Did you see this mini-series?
I only managed to catch the last program which was about the clash between 
evolution science and belief.
Science works. No one doubts whether a TV works or a radio or that planes 
fly. That same validity has shown how evolution is real with DNA proving it 
again. It is astonishing that people choose to deny the achievements of man 
in answering many of the big questions about life. We've solved the puzzle. 
We've demonstrated the process and witnessed it too.

The rhetoric used by the religious representatives who tried to explain 
their position was shown to be nothing but gibberish. They come up with this 
stuff every day and use it to appease their flock so it's understandable 
they think gibberish is a reasonable explanation or outlook to have. but it 
doesn't fool scientists. What is utterly astounding is the number of people 
that are fooled by utter nonsense.

Steve M

On Aug 27, 3:38 pm, "Steve Marshall" 
wrote:
> Did you see this mini-series?
> I only managed to catch the last program which was about the clash between
> evolution science and belief.
> Science works. No one doubts whether a TV works or a radio or that planes
> fly. That same validity has shown how evolution is real with DNA proving it
> again. It is astonishing that people choose to deny the achievements of man
> in answering many of the big questions about life. We've solved the puzzle.
> We've demonstrated the process and witnessed it too.
>
> The rhetoric used by the religious representatives who tried to explain
> their position was shown to be nothing but gibberish. They come up with this
> stuff every day and use it to appease their flock so it's understandable
> they think gibberish is a reasonable explanation or outlook to have. but it
> doesn't fool scientists. What is utterly astounding is the number of people
> that are fooled by utter nonsense.
>
> Steve M

REPLY:  Did the tv, radio, or plane  require a deliberate willful
effort from a personal Designer/Engineer for each to come about...or,
did a bunch of raw materials, chemicals, long time periods, and
chance  randomly assemble each which just ended up to work
flawlessly ?!   As for DNA,  specified complex information which is
akin to a blueprint, NEVER EVER comes from anything but a personal
Programmer ---  or do you suppose your Computer randomly assembled
itself  because circuit boards, diodes, resistors, buttons, swtiches,
et al   'naturally'  assembled into a fully operational end
product !??   This is the absurdity of following atheism ;  something
which one has to force themselves to believe in because it happens to
fit very well with ones own personal lifestyle agenda (namely, no
ultimate accountability to anyone larger than oneself. Just as the
Bible explicitly says in Romans 1:19-22 about the heart of many men.
Atheism is all about living a philosophy ; a philosophy which best
benefits self.  Its called Sin, Steve., or..purposed distancing from
God the Creator.

On Aug 27, 5:19 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Aug 27, 3:38 pm, "Steve Marshall" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Did you see this mini-series?
> > I only managed to catch the last program which was about the clash between
> > evolution science and belief.
> > Science works. No one doubts whether a TV works or a radio or that planes
> > fly. That same validity has shown how evolution is real with DNA proving it
> > again. It is astonishing that people choose to deny the achievements of man
> > in answering many of the big questions about life. We've solved the puzzle.
> > We've demonstrated the process and witnessed it too.
>
> > The rhetoric used by the religious representatives who tried to explain
> > their position was shown to be nothing but gibberish. They come up with this
> > stuff every day and use it to appease their flock so it's understandable
> > they think gibberish is a reasonable explanation or outlook to have. but it
> > doesn't fool scientists. What is utterly astounding is the number of people
> > that are fooled by utter nonsense.
>
> > Steve M
>
> REPLY:  Did the tv, radio, or plane  require a deliberate willful
> effort from a personal Designer/Engineer for each to come about...or,
> did a bunch of raw materials, chemicals, long time periods, and
> chance  randomly assemble each which just ended up to work
> flawlessly ?!   As for DNA,  specified complex information which is
> akin to a blueprint, NEVER EVER comes from anything but a personal
> Programmer ---  or do you suppose your Computer randomly assembled
> itself  because circuit boards, diodes, resistors, buttons, swtiches,
> et al   'naturally'  assembled into a fully operational end
> product !??   This is the absurdity of following atheism ;  something
> which one has to force themselves to believe in because it happens to
> fit very well with ones own personal lifestyle agenda (namely, no
> ultimate accountability to anyone larger than oneself. Just as the
> Bible explicitly says in Romans 1:19-22 about the heart of many men.
> Atheism is all about living a philosophy ; a philosophy which best
> benefits self.  Its called Sin, Steve., or..purposed distancing from
> God the Creator.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

REPLY:  Further...the real travesty is making atheist scientists (IE:
Dawkins)  ones own Guru  , to help make the absurdity more palatable.
Again...so the end result of maximum personal freedom to live as one
wishes , can be fully experienced.   AND.. damn be to anyone who comes
in-between ...even if its the Universes' own Creator .   God must not
be allowed to have a foot in the door cause its a personal threat .
So, absurd faith helps jettison the idea of a personal Creator
existing (even though way down in the recesses of ones own heart,  one
knows a personal Designer/Creator must exist).  And therein lies the
self deciet every 'atheist' must go thru.  Thats how it worked for me
during 10 years as an 'atheist' and thats how it works for you today
Steve.   Do some serious introspection and youll find a strong veneer
of pride acting as your catalyst.   We can talk about this fact more
if you wish.

I'm sure that everyone knows the drill, so no sense in repeating
it..Ken

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>REPLY:  Did the tv, radio, or plane  require a deliberate willful
>effort from a personal Designer/Engineer for each to come about...or,
>did a bunch of raw materials, chemicals, long time periods, and
>chance  randomly assemble each which just ended up to work
>flawlessly ?!
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As with evolution, a lot of trial and error was used to obtain a working 
model. To achieve a successful design numerous deaths resulted from failed 
attempts to fly. This is quite similar to evolution where species that don't 
or cant' make successful adaptations die out. Creationism has come up with 
no plausible explantion for extinction as that would imply failed design.

>As for DNA,  specified complex information which is
>akin to a blueprint, NEVER EVER comes from anything but a personal
>Programmer

DNA almost certainly developed from RNA. Whilst it is complex, quite small 
DNA sequences are needed for certain animals whilst others have far more 
than is needed. The excess DNA is further proof of an animals origins.
If you dispute evolution you must reject DNA as it is absolute proof that 
the scientists got it right and that evolution is a fact.

> or do you suppose your Computer randomly assembled
>itself  because circuit boards, diodes, resistors, buttons, swtiches,
>et al   'naturally'  assembled into a fully operational end
>product !??

Computers are an example of how complexity can be achieved via simple 
materials. All the components in a computer are basically composed of 
positive and negative parts. The simple placing of basic components is 
enough to create basic logic circuits.
A computer didn't randomly assemble itself any more than a living creature 
did. But there is progression of development to reach the stage we are at. I 
used to use - still do actually - an old 8-bit computer. In those days when 
thought you'd never get full colour pictures on computers because of the 
'vast amount of memory used. The change from then until now is huge and 
similar to the difference between living creatures have basic thought to 
humans have realisation.

> This is the absurdity of following atheism ;
Your version of atheism is one which we don't recognise.

>something
>which one has to force themselves to believe in because it happens to
>fit very well with ones own personal lifestyle agenda (namely, no
>ultimate accountability to anyone larger than oneself. Just as the
>Bible explicitly says in Romans 1:19-22 about the heart of many men.
>Atheism is all about living a philosophy ; a philosophy which best
>benefits self.  Its called Sin, Steve., or..purposed distancing from
>God the Creator.

Your version of religion and your views are your personal lifestyle agenda 
which has little to do with religion in the UK.  You are the one (still) 
running your personal philosophy to suit yourself. You are the sinner. You 
don't follow your own moral code.  You don't concern yourself with others 
and are happy to misrepresent theists and atheists alike in your (failed) 
quest.

If you has watched the program you would have seen church leaders saying 
they accepted evolution and didn't have a problem with it. They are a 
greater authority than you on theological matters. Why don't you go argue 
with them and proclaim them to be atheists???

Steve M