This is the first of a series of Psychology behind the Atheist
Faith.   I mean no offense to those who read these posts who have the
desire to be an atheist ; that is your perogative based on whatever
reason(s) you may have.   I only wish to examine the psychology behind
it.  The word 'Psychology'  refers to Human Behaviour including
motives, reasons, excuses, ideals, actions, lifestyle, desires,
willfulness , and unwillingness .  In the weeks to come, Ill hit on
all of these.

 Id like to start by saying that I labeled myself 'an Atheist' from
the approx age of 17 to 29  and ran with a fairly large crowd of folks
who considered themselves the same.  If i were asked if i believed in
God , I would have answered :  &*$%#@  NO !!   I had my mind made up
for a variety of what i thought were good reasons including :  The
world is in too bad of state,  it appears that bad things happen to
rather good people,  there was no convincing evidence of a God-Person
nor did he want to show himself,  hes never done anything  for me,
and Church Goers were all just a bunch of hypocrites to varying
degrees.  My chosen lifestyle was one of 'personal discovery and
quests' , namely,  whatever  I felt like doing for maximized pleasure
with emphasis in the sexual area .  Some call it 'sowing your wild
oats'  while others might call it ' Boys will be boys' .   For many
years, this was my MO  since there was no other definitive purpose or
meaning to life , including my own , outside of hedonism and
narcissism.

There is a popular saying that is often posted on a churches outdoor
sign ; it says :  No Peace, no God  ;  Know Peace , Know God.
Now that I am on the other side of the fence of life,  I see the
accuracy and truth
of this saying. What little peace i did have as an active Atheist,  it
was very shortlived because nothing or no one was truly/long lasting
Peace-filling.   Ive mixed with many atheists when i was one and now
that im not one...and they confess this to me sometimes verbally,
sometimes in email, and always by actions and lifestyle.  Is it the
same with you as one who desires to follow atheism ?

I shall stop here for the first post in this series and invite
discussion.

Dave

Why RU avoiding questions already posed to you, U ASSHOLE?

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> This is the first of a series of Psychology behind the Atheist
> Faith.

There's no point in reading any further, as you've already blown it.

A-theist = without a belief in a deity. Nothing more, nothing less.

i.e. the very point is that atheists don't have a religion or 
religious faith, so your whole series commences with a fallacy.

> 
> There is a popular saying that is often posted on a churches outdoor
> sign ; it says :  No Peace, no God

Well, 50% right is not bad, is it? The world has neither. The former 
is absent mainly because of believers in the latter.

I don't think that you posted anything else worth commenting on. Sad 
really.

regards, Ian

You clearly have a big hang up about sex.  You tell us about your 12
years of sexual experimentation and perversion which eventually so
disgusted you that you turned to religion as a means of controlling your
sexual appetite and behaviour.   That may be your personal psychology
but a desire for sexual experimentation and perversion was not our
motivation in becoming atheists.

The reason we are atheists has nothing whatsoever to do with sex but is
simply because we do not believe in gods.
--
********
DavidWG
********

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 3:28:03 +0100, IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote
(in message 
):

>  I mean no offense to those who read these posts who have the
> desire to be an atheist ; that is your perogative based on whatever
> reason(s) you may have.  

Fuck off then.

On Jun 30, 9:34 pm, Ken  wrote:
> Why RU avoiding questions already posed to you, U ASSHOLE?

REPLY:  You can try to interrupt this Series if you like th

On Jun 30, 9:34 pm, Ken  wrote:
> Why RU avoiding questions already posed to you, U ASSHOLE?

REPLY: You can try to interrupt this Series if you like thru regular
foul and vile personal attack verbage, but it wont work.

On Jul 1, 3:22 am, David Wynne-Griffiths  wrote:
> You clearly have a big hang up about sex.  You tell us about your 12
> years of sexual experimentation and perversion which eventually so
> disgusted you that you turned to religion as a means of controlling your
> sexual appetite and behaviour.   That may be your personal psychology
> but a desire for sexual experimentation and perversion was not our
> motivation in becoming atheists.
>
REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.   Without God,  Man
will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
the worldly man who operates on moral relativism ,  it is a vital
permissable entitlement .  To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
indulge in it.

On Jul 1, 4:09 am, Tim  wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 3:28:03 퍝, IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote
> (in message
> ):
>
> >  I mean no offense to those who read these posts who have the
> > desire to be an atheist ; that is your perogative based on whatever
> > reason(s) you may have.  to
>
> Fuck off then.

REPLY:  No Tim ;  whenever I do that I get blamed for running off  !
Stick around...this Series will be enlightening to you   as we discuss
the benefits of wanting to be an atheist despite evidence...because
its not really about the evidence required. Rather,  maximum personal
freedom.   We will get into this a bit deeper as time goes on.  Glad
you are joining in the discussion Tim.

On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:28:03 -0700 (PDT), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
 wrote:

>This is the first of a series of Psychology behind the Atheist
>Faith.   

What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?

>          I mean no offense to those who read these posts 

Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.

Did you also mean no offence to Jews when you painted swastikas on the
walls of their homes, serial liar?

The message

from "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"  contains these words:

> REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
> in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
> Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
> interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.   Without God,  Man
> will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
> perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
> the worldly man who operates on moral relativism ,  it is a vital
> permissable entitlement .  To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
> to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
> indulge in it.

Which Huxley?  Thomas Henry Huxley FRS, (1825–1895) was certainly a
supporter of Darwin and coined the term 'agnostic' to describe his views
on religion.  Aldous Leonard Huxley (1894–1963) was the well known
author of the Brave New World.  Matthew Huxley his much less well known
only son who died in 2005 was an anthropologist and prominent
epidemiologist. 

I recall we have seen this quotation before and it turned out to be false.   

While some persons may abandon a religion to avoid its strictures such
as the condemnation of homosexual activity, it very certainly was not
the motivation for the vast majority of atheists. We do not believe in
gods because there is no evidence that any such creatures exist.  Being
an atheist involves nothing more or less than the fact of not believing
in any gods. There is no particular psychology involved and atheists are
by definition less gullible and in general more intelligent and better
educated than religionists.

You have repeatedly shown us that you have not the first idea about what
makes people become atheists despite claiming to have been one yourself.
 Your attempts to lecture us only expose you to ridicule but perhaps
that is what you seek!

-- 
********
DavidWG
********

In the beginning, fear drove cavemen and women to observe completely 
natural events and create supernatural forces to explain what they were 
too ignorant to understand.
    Today, that ignorance continues in the lie of christianity and all 
other religions and those who follow their fable of choice live in 
abject jealousy of atheism.  Being the choice of intelligentsia for 
milennia, atheism is the only choice for those that wish to live, not 
just survive long enough to die pathetically in the broken pieces of 
their wasted existences.
    Tune in for more of this...all in these groups are invited to write 
or rewrite any of these chapters at any time...

On Jul 1, 5:45 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Jun 30, 9:34 pm, Ken  wrote:
>
> > Why RU avoiding questions already posed to you, U ASSHOLE?
>
> REPLY: You can try to interrupt this Series if you like thru regular
> foul and vile personal attack verbage, but it wont work.

Dimwit Dave.......fat faggot fundy fuckhead

Want proof?
Here he openly admits to doing "it"

Newsgroups: alt.guns
From: DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:26:17 -0600
Local: Tues, Nov 14 2006 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: Shop Wal*Mart for a Gay America!
And not JUST a regular run-of-the-mill bigot but a hypocrite bigot!
From: DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa)
Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:39:13 -0500
Organization: WebTV Subscriber

Matt: Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs?
prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to
be
sinful?'
 REPLY:  And what if it once did involve homosexuality many years ago
when i was a godless heathen Randy ?
Then what ?
It wouldnt make me a 'hypocritical Bigot' now since i dont do it.

What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than
your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?

CCPed from DavidWG's post

In article ,
 David Wynne-Griffiths  wrote:

> The message
> 
> from "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"  contains these words:
> 
> > REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
> > in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
> > Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
> > interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.

<snip>

> Which Huxley?

I presume that would be Julian. A brilliant man, who more or less 
originated the 'modern synthesis' of evolutionary biology, but often 
suffered alas from mental instability.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley>

Alwyn

On 2008-07-01, David Wynne-Griffiths  wrote:
> The message
>
> from "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"  contains these words:
>
>> REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
>> in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
>> Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
>> interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.   Without God,  Man
>> will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
>> perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
>> the worldly man who operates on moral relativism ,  it is a vital
>> permissable entitlement .  To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
>> to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
>> indulge in it.
>
> Which Huxley?  Thomas Henry Huxley FRS, (1825-1895) was certainly a
> supporter of Darwin and coined the term 'agnostic' to describe his views
> on religion.  Aldous Leonard Huxley (1894-1963) was the well known
> author of the Brave New World.  Matthew Huxley his much less well known
> only son who died in 2005 was an anthropologist and prominent
> epidemiologist. 

Or Julian Huxley or Andrew Huxley (of neuron fame) or Virginia Huxley
(U. of Missouri, school of medicine)

However Julian is the one usually named.  

> I recall we have seen this quotation before and it turned out to be false.   

Yup.  Or to be exact unsupported by any good evidence.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Uk/uk.philosophy.atheism/2006-08/msg00080.html


-- 
\----
|\* |  Emma Pease                          Net Spinster
|_\/                                       Die Luft der Freiheit weht

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

>>
> REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
> in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
> Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
> interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.   Without God,  Man
> will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
> perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
> the worldly man who operates on moral relativism ,  it is a vital
> permissable entitlement .  To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
> to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
> indulge in it.

This has been discussed before. Dave made the assertion previously 
but provided no supporting evidence or references - only that 2 
people he trusted saw it.

Judging by the historical and well demonstrated dishonesty of most 
of Dave's quotes I see no reason to assume that Huxley did say that, 
rather than the complete opposite.

However, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did. He was a little 
that way inclined and he had rather extreme views on eugenics.

regards, Ian

"Ian Smith"  wrote in message 
news:aImdnQGv14Ss6vfVnZ2dnUVZ8tPinZ2d@posted.plusnet...
> IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>>
>> REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
>> in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
>> Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
>> interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.   Without God,  Man
>> will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
>> perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
>> the worldly man who operates on moral relativism ,  it is a vital
>> permissable entitlement .  To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
>> to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
>> indulge in it.
>
> This has been discussed before. Dave made the assertion previously but 
> provided no supporting evidence or references - only that 2 people he 
> trusted saw it.
>
> Judging by the historical and well demonstrated dishonesty of most of 
> Dave's quotes I see no reason to assume that Huxley did say that, rather 
> than the complete opposite.
>
> However, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if he did. He was a little that 
> way inclined and he had rather extreme views on eugenics.
>
Dave has always mixed up his Huxleys, including Aldous for T.E.!!!
Graham

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 14:51:01 +0100, David Wynne-Griffiths
 wrote:

>The message
>
>from "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"  contains these words:
>
>> REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
>> in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
>> Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
>> interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.   Without God,  Man
>> will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
>> perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
>> the worldly man who operates on moral relativism ,  it is a vital
>> permissable entitlement .  To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
>> to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
>> indulge in it.
>
>Which Huxley?  Thomas Henry Huxley FRS, (1825–1895) was certainly a
>supporter of Darwin and coined the term 'agnostic' to describe his views
>on religion.  Aldous Leonard Huxley (1894–1963) was the well known
>author of the Brave New World.  Matthew Huxley his much less well known
>only son who died in 2005 was an anthropologist and prominent
>epidemiologist. 
>
>I recall we have seen this quotation before and it turned out to be false.   

He's lying once again. Britain at the time was very scientifically
oriented. Science and engineering were the progress that made it
prosperous. New research was rapidly accepted.

People wanted scientific understanding. Even the religious because the
CofE even  then wasn't literalist.

wrote

> Id like to start by saying that I labeled myself 'an Atheist' from
> the approx age of 17 to 29  and ran with a fairly large crowd of folks
> who considered themselves the same.  If i were asked if i believed in
> God , I would have answered :  &*$%#@  NO !!   I had my mind made up
> for a variety of what i thought were good reasons including :  The
> world is in too bad of state,  it appears that bad things happen to
> rather good people,  there was no convincing evidence of a God-Person
> nor did he want to show himself,  hes never done anything  for me,
> and Church Goers were all just a bunch of hypocrites to varying
> degrees.  My chosen lifestyle was one of 'personal discovery and
> quests' , namely,  whatever  I felt like doing for maximized pleasure
> with emphasis in the sexual area .  Some call it 'sowing your wild
> oats'  while others might call it ' Boys will be boys' .   For many
> years, this was my MO  since there was no other definitive purpose or
> meaning to life , including my own , outside of hedonism and
> narcissism.

In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.

> I shall stop here for the first post in this series and invite
> discussion.

You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given 
some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you 
were. Whilst you may not treat people in the same way as you did you still 
treat people badly. You're not fixed. Religion has just changed the type of 
bad behaviour you adopt.

Steve M

On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall"  wrote:

> In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.

> You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
> some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you
> were. Whilst you may not treat people in the same way as you did you still> treat people badly. You're not fixed. Religion has just changed the type of
> bad behaviour you adopt.
>
> Steve M

Nothing changed with Dimwit
He's still just an asshole who can't back up his bullshit

On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:28:03 -0700 (PDT), "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"
>
>  wrote:
> >This is the first of a series of Psychology behind the Atheist
> >Faith.  
>
> What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
>
> >          I mean no offense to those who read these posts
>
> Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
>
> Dinid you also mean no offence to Jews when you painted swastikas on the
> walls of their homes, serial liar?

REPLY:  Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ?????    Have
you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
materials bringing about personality traits ?  Have you ever seen ANY
sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos ?  Have you
seen what a stick of dynamite does in a Printing Shop ;  it doesnt
produce a one page thesis !   And if you did it hundreds of times each
hour and over 18 billion years with the wind blowing strong from the
west...it still wouldnt produce anything legible or complex or of
design.   Atheism is a FAITH because it requires non intelligent
materials by natural causes to make highly intelligent complexity such
as information in a DNA molecule.  There are definite reasons why
Atheists choose atheism as thier faith, and that will be presented in
our second installment of :  The Psychology behind Atheism.    Thanks
for your interest and your reply , albiet,  hostile .

On Jul 1, 8:51 am, David Wynne-Griffiths  wrote:
> The message
> 
> from "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  contains these words:
>
> > REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
> > in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
> > Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
> > interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.   Without God,  Man
> > will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
> > perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
> > the worldly man who operates on moral relativism ,  it is a vital
> > permissable entitlement .  To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
> > to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
> > indulge in it.
>
> Which Huxley?  Thomas Henry Huxley FRS, (1825–1895) was certainly a
> supporter of Darwin and coined the term 'agnostic' to describe his views
> on religion.  Aldous Leonard Huxley (1894–1963) was the well known
> author of the Brave New World.  Matthew Huxley his much less well known
> only son who died in 2005 was an anthropologist and prominent
> epidemiologist.
>
> I recall we have seen this quotation before and it turned out to be false.  
>
> While some persons may abandon a religion to avoid its strictures such
> as the condemnation of homosexual activity, it very certainly was not
> the motivation for the vast majority of atheists. We do not believe in
> gods because there is no evidence that any such creatures exist.  Being
> an atheist involves nothing more or less than the fact of not believing
> in any gods. There is no particular psychology involved and atheists are
> by definition less gullible and in general more intelligent and better
> educated than religionists.
>
> You have repeatedly shown us that you have not the first idea about what
> makes people become atheists despite claiming to have been one yourself.
>  Your attempts to lecture us only expose you to ridicule but perhaps
> that is what you seek!
>
> --
> ********
> DavidWGtribute
>

REPLY: Well , it wasnt Alduous then was it ?   The MANY attributes of
Personal Freedom/Entitlement  which makes atheism so alluring,  with
sexual freedom near the top,  will be discussed at length in upcoming
Posts in this series.  Thank you David.

On Jul 1, 11:02 am, Alwyn  wrote:
> In article ,
>  David Wynne-Griffiths  wrote:
>
> > The message
> > 
> > from "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  contains these words:
>
> > > REPLY:  Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
> > > in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of> > > Species  gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
> > > interferring with his and others Sexual Mores.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Which Huxley?
>
> I presume that would be Julian. A brilliant man, who more or less
> originated the 'modern synthesis' of evolutionary biology, but often
> suffered alas from mental instability.
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Huxley>
>
> Alwyn

REPLY:  Julian was sane enough when he appeared before millions of
Americans on TV in 1969  and made the statement he did which caused
Pastors around the world to fall off of their chairs !    He simply
exposed the MO behind atheism :  Maximum personal freedom without
absolute moral laws or being held to those kind of standards.  Thruout
history, there have always been motives to mankind based on
hedonism .  We will be talking about how our pesent society conforms
to atheistic philosophies so one can engage in as much fun ,
unrestrained.  Please come back.

On Jul 1, 5:27 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee  wrote:

> > What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
>
> > >          I mean no offense to those who read these posts
>
> > Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
>
> REPLY:  Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ?????    Have
> you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
> materials bringing about personality traits ?  Have you ever seen ANY
> sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos?

Isn't it about time you start ANSWERING questions instead of asking
more?

----What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than
your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?-----

DavidWG

On Jul 1, 6:11 pm, Ken  wrote:
> On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall"  wrote:
>
> > In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
> > You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
> > some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you
>

On Jul 1, 6:11 pm, Ken  wrote:
> On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall"  wrote:
>
> > In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
> > You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
> > some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you> > were. Whilst you may not treat people in the same way as you did you still
> > treat people badly. You're not fixed. Religion has just changed the type of

> > bad behaviour you adopt.
>
> > Steve M
>
> Nothing changed with Dimwit
> He's still just an asshole who can't back up his bullshit

REPLY:  Please dont disrupt the NG or this Series Ken ; please try
very hard to be respectful...just the way your Parents taught you when
you were growing up. Please honor your parents by rising above
reproach.   ---   by the way...there will be an upcoming segment on
talking any way you feel like because you wear the badge of :
'atheist' .

On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 17:27:09 -0700 (PDT), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
 wrote:

>On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee  wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:28:03 -0700 (PDT), "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >This is the first of a series of Psychology behind the Atheist
>> >Faith.  
>>
>> What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
>>
>> >          I mean no offense to those who read these posts
>>
>> Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
>>
>> Dinid you also mean no offence to Jews when you painted swastikas on the
>> walls of their homes, serial liar?
>
>REPLY:  Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ?????    

You know perfectly well it isn't,  in-your-face nasty serial liar.

You know that it takes no more faith not to believe in the god of your
religion than not believing in the fairies at the bottom of the
garden, deliberately nasty, in-your-face serial liar.

>                                                                                                      Have
>you ever seen macro evolution take place ? 

What's "macro evolution", serial liar?

You know that is a creationist canard, in-your-face liar?

You also know that evolution is nothing to do with atheism and vice
versa, serial liar.

As well as knowing that even in the educationally backward USA, maybe
four times as many Christians as atheists acknowledge it as the
scientific fact that it is, serial liar.

>                                                                        Have you ever witnessed
>materials bringing about personality traits ?  

What the fuck has your straw man got to do with not believing in the
god of somebody else's religion, mindless retard?

>                                                                        Have you ever seen ANY
>sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos ? 

What the fuck has your straw man got to do with not believing in the
god of somebody else's religion, mindless retard?

Do you really imagine your repeated dishonesty fools anybody?

>                                                                                               Have you
>seen what a stick of dynamite does in a Printing Shop ;  it doesnt

What the fuck are you babbling about, certifiable lunatic?

>produce a one page thesis !   And if you did it hundreds of times each
>hour and over 18 billion years with the wind blowing strong from the
>west...it still wouldnt produce anything legible or complex or of
>design.   

What a fucking moron.

>             Atheism is a FAITH because it requires non intelligent

Liar. It means not believing in your pretend friend any more than you
believe in the fairies at the bottom of the garden.

But then you knew this anyway, serial liar.

>materials by natural causes to make highly intelligent complexity such
>as information in a DNA molecule.  There are definite reasons why

Again, what the fuck has your straw man got to do with nor believing
in the god of somebody else's religion, serial liar?

>Atheists choose atheism as thier faith, 

What "faith" were you lying about, deliberately nasty serial liar?

Atheists have no reason to believe in the god of somebody else's
religion. Why do you pretend otherwise, serial liar?

There is no choice involved, in-your-face, deliberately nasty serial
liar.

>                                                                and that will be presented in
>our second installment of :  The Psychology behind Atheism.    Thanks
>for your interest and your reply , albiet,  hostile .

What do you imagine you achieve by your repeated bigoted lies,
in-you-face nasty, psychopathic serial liar?

On Jul 1, 7:36 pm, Ken  wrote:
> On Jul 1, 5:27 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee  wrote:
> > > What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
>
> > > >          I mean no offense to those who read these posts
>
> > > Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
>
> > REPLY:  Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ?????    Have
> > you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
> > materials bringing about personality traits ?  Have you ever seen ANY
> > sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos?
>
> Isn't it about time you start ANSWERING questions instead of asking
> more?
>
> ----What is the highest level of education you reached?
> Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
> To what level did you study physics and biology?
>
REPLY:  David, Please email me with any and all non-pertinent
questions to our Series such as the ones youve asked here.  This venue
is to discuss our Series which is the original post.  Thanks.

On Jul 1, 5:54 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Jul 1, 7:36 pm, Ken  wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 5:27 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee  wrote:
> > > > What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
>
> > > > >          I mean no offense to those who read these posts
>
> > > > Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
>
> > > REPLY:  Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ?????    Have
> > > you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
> > > materials bringing about personality traits ?  Have you ever seen ANY
> > > sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos?
>
> > Isn't it about time you start ANSWERING questions instead of asking
> > more?
>
> > ----What is the highest level of education you reached?
> > Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
> > To what level did you study physics and biology?
>
> REPLY:  David, Please email me with any and all non-pertinent
> questions to our Series such as the ones youve asked here.  This venue
> is to discuss our Series which is the original post.  Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

There is no "we"

On Jul 1, 5:49 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Jul 1, 6:11 pm, Ken  wrote:
>
> > On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall"  wrote> > > In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
> > > You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
> > > some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you
> > > were. Whilst you may not treat people in the same way as you did you still
> > > treat people badly. You're not fixed. Religion has just changed the type of
> > > bad behaviour you adopt.
>
> > > Steve M
>
> > Nothing changed with Dimwit
> > He's still just an asshole who can't back up his bullshit
>
> REPLY:  Please dont disrupt the NG

I'm not the one disrupting this group, U ASSHOLE


> please try very hard to be respectful

Kiss my ass, FUCKHEAD

.just the way your Parents taught you when
> you were growing up. Please honor your parents by rising above
> reproach.  

Both my parents have been dead for many many years....Dad died in 47,
maw in 66

 by the way...there will be an upcoming segment on
> talking any way you feel like because you wear the badge of :
> 'atheist' .

Who gives a flying fuck what you think, ASSHOLE

Why can't you answer a few simple questions, U ASSHOLE?

-----What is the highest level of education you reached?
Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
To what level did you study physics and biology?
What qualifies you to lecture us on your religion?
Why is the account of the creation in Genesis so confused and
scientifically illiterate?
What evidence do you have for your alleged theistic creator other
than your customary arguments from ignorance and incredulity?
Why was your alleged intelligent designer so bad at designing?-----

CCPed from DavidWG

On Jul 1, 5:43 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> > On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall"  wrote:> > > In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
> > > You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have only given
> > > some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better behaved now than you

And he's still one, only now he added the title of asshole his resume

On Jul 1, 9:27 pm, Ken  wrote:
> On Jul 1, 5:54 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 7:36 pm, Ken  wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 5:27 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee  wrote> > > > > What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?
>
> > > > > >          I mean no offense to those who read these posts
>
> > > > > Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.
>
> > > > REPLY:  Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ?????    Have
> > > > you ever seen macro evolution take place ? Have you ever witnessed
> > > > materials bringing about personality traits ?  Have you ever seen ANY
> > > > sort of a big bang explosion result in anything but chaos?
>
> > > Isn't it about time you start ANSWERING questions instead of asking
> > > more?
>
> > > ----What is the highest level of education you reached?
> > > Do you have a professional qualification and if so what?
> > > To what level did you study physics and biology?
>
> > REPLY:  David, Please email me with any and all non-pertinent
> > questions to our Series such as the ones youve asked here.  This venue
> > is to discuss our Series which is the original post.  Thanks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> There is no "we"- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

   There is in DILV's head..PLENTY of voices, buddy...and not the kind
that say anything true or helpful...he thinks being demented is a
virtue..oh, wait a minute..that's what his faith is all about...

In article 
,
 "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"  wrote:
> 
> REPLY:  Julian was sane enough when he appeared before millions of
> Americans on TV in 1969  and made the statement he did which caused
> Pastors around the world to fall off of their chairs !

Julian Huxley never appeared on the television show and never spoke 
those words. This is another big lie that creationists like to spout.

Details here:
<http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/julian_huxley_lie.html>

You know no shame, do you?

Alwyn

Alwyn wrote:
> In article 
> ,
>  "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"  wrote:
>> REPLY:  Julian was sane enough when he appeared before millions of
>> Americans on TV in 1969  and made the statement he did which caused
>> Pastors around the world to fall off of their chairs !
> 
> Julian Huxley never appeared on the television show and never spoke 
> those words. This is another big lie that creationists like to spout.
> 
> Details here:
> <http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/julian_huxley_lie.html>
> 
> You know no shame, do you?
> 
> Alwyn

Well researched.

Dave exposed yet again propagating his lies for Jesus!

So, Dave, what about the 2 friends that you trust who saw the show?

regards, Ian

The message <x-qdna-rboxPsfbVRVnyiwA@posted.plusnet>
from Ian Smith  contains these words:

> > Julian Huxley never appeared on the television show and never spoke 
> > those words. This is another big lie that creationists like to spout.
> > 
> > Details here:
> > <http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/julian_huxley_lie.html>
> > 
> > You know no shame, do you?
> > 
> > Alwyn

> Well researched.

> Dave exposed yet again propagating his lies for Jesus!

The idiot is fixated about his sex life and determined to believe that
we became atheists to avoid religious constraints on our sex lives.  The
best he can come up with to support his opinion is a faked report of an
interview with Julian Huxley whose views are anyway of little importance
or significance.   He then confuses belief in evolution with atheism and
is seemingly unaware that most religious people believe in evolution and
only a minority are dim enough to believe that the creation myth in
Genesis is anything more than a myth.

-- 
********
DavidWG
********

IlBeBauck@gmail.com  wrote:

> 
> REPLY:  Please dont disrupt the NG or this Series Ken ; please try
> very hard to be respectful.

Pfffuck. A demarcation dispute! Disrupting this newsgroup is your job,
right?

There was a recent discussion about whether you deserve to be treated
with respect or not. I'd say an emphatic "not". I'd say you forfeit your
right to be treated respectfully every time you send one of your
preposterous posts. You're obviously just here to stir up trouble and
annoy people. You deserve nothing but contempt.

You imagine you're taking "The Good Fight" behind enemy lines, don't
you? You think you're making some sort of difference. You think that
what you have to say matters. Well dream on, provocation-boy. 

I'd say "Go to hell", but there isn't one, so I'll just say this
instead: May you drown in that putrid lake of yours. And may your
bloated, rotting corpse float aimlessly on the wandering currents until
someone with sufficient intestinal fortitude can poke holes in you with
a pointy stick, allowing the foetid gas to escape, and you to finally
settle among the scum and detritus at the bottom where you belong. And
may the archaeologists who dig up your bleached bones a million years
hence decide that your remains are of no historical value whatsoever and
unceremoniously toss them into an industrial waste bin from whence they
are finally spewed into a stinking rubbish dump to rot forever among the
toxic waste and garbage of an illegal landfill.

P.S. Where's that bottle of wine you owe me?

-- 
Jon

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news:a927ee49-0f65-462e-8ac5-1e5f68393f14@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 1, 8:51 am, David Wynne-Griffiths  wrote:
> The message
> 
> from "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  contains these words:
>
> > REPLY: Even popular evolutionist Huxley on the Merv Griffith TV Show
> > in 1969 told millions of Americans that the reason the book Origins of
> > Species gained such popularity was because it eliminated God
> > interferring with his and others Sexual Mores. Without God, Man
> > will gravitate toward the sensual .... sexual immorality and often
> > perversion , because it is the highest pleasurable experience and for
> > the worldly man who operates on moral relativism , it is a vital
> > permissable entitlement . To not act on this 'entitlement' , is akin
> > to giving a child his favorite ice cream and telling him not to
> > indulge in it.
>
> Which Huxley? Thomas Henry Huxley FRS, (1825–1895) was certainly a
> supporter of Darwin and coined the term 'agnostic' to describe his views
> on religion. Aldous Leonard Huxley (1894–1963) was the well known
> author of the Brave New World. Matthew Huxley his much less well known
> only son who died in 2005 was an anthropologist and prominent
> epidemiologist.
>
> I recall we have seen this quotation before and it turned out to be false.
>
> While some persons may abandon a religion to avoid its strictures such
> as the condemnation of homosexual activity, it very certainly was not
> the motivation for the vast majority of atheists. We do not believe in
> gods because there is no evidence that any such creatures exist. Being
> an atheist involves nothing more or less than the fact of not believing
> in any gods. There is no particular psychology involved and atheists are
> by definition less gullible and in general more intelligent and better
> educated than religionists.
>
> You have repeatedly shown us that you have not the first idea about what
> makes people become atheists despite claiming to have been one yourself.
> Your attempts to lecture us only expose you to ridicule but perhaps
> that is what you seek!



***REPLY: Well , it wasnt Alduous then was it ?   ***

It's not (another) one of your questions .....
You need not put the question mark at the end,  it is a statement  -  and 
one of fact, at that..
A shameful response frankly, having asserted you *knew*  two people 
personally that had watched the said broadcast......  you know, the one that 
did not take place..!
In all of this morality nonsense that you seem to favour as a holy grail 
does deception, lying and dishonesty not figure...?
You, and your weapon loading creationist myopics,  are culpable of this 
immoral behaviour......  it's hypocritically disgraceful.


Mark

In article ,
 David Wynne-Griffiths  wrote:
> 
> The idiot is fixated about his sex life and determined to believe that
> we became atheists to avoid religious constraints on our sex lives.

... while those of us who read newspapers are all too aware that being a 
Christian does little to inhibit many people from indulging in all sorts 
of sexual irregularities, including kiddy fiddling.

Alwyn

The idiot's hang up on sex seems to be his main motivation for the
drivel he posts here.  I wonder what particular sexual activity he was
seeking to constrain by becoming a fundie? 
-- 
********
DavidWG
********

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 wrote in message 
news:adbada63-9525-418b-a657-8f56bef6edb1@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 1, 4:09 am, Tim  wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 3:28:03 +0100, IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote
> (in message
> ):
>
> > I mean no offense to those who read these posts who have the
> > desire to be an atheist ; that is your perogative based on whatever
> > reason(s) you may have. to
>
> Fuck off then.

*** REPLY:  No Tim ;  whenever I do that I get blamed for running off  ! ***


If, when you did depart from here,  you did not come back...  then you would 
not be accused ("blamed") of anything.
I'm evermore fascinated by what you imagine, or believe, you are achieving 
in this ng.   Apart from the fact that most, if not all, in this ng have 
already rationalised and intellectualised about the thunderous probability 
there is no god,  your almost infantile approach of prostelysing conversion 
is without merit or forethought.   You actually re-inforce peoples notion of 
a godless universe by your ridiculous assertions - most/many/all of which 
have been shown to be blatantly wrong.
Your ridiculous, albeit tongue in cheek, postings as some sort of 
educational thread show you are intellectually incapable of  reasoning  and 
no amount of repetitive diatribe, harvested from seriously corrupt 
creationist websites, will alter your own personal (in)capability to express 
your own thoughts.
You keep this ng animated, that's for sure but I doubt you realise that you 
are nothing more than the court jester - a plaything for those more ably 
suited  - with an absolute zero chance of  convincing anyone about the 
existence of your superstitious deity..

Mark

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 09:11:12 +0100, David Wynne-Griffiths
 wrote:

>The message <x-qdna-rboxPsfbVRVnyiwA@posted.plusnet>
>from Ian Smith  contains these words:
>
>> > Julian Huxley never appeared on the television show and never spoke 
>> > those words. This is another big lie that creationists like to spout.
>> > 
>> > Details here:
>> > <http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/julian_huxley_lie.html>
>> > 
>> > You know no shame, do you?
>> > 
>> > Alwyn
>
>> Well researched.
>
>> Dave exposed yet again propagating his lies for Jesus!
>
>The idiot is fixated about his sex life and determined to believe that
>we became atheists to avoid religious constraints on our sex lives.  The
>best he can come up with to support his opinion is a faked report of an
>interview with Julian Huxley whose views are anyway of little importance
>or significance.   He then confuses belief in evolution with atheism and
>is seemingly unaware that most religious people believe in evolution and
>only a minority are dim enough to believe that the creation myth in
>Genesis is anything more than a myth.

It's a standard bigoted nastiness. Rationalise any personal lie
however vicious, rather than admit the obvious: that when one has no
reason to believe something one doesn't.

Too many Christians do that. Self-righteously and smugly thinking they
tell home truths about us, to us.

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 wrote in message 
news:6c1cfd3e-f4bb-4bc1-8c44-746607ddc5ac@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 1, 8:43 am, Christopher A. Lee  wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:28:03 -0700 (PDT), "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"

> What "Atheist faith", deliberately nasty liar?


> > I mean no offense to those who read these posts

Then stop lying ...


> Lying psychopath. That's exactly why you do it.




***REPLY:  Didnt you know that Atheism is based on Faith ?????    ***

Didn't you know that Atheism is NOT based on Faith ?????




***Have you ever seen macro evolution take place ? ***

Have you ever seen a neutron spin around an atom ?
Is personal witness the only way to confirm existence..?
Have you EVER seen any transitional fossils ?




Mark

On Jul 1, 10:51 pm, Alwyn  wrote:
> In article
> ,
>
>  "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
>
> > REPLY:  Julian was sane enough when he appeared before millions of
> > Americans on TV in 1969  and made the statement he did which caused
> > Pastors around the world to fall off of their chairs !
>
> Julian Huxley never appeared on the television show and never spoke
> those words. This is another big lie that creationists like to spout.
>
> Details here:
> <http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/julian_huxley_lie.html>
>
> You know no shame, do you?
>
> Alwyn

Dave has been informed several times of the actual truth behind this
"incident", that it NEVER HAPPENED and yet, being a lying asshole,
continues to hope someone will believe him

On Jul 2, 3:10 am, David Wynne-Griffiths  wrote:
> The idiot's hang up on sex seems to be his main motivation for the
> drivel he posts here.  I wonder what particular sexual activity he was
> seeking to constrain by becoming a fundie?
> --
> ********
> DavidWG
> ********

At the risk of being a broken reciord....He admits to being bisexual:

Newsgroups: alt.guns
From: DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa)
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:26:17 -0600
Local: Tues, Nov 14 2006 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: Shop Wal*Mart for a Gay America!

Matt: Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs?
prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to
be
sinful?'
REPLY: Yes on most of those, prior to acceptance of making Christ the
Lord of my everyday life.
REPLY:  And what if it once did involve homosexuality many years ago
when i was a godless heathen Randy ?
Then what ?
It wouldnt make me a 'hypocritical Bigot' now since i dont do it

On Jul 2, 2:34 am, jskin...@senet.com.au (Jon Skinner) wrote:
> IlBeBa...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> > REPLY:  Please dont disrupt the NG or this Series Ken ; please try
> > very hard to be respectful.
>
> Pfffuck. A demarcation dispute! Disrupting this newsgroup is your job,
> right?
>
> There was a recent discussion about whether you deserve to be treated
> with respect or not. I'd say an emphatic "not". I'd say you forfeit your
> right to be treated respectfully every time you send one of your
> preposterous posts. You're obviously just here to stir up trouble and
> annoy people. You deserve nothing but contempt.
>
> You imagine you're taking "The Good Fight" behind enemy lines, don't
> you? You think you're making some sort of difference. You think that
> what you have to say matters. Well dream on, provocation-boy.
>
> I'd say "Go to hell", but there isn't one, so I'll just say this
> instead: May you drown in that putrid lake of yours. And may your
> bloated, rotting corpse float aimlessly on the wandering currents until
> someone with sufficient intestinal fortitude can poke holes in you with
> a pointy stick, allowing the foetid gas to escape, and you to finally
> settle among the scum and detritus at the bottom where you belong. And
> may the archaeologists who dig up your bleached bones a million years
> hence decide that your remains are of no historical value whatsoever and
> unceremoniously toss them into an industrial waste bin from whence they
> are finally spewed into a stinking rubbish dump to rot forever among the
> toxic waste and garbage of an illegal landfill.

> Jon

"Ditto"....One of the great lines from "Blazing Saddles"

The message 
from Alwyn  contains these words:

> ... while those of us who read newspapers are all too aware that being a 
> Christian does little to inhibit many people from indulging in all sorts 
> of sexual irregularities, including kiddy fiddling.

Unfortunately all too true hence the millions paid out in compensation
to those abused.   The churches encourage sexual activity between
husband and wife while condemning those who indulge in rape, sodomy or
adultery.
--
********
DavidWG
********

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 1, 6:11 pm, Ken  wrote:
>> On Jul 1, 1:29 pm, "Steve Marshall" 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In other words you were an irresposible jerk. You're no better now.
>>> You've demonstrated you know bugger all about psychology and have
>>> only given some anecdotal tale of how you think you are better
>>> behaved now than you were. Whilst you may not treat people in the
>>> same way as you did you still treat people badly. You're not fixed.
>>> Religion has just changed the type of
>
>>> bad behaviour you adopt.
>>
>>> Steve M
>>
>> Nothing changed with Dimwit
>> He's still just an asshole who can't back up his bullshit
>
> REPLY:  Please dont disrupt the NG or this Series Ken ; please try
> very hard to be respectful...just the way your Parents taught you when
> you were growing up. Please honor your parents by rising above
> reproach.   ---   by the way...there will be an upcoming segment on
> talking any way you feel like because you wear the badge of :
> 'atheist' .

Dimwit: I wear the badge of "Pagan"; but quite independantly to that I say:

"Go fuck yourself with a chainsaw you obnoxious waste of bandwidth.."


-- 
http://www.kustomkomputa.co.uk
Personalised Desktop Computers

The message 
from Ken  contains these words:

> The idiot's hang up on sex seems to be his main motivation for the
> > drivel he posts here.  I wonder what particular sexual activity he was
> > seeking to constrain by becoming a fundie?

> At the risk of being a broken record....He admits to being bisexual:

I thought that either sodomy or paedophilia was probably involved for
the guilt complex seems to be immense. 

-- 
********
DavidWG
********

On Jul 1, 5:45 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On Jun 30, 9:34 pm, Ken  wrote:
>
> > Why RU avoiding questions already posed to you, U ASSHOLE?
>
> REPLY: You can try to interrupt this Series if you like thru regular
> foul and vile personal attack verbage, but it wont work.

If you haven't noticed this already, DILV likes being called an a-
hole.
He enjoys the notoriety of acting like one, it provides the attention
he desperately craves, plus it gives him a purpose in life.

BTW**********When do you intend to answer my simple questions?
**********

Do you see the world only in black and white, good and evil, right
and wrong?
Do you noticed a detachment from your job, friends or relatives or a
breakdown in your personal relationships?
Do you think you've ever gotten special messages from your god or
that your god can fix all your problems?
What about your uncompromising judgmental attitudes or shame-based
belief that you aren't good enough as you exist today?
How about your overt attitude of righteousness or superiority?
Do you find yourself in daily conflict with science, medicine, and
education, but spend excessive amounts of your time obsessive
praying, going to church, crusades, and quoting scripture?

Sandy