It does rather grate that UK troops are in that country attempting to keep
> stability, and this is the result...
> 
Well the UK Troops are in Helmand in the South, nowhwere near Balkh.
Also iirc places like that were Northern Alliance strongholds prior to
the US invasion and there are likely no or few foreign troops there in
an occupying role.

Peter


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date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 08:01:22 GMT   author:   (Peter Ashby)

Re: A new low for Islam?   
So the BBC is still puiblicising stories promoting religious hatred.
So what else is happening which humanists should ignore?

I notice Polly Toynbee is the President of the BHA according to a
Newsnight caption last night, on which she was  'debating' with a
religious person arguing that the Conservative man is sensible to say
that it is right for humanists and atheists to pretend to be devout.
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 11:36:20 -0800 (PST)   author:   John Brockbank

Re: A new low for Islam?   
is very absurd. Let us think it out. Let us imagine those twelve
men, assembled after the death of Jesus Christ, plotting to say that He was
risen. By this they attack all the powers. The heart of man is strangely
inclined to fickleness, to change, to promises, to gain. However little any
of them might have been led astray by all these attractions, nay more, by
the fear of prisons, tortures, and death, they were lost. Let us follow up
this thought.

802. The apostles were either deceived or deceivers. Either supposition has
difficulties; for it is not possible to mistake a man raised from the
dead...

While Jesus Christ was with them, He could sustain them. But, after that, if
He did not appear to them, who inspired them to act?

                         SECTION XIII: THE MIRACLES

803. The beginning.--Miracles enable us to judge of doctrine, and doctrine
enables us to judge of miracles.

There are false miracles and true. There must be a distinction, in order to
know them; otherwise they would be useless. Now they are not useless; on the
contrary, they are fundamental. Now the rule which is given to us must be
such that it does not destroy the proof which the true miracles give of the
truth, which is the chief end of the miracles.

Moses has given two rules: that the pre
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 18:53:09 GMT   author:   John Brockbank

Re: A new low for Islam?   
daily and hourly in
the danger of this great wrath and infinite misery! But this is the
dismal case of every soul in this congregation that has not been born
again, however moral and strict, sober and religious, they may otherwise
be. Oh that you would consider it, whether you be young or old! There is
reason to think, that there are many in this congregation now hearing
this discourse, that will actually be the subjects of this very misery
to all eternity. We know not who they are, or in what seats they sit, or
what thoughts they now have. It may be they are now at ease, and hear
all these things without much disturbance, and are now flattering
themselves that they are not the persons, promising themselves that they
shall escape. If we knew that there was one person, and but one, in the
whole congregation, that was to be the subject of this misery, what an
awful thing would it be to think of! If we knew who it was, what an
awful sight would it be to see such a person! How might all the rest of
the congregation lift up a lamentable and bitter cry over him! But,
alas! inste
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:48:53 GMT   author:   (Peter Ashby)

Re: A new low for Islam?   
promises made of God to poor sinners through
His Son Jesus. And such persons afterwards have had clear and distinct
discoveries of Christ, accompanied with lively and special actings of
faith and love towards Him.

Frequently, when persons have first had the gospel-ground of relief
discovered to them, and have been entertaining their minds with the
sweet prospect, they have thought nothing at that time of their being
converted. To see that there is an all-sufficiency in God, and such
plentiful provision made in Christ, after they have been borne down and
sunk with a sense of their guilt and fears of wrath, exceedingly
refreshes them. The view is joyful to them to seek conversion. This
begets in them a strong resolution to devote themselves and their whole
lives to God and His Son, and patiently to wait till God shall see fit
to make all effectual; and they very often entertain a strong persuasion
that He will in His own time do it for them.

There is wrought in them a holy repose of soul in God through Christ,
with a secret disposition to fear and love Him, and to hope for
blessings from Him in this way. Yet they have no imagination that they
are now converted; it does not so much as come in their minds: and very
often the reason is, that they do not see that they accept of this
sufficiency of salvation they behold in Christ, having entertained a
wrong notion of acceptance; not being sensible that the obedient and
joyful entertainment which their hearts give to this discovery of grace
is a real acceptance of it. They know not that the sweet complacence
they feel in the mercy and complete salvation of God, as it includes
pardon and sanctification, and is held forth to them only through
Christ, is a true receiving of this mercy, or a plain evidence of their
receiving it. They expected I know not what kind of act
date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 19:01:52 GMT   author:   Peter Brooks

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