This story illustrates how the creationist line of "a mutation is 
always harmful" or "a beneficial mutation has never been observed" 
is simply tosh:

http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06/02/a_new_step_in_evolution.php

Another creationist "argument from ignorance" dissolves in the harsh 
light of good science.

regards, Ian

On Jun 11, 3:22 pm, Ian Smith 
wrote:
> This story illustrates how the creationist line of "a mutation is
> always harmful" or "a beneficial mutation has never been observed"
> is simply tosh:
>
> http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06/02/a_new_step_in_evolution.php
>
> Another creationist "argument from ignorance" dissolves in the harsh
> light of good science.
>
> regards, Ian

Ian,  I know that you dont examine your human body and conclude it was
just a random bunch of accidents ;  does your Body look like a load of
accidents ?  Does your human anatomy resemble inch by inch of
accidental mutations ?   Does life seem like one giant unpurposed
accident, or, if i examined your personal daily life...would it be
conducted having purpose to it ?  Could you answer these questions .
Thanks.

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On Jun 11, 3:22 pm, Ian Smith 
wrote:
> This story illustrates how the creationist line of "a mutation is
> always harmful" or "a beneficial mutation has never been observed"
> is simply tosh:
>
> http://scienceblogs.com/loom/2008/06/02/a_new_step_in_evolution.php
>
> Another creationist "argument from ignorance" dissolves in the harsh
> light of good science.
>
> regards, Ian



**Ian,  I know that you dont examine your human body and conclude it was
just a random bunch of accidents ;  **

Nope.   It was, and is, evolution.   A proven fact.  We have ancestors that 
were not identical to us and further back, genetically proven, we have much 
more basic life form ancestry.
Fact.


**does your Body look like a load of
accidents ?  **


Nope.   It evolved into this form.   Fact.


**Does your human anatomy resemble inch by inch of
accidental mutations ?  **

What difference would it make if it did.... or didn't..?


 **Does life seem like one giant unpurposed
accident, or, if i examined your personal daily life...would it be
conducted having purpose to it ? **

 At the most basic level we, as an evolved species, are here to replicate 
and continue the process.
At more esoteric levels we all have our own personal purposes....for many, 
it involves creating a family and reproducing offspring for whom we like to 
provide.
Loving another human being can be a very fulfilling purpose.....


**Could you answer these questions .
Thanks.**


I have...
Now, perhaps you would address the countless questions posed to you by just 
about everybody on this ng...?


Mark

On Jun 12, 4:46 am, "mark"  wrote:

> **Could you answer these questions .
> Thanks.**
>
> I have...
> Now, perhaps you would address the countless questions posed to you by just
> about everybody on this ng...?
>
> Mark


Starting with these (which I've asked over a dozen times)

Why are you so afraid of confronting the obvious symptoms of your
religious addictions?
Do you see the world only in black and white, good and evil, right
and wrong?
Do you noticed a detachment from your job, friends or relatives or a
breakdown in your personal relationships?
Do you think you've ever gotten special messages from your god or
that your god can fix all your problems?
What about your uncompromising judgmental attitudes or shame-based
belief that you aren't good enough as you exist today?
How about your overt attitude of righteousness or superiority?
Do you find yourself in daily conflict with science, medicine, and
education, but spend excessive amounts of your time obsessive
praying, going to church, crusades, and quoting scripture?


Of course to you, all of this is perfectly normal, isn't it?

Or is all this because everyone else is wrong and you're the only one
who's thinking correctly?

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

> Ian,  I know that you dont examine your human body and conclude it was
> just a random bunch of accidents ;  does your Body look like a load of
> accidents ?  Does your human anatomy resemble inch by inch of
> accidental mutations ?   Does life seem like one giant unpurposed
> accident, or, if i examined your personal daily life...would it be
> conducted having purpose to it ?  Could you answer these questions .
> Thanks.

I'd be delighted to...

"I know that you dont examine your human body and conclude it was
just a random bunch of accidents ;  does your Body look like a load 
of accidents ?  Does your human anatomy resemble inch by inch of
accidental mutations ?"

No it doesn't look like any sort of accident. It looks, according to 
every piece of evidence that we have ever seen, to be a product of 
evolution - a process that is well documented in science literature. 
You might like to try reading some to prevent yourself making silly 
mistakes like using the word "accident" to describe it.

"Does life seem like one giant unpurposed accident, or, if i 
examined your personal daily life...would it be conducted having 
purpose to it ?"

There are two questions here:

Life has a purpose: in the context that the most successful genes 
are the ones that survive by replicating themselves (in this context 
we may not be the life that matters, replication of the genes may be 
the focus, or the "purpose" in your terminology). Again, this is 
well documented - I can recommend Richard Dawkins' book "The Selfish 
Gene".

My daily life: is governed by my conciousness (the human spirit) and 
has many purposes. One major purpose in my life is to ensure that my 
kids get a good start in their life, and any future grandchildren do 
too, but we are back to evolution and my previous answer again, 
aren't we?

regards, Ian

mark wrote:

> 
> I have...
> Now, perhaps you would address the countless questions posed to you by just 
> about everybody on this ng...?
> Mark

Mark,

I posted my answer before I saw yours - I'm amazed at how similar we 
got it!

regards, Ian

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"Ian Smith"  wrote in message 
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> mark wrote:
>
>>
>> I have...
>> Now, perhaps you would address the countless questions posed to you by 
>> just about everybody on this ng...?
>> Mark
>
> Mark,
>
> I posted my answer before I saw yours - I'm amazed at how similar we got 
> it!
>
> regards, Ian


Remarkably close....!!
;+))

great minds and all that...?



Mark

[probably have to wait until sunday for any sort of response now...]

mark  wrote:

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> "Ian Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:Iu2dnT5xX_OluczVRVnyjgA@posted.plusnet...
> > mark wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I have...
> >> Now, perhaps you would address the countless questions posed to you by
> >> just about everybody on this ng...?
> >> Mark
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > I posted my answer before I saw yours - I'm amazed at how similar we got
> > it!
> >
> > regards, Ian
> 
> 
> Remarkably close....!!
> ;+))
> 
> great minds and all that...?

Pah. You guys are obviously just reading from the same page of the
Atheist Conspiracy Handbook.

> 
> Mark
> 
> [probably have to wait until sunday for any sort of response now...]

You sound disappointed. Not to worry, I can give you a Dave response
right now if you like...

REPLY: How can personality come from rocks and dirt blah blah blah I
used to be an atheist blah blah something about 250 physics constants
yada yada atheism is a religion rhubarb rhubarb some random quotes from
a creationist website yackety yak 10 to the power of 40,000 somethings
and Jesus wants me for a sunbeam so there.

How 'd I do?
-- 
Jon

Jon Skinner wrote:

> 
> REPLY: How can personality come from rocks and dirt blah blah blah I
> used to be an atheist blah blah something about 250 physics constants
> yada yada atheism is a religion rhubarb rhubarb some random quotes from
> a creationist website yackety yak 10 to the power of 40,000 somethings
> and Jesus wants me for a sunbeam so there.
> 
> How 'd I do?

Nope - close, but no cigar. The "Jesus wants me for a sunbeam" bit 
is a nice humorous touch but makes it sound too child-like. You can 
always forgive a child for this sort of thing prior to rational 
analytical thought processes kicking in, but in Dave and his friends 
it has moved into complete delusion and the need to exclude all 
evidence that doesn't align with their beliefs.

I set out to find the obvious quote from Mark Twain and found so 
many other good ones on religion:

"I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning 
religion and politics a man's reasoning powers are not above the 
monkey's." - Mark Twain in Eruption

regards, Ian

In article <be7348f5-d509-4c35-a293-
b4f7c73f6b6f@w7g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, IlBeBauck@gmail.com says...

> I know that you dont examine your human body and conclude it was
> just a random bunch of accidents ;  does your Body look like a load of
> accidents ?

No, but it certainly doesn't look like some fairy in the sky sprinkled 
some magic dust on clay, and up I popped!

Jim

On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:14:30 -0700 (PDT), "IlBeBauck@gmail.com"
 wrote:

>does your Body look like a load of
>accidents ?

It feels like it most mornings!! Especially in winter.