Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes

Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.

Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family 
circumstances to illustrate your answer.

;-)

regards, Ian

O,n Sep 6, 10:28 am, Ian Smith 
wrote:
> Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> ;-)
>
> regards, Ian

REPLY:  Okee Doke :  Every single one of us are and have been
influenced by the out of control sex saturated society we live in  to
some degree ;  even Teenagers from Christian homes . That, combined
with our sin nature in which its propensity is toward self-
fulfillment ... leads many Christian Teenagers astray sexually.  While
Sarah Palins daughter committed a sexually immoral act, she didnt
decide she had the arrogant entitlement to be Judge, Jury, and
Executioner over her own developing Son or Daughter by having it
ripped to little pieces and its head crushed with surgical foreceps ,
and instead, is willing to do the correct thing by nurturing and being
a Trustee to  the child in her womb and they plan to make it further
correct by getting married so their Child can grow up in the best
possible circumstance..that being a home with a mother and father
present.  I wonder how many Atheist Teenagers would have the guts,
courage, and fortitude  to admit they did wrong by the Atheist/
Humanist philosophy of Casual Sex but refuse to rely  on Abortion
Mills to hide their shame and so their Sexual Hedonism can continue
(??) . Your welcome .

On Sep 6, 12:08 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> O,n Sep 6, 10:28 am, Ian Smith 
> wrote:
>
> > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> > Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> > Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> > circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> > ;-)
>
> > regards, Ian
>
> REPLY:  Okee Doke :  Every single one of us are and have been
> influenced by the out of control sex saturated society we live in  to
> some degree ;  even Teenagers from Christian homes . That, combined
> with our sin nature in which its propensity is toward self-
> fulfillment ... leads many Christian Teenagers astray sexually.  While
> Sarah Palins daughter committed a sexually immoral act, she didnt
> decide she had the arrogant entitlement to be Judge, Jury, and
> Executioner over her own developing Son or Daughter by having it
> ripped to little pieces and its head crushed with surgical foreceps ,
> and instead, is willing to do the correct thing by nurturing and being
> a Trustee to  the child in her womb and they plan to make it further
> correct by getting married so their Child can grow up in the best
> possible circumstance..that being a home with a mother and father
> pruresent.  I wonder how many Atheist Teenagers would have the guts,
> courage, and fortitude  to admit they did wrong by the Atheist/
> Humanist philosophy of Casual Sex but refuse to rely  on Abortion
> Mills to hide their shame and so their Sexual Hedonism can continue
> (??) . Your welcome .

P.S.  Youre a Theist too Ian ;  only you refuse to admit it . No one
is 'an atheist'  , although many want it to be so for max. personal
freedom and independence.  We've been thru this many times before.

On Sep 6, 8:28 am, Ian Smith 
wrote:
> Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> ;-)
>
> regards, Ian

Let's not forget 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears, who got her underaged
self knocked up by her Xtian 18 year old boyfriend, who's uncle just
happens to be a Baptist pastor.
Legally that's called stautory rape, a term the Dimwitted Dave didn't
know about when he knocked up an underaged female then "encouraged"
her to have an abortion to save him supporting the kid for the next 18
years

He's still in here trying to keep people talking to his fat fundy
ass.
SO why has he never answered these simple questions?

What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than
your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?
********
DavidWG
********

I'm not sure how it's possible, but you seem to have somehow missed
some pointed questions that I and others have posed to you a dozen
times or more
Any explaination as to why you feel it's perfectly fine for you to
always
question other people's beliefs (even their sex lifes) and yet skip
answering other people's questions because they might reveal your own
motives
and ideas?


Are you so afraid that considering them will reveal your mental
inbalance?
Are you so afraid of confronting the obvious symptoms of your
religious addictions?
Do you see the world only in black and white, good and evil, right
and
wrong?
Do you noticed a detachment from your job, friends or relatives or a
breakdown in your personal relationships?
Do you think you've ever gotten special messages from your god or
that your god can fix all your problems?
What about your uncompromising judgmental attitudes or shame-based
belief that you aren't good enough as you exist today?
How about your overt attitude of righteousness or superiority?
Do you find yourself in daily conflict with science, medicine, and
education, but spend excessive amounts of your time obsessive
praying, going to church, crusades, and quoting scripture?

Sandy

On Sep 6, 8:28 am, Ian Smith 
wrote:


More comments on Jamie Lynn's daddy..they met in CHURCH and she kinda
fessed up to sleeping around

In an Associated Press interview conducted shortly before
Thanksgiving, Jamie Lynn said she did not have a steady boyfriend. "I
kind of just keep my options open," she told AP. "I have a bunch of
friends that I always hang out with, a bunch of guy friends." In the
OK! interview, Jamie Lynn said she had met Aldridge at church.

Ken wrote:
> He's still in here trying to keep people talking to his fat fundy
> ass.
> SO why has he never answered these simple questions?
>
> What is the highest level of education you reached?
> Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
> To what level did you study physics and biology?
> What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
> Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
> scientifically illiterate?
> What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
> than
> your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
> Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?
> ********
> DavidWG
> ********
>
> I'm not sure how it's possible, but you seem to have somehow missed
> some pointed questions that I and others have posed to you a dozen
> times or more
> Any explaination as to why you feel it's perfectly fine for you to
> always
> question other people's beliefs (even their sex lifes) and yet skip
> answering other people's questions because they might reveal your own
> motives
> and ideas?
>
>
> Are you so afraid that considering them will reveal your mental
> inbalance?
> Are you so afraid of confronting the obvious symptoms of your
> religious addictions?
> Do you see the world only in black and white, good and evil, right
> and
> wrong?
> Do you noticed a detachment from your job, friends or relatives or a
> breakdown in your personal relationships?
> Do you think you've ever gotten special messages from your god or
> that your god can fix all your problems?
> What about your uncompromising judgmental attitudes or shame-based
> belief that you aren't good enough as you exist today?
> How about your overt attitude of righteousness or superiority?
> Do you find yourself in daily conflict with science, medicine, and
> education, but spend excessive amounts of your time obsessive
> praying, going to church, crusades, and quoting scripture?
>
> Sandy

Come on Dave; use some net-sense: You're not publicising your website 
lately: http://n.1asphost.com/BornAgain/index.html
After all that effort surely you want people to see it; I must say that it's 
rather well illustrated. It's been a long time since it was last added to 
also - I make it about 3 1/2 years so far.

Maybe you should publicise it on the social networking sites; or bookmark it 
on Mag.nolia?

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Ken  wrote:
[snip]

>Sandy

Um. Is there something you're trying to tell us, Ken?



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> On Sep 6, 12:08 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>> O,n Sep 6, 10:28 am, Ian Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>>
>> > Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>>
>> > Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
>> > circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>>
>> > ;-)
>>
>> > regards, Ian
>>
>> REPLY:  Okee Doke :  Every single one of us are and have been
>> influenced by the out of control sex saturated society we live in  to
>> some degree ;  even Teenagers from Christian homes . That, combined
>> with our sin nature in which its propensity is toward self-
>> fulfillment ... leads many Christian Teenagers astray sexually.
>>  While Sarah Palins daughter committed a sexually immoral act, she
>> didnt decide she had the arrogant entitlement to be Judge, Jury, and
>> Executioner over her own developing Son or Daughter by having it
>> ripped to little pieces and its head crushed with surgical foreceps ,
>> and instead, is willing to do the correct thing by nurturing and
>> being a Trustee to  the child in her womb and they plan to make it
>> further correct by getting married so their Child can grow up in the
>> best possible circumstance..that being a home with a mother and
>> father pruresent.  I wonder how many Atheist Teenagers would have the
>> guts, courage, and fortitude  to admit they did wrong by the Atheist/
>> Humanist philosophy of Casual Sex but refuse to rely  on Abortion
>> Mills to hide their shame and so their Sexual Hedonism can continue
>> (??) . Your welcome .
> 
> P.S.  Youre a Theist too Ian ;  only you refuse to admit it . No one
> is 'an atheist'  , although many want it to be so for max. personal
> freedom and independence.  We've been thru this many times before.
> 

Congratulations. In one simple (very simple) paragraph, you have proved
yourself the stupidest "sentient" being in the known universe. I have
goldfish with more brains. We're all really atheists. Atheist is
'without god'. We're all without god, whether you choose to believe it
or not. Stop being so frightened of death. It's just an end. Nothing.
When (if) you have grown up enough to understand the horror implicit in
the concept of eternity, then I may be slightly less patronising towards
your puerile drivel, but don't hold your breath. 

Peace!

-- 
"Good evening. Here is the news on Friday, the 27th of Geldof.
Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a
missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in
Bonn. If genuine it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is
believed to read "To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within
this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is
purely coincidental." The page has been universally condemned by church
leaders." 


--Newsreader, Red Dwarf, Better than Life

Ian Smith  wrote:

> Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
> 
> Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
> 
> Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family 
> circumstances to illustrate your answer.
> 
> ;-)
> 
> regards, Ian

And what if the moose was pregnant?

-- 
Jon

On Sep 6, 12:45 pm, Ken  wrote:
> On Sep 6, 8:28 am, Ian Smith 
> wrote:
>
> > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> > Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> > Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> > circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> > ;-)
>
> > regards, Ian
>
> Let's not forget 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears, who got her underaged
> self knocked up by her Xtian 18 year old boyfriend, who's uncle just
> happens to be a Baptist pastor.
> Legally that's called stautory rape, a term the Dimwitted Dave didn't
> know about when he knocked up an underaged female then "encouraged"
> her to have an abortion to save him supporting the kid for the next 18
> years

REPLY: True, I considered myself 'an Atheist' way back then, and was
simply doing what the Humanist philosophy of the day was ... and still
is , only far more intensified today.

On Sep 6, 8:11 pm, The Central Scrutiniser  wrote:
> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  scratched their head,
> scratched their arse, then scrivened innews:61bfdb8b-a835-4460-92e9-147ef7a3c80d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 6, 12:08 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote> >> O,n Sep 6, 10:28 am, Ian Smith  >> wrote:
>
> >> > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> >> > Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> >> > Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> >> > circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> >> > ;-)
>
> >> > regards, Ian
>
> >> REPLY:  Okee Doke :  Every single one of us are and have been
> >> influenced by the out of control sex saturated society we live in  to
> >> some degree ;  even Teenagers from Christian homes . That, combined
> >> with our sin nature in which its propensity is toward self-
> >> fulfillment ... leads many Christian Teenagers astray sexually.
> >>  While Sarah Palins daughter committed a sexually immoral act, she
> >> didnt decide she had the arrogant entitlement to be Judge, Jury, and
> >> Executioner over her own developing Son or Daughter by having it
> >> ripped to little pieces and its head crushed with surgical foreceps ,
> >> and instead, is willing to do the correct thing by nurturing and
> >> being a Trustee to  the child in her womb and they plan to make it
> >> further correct by getting married so their Child can grow up in the
> >> best possible circumstance..that being a home with a mother and
> >> father pruresent.  I wonder how many Atheist Teenagers would have the
> >> guts, courage, and fortitude  to admit they did wrong by the Atheist> >> Humanist philosophy of Casual Sex but refuse to rely  on Abortion
> >> Mills to hide their shame and so their Sexual Hedonism can continue
> >> (??) . Your welcome .
>
> > P.S.  Youre a Theist too Ian ;  only you refuse to admit it . No one
> > is 'an atheist'  , although many want it to be so for max. personal
> > freedom and independence.  We've been thru this many times before.
>
> Congratulations. In one simple (very simple) paragraph, you have proved
> yourself the stupidest "sentient" being in the known universe. I have
> goldfish with more brains. We're all really atheists. Atheist is
> 'without god'. We're all without god, whether you choose to believe it
> or not. Stop being so frightened of death. It's just an end. Nothing.
> When (if) you have grown up enough to understand the horror implicit in
> the concept of eternity, then I may be slightly less patronising towards
> your puerile drivel, but don't hold your breath.
>
> Peace!
>
> --
> "Good evening. Here is the news on Friday, the 27th of Geldof.
> Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a
> missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in
> Bonn. If genuine it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is
> believed to read "To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within
> this book are fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is
> purely coincidental." The page has been universally condemned by church
> leaders."
>
> --Newsreader, Red Dwarf, Better than Life- Hide quoted text -
> h
> - Show quoted text -

REPLY:  Im not afraid of death ; why should i be when i have a
personal real relationship with the Creator of the Universe and his
free undeserved gift of eternal life offered to me in Christ on the
Cross ? In fact, physical death is graduation day for those who are
trusting in Christ .  You can have that sort of confidence too if you
want it.  No one is 'an atheist' ;  I thought i was for some 10 adult
years but it was a charade i was playing for the sake of living my
life the way i pleased -- maximum personal entitlement for whatever i
decided I wanted to be involved in regardless of immorality.  All this
super-complexity and personal examples of extreme design and
engineering can never ever occur the way alleged Atheists day by
simple Molecules and raw chemicals ; you know  that . The worlds most
famous Atheist Biologist , Dr. Francis Crick, agrees the sort of faith
an atheist needs is 10^40,000 th power . You dont have that much
faith. No one does. You are a Theist who simply doesnt want to admit
you are . You need to stop placing YOUR lifestyle agenda ahead of the
Creator and his plan for your life, otherwise when physical death
comes to you, it will be a very frightful experience knowing you blew
your entire Earthly life on self fulfillment, self acquisition, self
pleasures, and making Self your 'god' instead of honoring the real God
and Creator who loves you immensely.  Fun is only for a season but it
too is a passing fancy. Give God a chance with your life and discover
what
the real meaning to your life is. You cant get any bigger and more
important than the Creator and youll never regret surrendering your
Self interests for him .  Regards.

On Sep 7, 4:12 am, jskin...@senet.com.au (Jon Skinner) wrote:
> Ian Smith  wrote:
> > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> > Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> > Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> > circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
>  > ;-)
>
> > regards, Ian
>
> And what if the moose was pregnant?
>
> --
> Jon

REPLY:  Then the Moose would bring a tiny Moose into the world !
Right ?!

On Sep 7, 5:19 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> The worlds most
> famous Atheist Biologist , Dr. Francis Crick, agrees the sort of faith
> an atheist needs is 10^40,000 th power .


CORRECTION.

This should read:
Dr Francis Crick agreed nothing of the sort of faith an atheist needs
is 10^40,000th power.

This was a statement by Fred Hoyle, astronomer and one time atheist. A
believer in the steady state universe - since shown to be incorrect -
and latterly in god AND panspermia (amongst other things...)

The continual error of this statement that Sir Francis Crick made the
assessment or even agreed with it will NEVER, EVER make it to be so.
It was, and always will be,  a statement made by Fred Hoyle.  Of
course his path away from atheism does not help the religious position
one iota since he believed in panspermia - life arriving from
elsewhere in the universe.  Something that can never fit within the
biblical manual from which christian adherence derives.
So, once again,  Fred Hoyle is the author of the quote and NOT Sir
Francis Crick, atheist.


Mark

On Sep 7, 12:40 pm, prom...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 7, 5:19 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > The worlds most
> > famous Atheist Biologist , Dr. Francis Crick, agrees the sort of faith
> > an atheist needs is 10^40,000 th power .
>
> CORRECTION.
>
> This should read:
> Dr Francis Crick agreed nothing of the sort of faith an atheist needs
> is 10^40,000th power.
>
> This was a statement by Fred Hoyle, astronomer and one time atheist. A
> believer in the steady state universe - since shown to be incorrect -
> and latterly in god AND panspermia (amongst other things...)
>
> The continual error of this statement that Sir Francis Crick made the
> assessment or even agreed with it will NEVER, EVER make it to be so.
> It was, and always will be,  a statement made by Fred Hoyle.  Of
> course his path away from atheism does not help the religious position
> one iota since he believed in panspermia - life arriving from
> elsewhere in the universe.  Something that can never fit within the
> biblical manual from which christian adherence derives.
> So, once again,  Fred Hoyle is the author of the quote and NOT Sir
> Francis Crick, atheist.
>
> Mark

It was made by Hoyle, but in Cricks own book he affirms it.  I gave
you the resource info. Do you want it again for the third time Mark ??

On Sep 7, 12:40 pm, prom...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 7, 5:19 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > The worlds most
> > famous Atheist Biologist , Dr. Francis Crick, agrees the sort of faith
> > an atheist needs is 10^40,000 th power .
>
> CORRECTION.
>
> This should read:
> Dr Francis Crick agreed nothing of the sort of faith an atheist needs
> is 10^40,000th power.
>
> This was a statement by Fred Hoyle, astronomer and one time atheist. A
> believer in the steady state universe - since shown to be incorrect -
> and latterly in god AND panspermia (amongst other things...)
>
> The continual error of this statement that Sir Francis Crick made the
> baassessment or even agreed with it will NEVER, EVER make it to be so.
> It was, and always will be,  a statement made by Fred Hoyle.  Of
> course his path away from atheism does not help the religious position
> one iota since he believed in panspermia - life arriving from
> elsewhere in the universe.  Something that can never fit within the
> biblical manual from which christian adherence derives.
> So, once again,  Fred Hoyle is the author of the quote and NOT Sir
> Francis Crick, atheist.
>
> Mark

P.S.  IF life arrived from elsewhere in the Universe, where did THAT
life come from ?  You only push it back one step.  Life comes from
life itself ..thats the law of Biogenesis which has never been
refuted.  But atheism thinks the utterly incredible complexity of even
the most basic life form (which Biologists say is tantamount to an
entire major U.S. city) can either pop into existence unwilled, or, it
can be delivered to earth on a SpaceShip by Aliens.  The incredulty
and pride of atheism only keeps getting sillier.  All because you dont
want to surrender your life to the personal Creator of the universe .
Whats it going to take for you to bend your knee ?  2 seconds after
physical death when you discover yourself in eternity , which is too
late then ?  Thats the way Dawkins wants to do it ., but you dont have
to follow his lead.

In article 
,
 "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"  wrote:
> 
> It was made by Hoyle, but in Cricks own book he affirms it.  I gave
> you the resource info. Do you want it again for the third time Mark ??

We have said over and over again that your 'resource info' is 
fraudulent. Passages from three different authors are quoted next to 
each other, giving the impression that they were written by the same 
person. Crick is the author of the first paragraph, Hoyle the second and 
some unorthodox New-Zealand biologist the third. Your 10 to the 40,000th 
power figure is in the second paragraph and thus quoted from Hoyle's 
1983 book, *Evolution from Space*, which was published two years after 
Crick's *Life Itself*. It is unlikely that Crick would have been aware 
of Hoyle's calculation when he wrote his book, given that Hoyle's book 
was not to appear for two years.

Ask yourself: who are the authors of the books named in footnotes 3 and 
4? Why are the authors' names and dates of publication omitted in these 
two footnotes? Doesn't it look fishy to you?
<http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/did-life-form-by-accident.htm>


Alwyn

In article 
,
 "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"  wrote:
> 
> P.S.  IF life arrived from elsewhere in the Universe, where did THAT
> life come from ?  You only push it back one step.  Life comes from
> life itself ..thats the law of Biogenesis which has never been
> refuted.

Is God alive? If so, then what living being created God? As you say, 
life comes from life itself...


Alwyn

On Sep 7, 2:19 pm, Alwyn  wrote:

> We have said over and over again that your 'resource info' is
> fraudulent. Passages from three different authors are quoted next to
> each other, giving the impression that they were written by the same
> person. Crick is the author of the first paragraph, Hoyle the second and
> some unorthodox New-Zealand biologist the third. Your 10 to the 40,000th
> power figure is in the second paragraph and thus quoted from Hoyle's
> 1983 book, *Evolution from Space*, which was published two years after
> Crick's *Life Itself*. It is unlikely that Crick would have been aware
> of Hoyle's calculation when he wrote his book, given that Hoyle's book
> was not to appear for two years.
>
> Ask yourself: who are the authors of the books named in footnotes 3 and
> 4? Why are the authors' names and dates of publication omitted in these
> two footnotes? Doesn't it look fishy to you?
> <http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/did-life-form-by-accident.htm>
>
> Alwyn

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> On Sep 6, 8:11 pm, The Central Scrutiniser  wrote:
>> "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  scratched their head,
>> scratched their arse, then scrivened
>> innews:61bfdb8b-a835-4460-92e9-147ef 
> 7a3c80d@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Sep 6, 12:08 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com" 
>> > wrote 
>:
>> >> O,n Sep 6, 10:28 am, Ian Smith
>> >> <news0807REMOVEC...@orrery.e4ward.com 
>>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>>

<<snipped for brevity>>

>> Congratulations. In one simple (very simple) paragraph, you have
>> proved yourself the stupidest "sentient" being in the known universe.
>> I have goldfish with more brains. We're all really atheists. Atheist
>> is 'without god'. We're all without god, whether you choose to
>> believe it or not. Stop being so frightened of death. It's just an
>> end. Nothing. When (if) you have grown up enough to understand the
>> horror implicit in the concept of eternity, then I may be slightly
>> less patronising towards your puerile drivel, but don't hold your
>> breath. 
>>
>> Peace!
>>
>> --
>> "Good evening. Here is the news on Friday, the 27th of Geldof.
>> Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be
>> a missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon
>> dated in Bonn. If genuine it belongs at the beginning of the Bible
>> and is believed to read "To my darling Candy. All characters
>> portrayed within this book are fictitous and any resemblance to
>> persons living or dead is purely coincidental." The page has been
>> universally condemned by church leaders."
>>
>> --Newsreader, Red Dwarf, Better than Life- Hide quoted text -
>> h
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> REPLY:  Im not afraid of death ; why should i be when i have a
> personal real relationship with the Creator of the Universe and his
> free undeserved gift of eternal life offered to me in Christ on the
> Cross ?

How do you claim to be unafraid of death when you have to subscribe to a 
ludicrously unrealistic myth that in effect tells you that you'll live 
forever?

> In fact, physical death is graduation day for those who are
> trusting in Christ .  You can have that sort of confidence too if you
> want it.

That's not confidence, it's delusion. I'll take reality, thanks.

>  No one is 'an atheist' ;  I thought i was for some 10 adult
> years but it was a charade i was playing for the sake of living my
> life the way i pleased -- maximum personal entitlement for whatever i
> decided I wanted to be involved in regardless of immorality.

Some people obviously just aren't cut out to handle the burden of taking 
responsibility for their own actions within society, without the emotional 
crutch of some guiding hand from up above.
Many of us are, however.

>  All this
> super-complexity and personal examples of extreme design and
> engineering can never ever occur the way alleged Atheists day by
> simple Molecules and raw chemicals ; you know  that . The worlds most
> famous Atheist Biologist , Dr. Francis Crick, agrees the sort of faith
> an atheist needs is 10^40,000 th power . You dont have that much
> faith. No one does.

87.6% of statistics are made up on the spot. It takes no faith whatsoever 
to not believe in something. That certainly wasn't the only barking mad 
idea that he had, though, IIRC he believed in panspermia. Yes, he did, just 
checked on wiki.
As for the complexity argument, I find it easier to comprehend that simple 
molecules and raw chemicals can react together to become self - replicating 
and then develop and evolve into complex life forms by trial & error than 
believing that an all - powerful being magicked itself into existence, 
waved it's hands (tentacles, noodly appendages etc) and thought the entire 
universe into being.

> You are a Theist who simply doesnt want to admit
> you are . You need to stop placing YOUR lifestyle agenda ahead of the
> Creator and his plan for your life, otherwise when physical death
> comes to you, it will be a very frightful experience knowing you blew
> your entire Earthly life on self fulfillment, self acquisition, self
> pleasures, and making Self your 'god' instead of honoring the real God
> and Creator who loves you immensely.  Fun is only for a season but it
> too is a passing fancy. Give God a chance with your life and discover
> what
> the real meaning to your life is. You cant get any bigger and more
> important than the Creator and youll never regret surrendering your
> Self interests for him .  Regards.
> 

Think I'll pass on that, ta.
When physical death comes, my last thought is liable to be along the lines 
of regretting the fun I didn't have, rather than the fun I did. I never 
made myself a god, any more than I bowed down to worship any imaginary one. 
I know the meaning of life, It's to reproduce, and pass on your DNA to 
future generations.
Or is it 42?
Remember, if an atheist is without god, we're all atheists really, just 
some of us are more honest about our godlessness than others.

Cheery - bye!

-- 
"Good evening. Here is the news on Friday, the 27th of Geldof. 
Archeologists near mount Sinai have discovered what is believed to be a 
missing page from the Bible. The page is currently being carbon dated in 
Bonn. If genuine it belongs at the beginning of the Bible and is believed 
to read "To my darling Candy. All characters portrayed within this book are 
fictitous and any resemblance to persons living or dead is purely 
coincidental." The page has been universally condemned by church leaders."


--Newsreader, Red Dwarf, Better than Life

IlBeBauck@gmail.com  wrote:

> On Sep 7, 4:12 am, jskin...@senet.com.au (Jon Skinner) wrote:
> > Ian Smith  wrote:
> > > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
> >
> > > Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
> >
> > > Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> > > circumstances to illustrate your answer.
> >
> >  > ;-)
> >
> > > regards, Ian
> >
> > And what if the moose was pregnant?
> >
> > --
> > Jon
> 
> REPLY:  Then the Moose would bring a tiny Moose into the world !
> Right ?!

Oi! DILViant...IlBeBollocks...whatever your friggin name is this week.

You can talk to me when you've produced my miracle-wine.

If I must witness a pro-life, moose-shootin', creationist, abstinence
touting fruitcake get elected to high office and put in charge of a
nuclear arsenal, I at least want to be pissed when it happens. 

Booze! Now!

-- 
Jon

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> The worlds most
> famous Atheist Biologist , Dr. Francis Crick, agrees the sort of faith
> an atheist needs is 10^40,000 th power .

I was going to engage you in debate, but whilst you still persist 
with this brazen lie I see no point. This despite the fact that we 
have repeatedly pointed out that the erroneous references you posted 
actually shows that the quote is taken directly from Fred Hoyle and 
was not in any way related to anything that Francis crick wrote or 
even quoted - quite the opposite to what you claim.

We still await your apology for this, Dave.

regards, Ian

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> P.S.  Youre a Theist too Ian ;  only you refuse to admit it . No one
> is 'an atheist'  , although many want it to be so for max. personal
> freedom and independence.  We've been thru this many times before.

We have, and you've been told numerous times how and why you are 
wrong in this silly assertion.

regards, Ian

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:


> <snip theistic rant> ...decide she had the arrogant entitlement 
> to be Judge, Jury, and Executioner over her own developing Son or
> Daughter by having it ripped to little pieces <snip> ....

Nice attempt at a diversionary tactic, but it didn't work.

I didn't ask about abortion. In any case, having the baby is fine
for a family that can afford to employ a mexican nanny, while the
mother gets on with her school and college. Not so good for most
young girls.

I don't know of any 'atheist' position on abortion. I for one am not
too happy about it at all and I think that there is real debate to
be had. My own belief is that it should be avoided - reduced to zero
- by proper sex and contraceptive education. Which brings me to the
question I asked and you didn't answer:

>> Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>> 
>> Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family 
>> circumstances to illustrate your answer.

regards, Ian

On Sep 8, 1:03 am, Ian Smith 
wrote:


Sorry Ian..but sometimes I just can't stop myself---------

--------------Dave is our resident evangelical fundamentalist. He is
based in the
US and here to preach the gospel. He will not listen to anything you
say and will continue to post the same invalid arguments no matter
how many times their falsehood is pointed out.
His typical posting consists of material copied from creationist
websites - typically pseudo science and frequently quotations from
credible scientists that have been edited to indicate the opposite
of what the author intended.
If you are fired up with anger and feel compelled to respond, the
regulars here can't stop you, but please understand that nothing you
say will be taken on board and you will simply initiate an endless
stream of posts attempting to preach the gospel to anyone who is
gullible enough to listen.....Ian

jskinner@senet.com.au (Jon Skinner) wrote:

>Ian Smith  wrote:
>
>> Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>> 
>> Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>> 
>> Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family 
>> circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>> 
>> ;-)
>> 
>> regards, Ian
>
>And what if the moose was pregnant?

Then the boy would be forced to marry her.


-- 
Sleepalot   aa #1385

On Sep 6, 10:28 pm, Ian Smith 
wrote:
> Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> ;-)
>
> regards, Ian

On Sep 6, 10:28 pm, Ian Smith 
wrote:
> Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> ;-)
>
> regards, Ian

Sarah Palin is a god-fearin' Pentecostal, a conservative Protestant
Christian denomination. She has attended a Charismatic church much of
her life, the Wasilla Assembly of God... you know, the kind that
believes in glossolalia (talking in tongues), the laying on of hands,
handling of snakes, casting out demons, prophecy, intercessory prayer,
Biblical exegesis, glory glory hallelujah ... well you get the
picture. Head Pastor Ed Kalnins sermons espouse such theological
concepts as the possession of geographic territories by demonic
spirits and the inter-generational transmission of family “curses”.
Just two months ago "pastor Ed Kalnins -- with Palin standing at his
side -- spoke about tapping into Alaska's natural resource wealth in
order to fulfill the state's destiny of serving as a shelter for
Christians at the end of the world". (Anchorage Daily News article,
daTed September 7th - see http://preview.tinyurl.com/6p4n43)

"I believe that Alaska is one of the 'refuge states' -- come on you
guys -- in the Last Days," Kalnins said, raising his arm to underscore
his point. "And hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to
this state to seek refuge. And the church has to be ready to minister
to them." (same source)

"She supports teaching creationism in the public schools, outlawing
nearly all abortions (even in cases of rape or incest) and prohibiting
same-sex marriage." (same source)

"Since winning her race for governor in 2006, Palin has also attended
a large Pentecostal church in Juneau -- the Juneau Christian Center.
She's also worshipped at the Church on the Rock, a sprawling
megachurch in Wasilla. All four fellowships the family has attended
appear to have one trait in common: They all insist on the inerrancy
of the Bible. Their pastors preach that scripture is literally God's
spoken word. Launching into a discourse on the purpose of man earlier
this year, Juneau Christian Center pastor Mike Rose touted the Genesis
version of creation while dismissing Darwin's theory of evolution,
which some Christian faiths are willing to accept." (same source)

As a pentecostal, she takes a conservative stance on the role of women
in society, the death penalty, corporal punishment. She is "less
favorable than the average American to the granting of atheists,
communists, and homosexuals such civil liberties as the right to speak
in public, and are also less supportive of racial justice (e.g., laws
against miscegenation) than Americans generally" (Roof and McKinney
1987).

"David Pepper, the senior pastor at Church on the Rock -- where the
Palins occasionally worship in Wasilla -- takes his Christianity one
step further, arguing that the purpose of the United States is to
glorify God. "This nation is a Christian nation!" Pepper said last
fall in a recorded sermon. "God will not be mocked! I don't care what
atheists say! God will not be mocked! ... Judgment Day is coming.
Where do you stand?" ... (Anchorage News again)

This redneck fundie is the Vice Presidential candidate for the oldest
first term would-be president the most powerful nation in the world
has ever considered. What was it you were saying about the lessening
influence of religion and its crazies? :-(

pg

PG wrote:

> 
> "David Pepper, the senior pastor at Church on the Rock -- where the
> Palins occasionally worship in Wasilla -- takes his Christianity one
> step further, arguing that the purpose of the United States is to
> glorify God.

Just to the right of Landover Baptist then, just Google "Praise Jesus".

> God will not be mocked!

Oh, I think he probably will!

regards, Ian

Ian Smith wrote:
> PG wrote:
> 
>>
>> "David Pepper, the senior pastor at Church on the Rock -- where the
>> Palins occasionally worship in Wasilla -- takes his Christianity one
>> step further, arguing that the purpose of the United States is to
>> glorify God.
> 
> Just to the right of Landover Baptist then, just Google "Praise Jesus".
> 
>> God will not be mocked!
> 
> Oh, I think he probably will!

In fact, you can hear Pastor Deacon Fred here:

http://www.youtube.com/lbc4god

regards, Ian

On Sep 9, 6:58 am, PG  wrote:
> On Sep 6, 10:28 pm, Ian Smith 
> wrote:
>
> > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> > Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> > Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> > circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> > ;-)
>
> > regards, Ian
>
> On Sep 6, 10:28 pm, Ian Smith 
> wrote:
>
> > Marks: 20     Time allowed: 30 minutes
>
> > Discuss the effectiveness of abstinence-based sex eduction.
>
> > Make special reference to Sarah Palin, using her family
> > circumstances to illustrate your answer.
>
> > ;-)
>
> > regards, Ian
>
> Sarah Palin is a god-fearin' Pentecostal, a conservative Protestant
> Christian denomination. She has attended a Charismatic church much of
> her life, the Wasilla Assembly of God... you know, the kind that
> believes in glossolalia (talking in tongues), the laying on of hands,
> handling of snakes, casting out demons, prophecy, intercessory prayer,
> Biblical exegesis, glory glory hallelujah ... well you get the
> picture. Head Pastor Ed Kalnins sermons espouse such theological
> concepts as the possession of geographic territories by demonic
> spirits and the inter-generational transmission of family “curses”.
> Just two months ago "pastor Ed Kalnins -- with Palin standing at his
> side -- spoke about tapping into Alaska's natural resource wealth in
> order to fulfill the state's destiny of serving as a shelter for
> Christians at the end of the world". (Anchorage Daily News article,
> daTed September 7th - seehttp://preview.tinyurl.com/6p4n43)
>
> "I believe that Alaska is one of the 'refuge states' -- come on you
> guys -- in the Last Days," Kalnins said, raising his arm to underscore
> his point. "And hundreds of thousands of people are going to come to
> this state to seek refuge. And the church has to be ready to minister
> to them." (same source)
>
> "She supports teaching creationism in the public schools, outlawing
> nearly all abortions (even in cases of rape or incest) and prohibiting
> same-sex marriage." (same source)
>
> "Since winning her race for governor in 2006, Palin has also attended
> a large Pentecostal church in Juneau -- the Juneau Christian Center.
> She's also worshipped at the Church on the Rock, a sprawling
> megachurch in Wasilla. All four fellowships the family has attended
> appear to have one trait in common: They all insist on the inerrancy
> of the Bible. Their pastors preach that scripture is literally God's
> spoken word. Launching into a discourse on the purpose of man earlier
> this year, Juneau Christian Center pastor Mike Rose touted the Genesis
> version of creation while dismissing Darwin's theory of evolution,
> which some Christian faiths are willing to accept." (same source)
>
> As a pentecostal, she takes a conservative stance on the role of women
> in society, the death penalty, corporal punishment. She is "less
> favorable than the average American to the granting of atheists,
> communists, and homosexuals such civil liberties as the right to speak
> in public, and are also less supportive of racial justice (e.g., laws
> against miscegenation) than Americans generally" (Roof and McKinney
> 1987).
>
> "David Pepper, the senior pastor at Church on the Rock -- where the
> Palins occasionally worship in Wasilla -- takes his Christianity one
> step further, arguing that the purpose of the United States is to
> glorify God. "This nation is a Christian nation!" Pepper said last
> fall in a recorded sermon. "God will not be mocked! I don't care what
> atheists say! God will not be mocked! ... Judgment Day is coming.
> Where do you stand?" ... (Anchorage News again)
>
> This redneck fundie is the Vice Presidential candidate for the oldest
> first term would-be president the most powerful nation in the world
> has ever considered. What was it you were saying about the lessening
> influence of religion and its crazies? :-(
>
> pg

There's a large percentage of the AmeriKKKan population who were born
braindead, but are still allowed to vote as evidenced by GWB.
No one has ever lost money betting on the stupidity of our voting
public

In article 
,
 PG  wrote:
> 
> This redneck fundie is the Vice Presidential candidate for the oldest
> first term would-be president the most powerful nation in the world
> has ever considered. What was it you were saying about the lessening
> influence of religion and its crazies? :-(

'We all understand that there is a political class which dominates in 
America, and that Sarah Palin for damned sure is not one of them. And 
the more she is attacked by liberal Democratic elements (translation: 
elite highly-educated big city people) the more America's working mooks 
will come to her defence. Her daughter had a baby out of wedlock? Big 
deal. What family has not? She is a Christian fundamentalist who 
believes God spat on his beefy paws and made the world in seven days? So 
do at least 150 million other Americans. She snowmobiles and fishes and 
she is a looker to boot. She's a redneck.'
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7600000/7600592.stm>


Alwyn