" There is no 'mythical deity" says the resident idiot.    Agreed!
Almost all religions revolve round a mythical deity which does not and
never has existed except in the imagination of believers.   This is why
no one anywhere has ever been able to produce any convincing evidence
that their deity exists.

Creation by a mythical deity is just a fairy tale and is thoroughly
improbable nonsense which explains nothing.   Evolution on the other
hand can be demonstrated and provides a coherent explanation.

Some of the theists are very reluctant to admit that evolution is the
answer because the function of their imaginary god is much reduced if it
was not the creator.  The concept attacks their fragile faith so they
must deny it at all costs and thus make the pathetic exhibition of their
abysmal ignorance they demonstrate to us here.

-- 
********
David WG
********

On May 30, 2:38 am, David Wynne-Griffiths 
wrote:
> " There is no 'mythical deity" says the resident idiot.    Agreed!
> Almost all religions revolve round a mythical deity which does not and
> never has existed except in the imagination of believers.   This is why
> no one anywhere has ever been able to produce any convincing evidence
> that their deity exists.
>
> Creation by a mythical deity is just a fairy tale and is thoroughly
> improbable nonsense which explains nothing.   Evolution on the other
> hand can be demonstrated and provides a coherent explanation.
>
> Some of the theists are very reluctant to admit that evolution is the
> answer because the function of their imaginary god is much reduced if it
> was not the creator.  The concept attacks their fragile faith so they
> must deny it at all costs and thus make the pathetic exhibition of their
> abysmal ignorance they demonstrate to us here.
>
> --
> ********
> David WG
> ********

REPLY:  Why isnt design and required razor edge engineering enough
evidence for you ?  Why dont you want to go looking for it , and, what
is it about atheism that you find philosophically appealing ?

On May 30, 12:38 am, David Wynne-Griffiths 
wrote:
> " There is no 'mythical deity" says the resident idiot.    Agreed!
> Almost all religions revolve round a mythical deity which does not and
> never has existed except in the imagination of believers.   This is why
> no one anywhere has ever been able to produce any convincing evidence
> that their deity exists.
>
> Creation by a mythical deity is just a fairy tale and is thoroughly
> improbable nonsense which explains nothing.   Evolution on the other
> hand can be demonstrated and provides a coherent explanation.
>
> Some of the theists are very reluctant to admit that evolution is the
> answer because the function of their imaginary god is much reduced if it
> was not the creator.  The concept attacks their fragile faith so they
> must deny it at all costs and thus make the pathetic exhibition of their
> abysmal ignorance they demonstrate to us here.
>
> --
> ********
> David WG
> ********

I can't possibly understand a combined delusion that all Xtians seem
to have that somehow somewhere in a Universe with perhaps billions of
galaxies each with hundreds of millions of stars many with planets,
they find the need to cling to their hope that some invisible god-
being is watching every action and every creature on every planet
where life exists, keeping track of their every action, then sends
them to some afterlife after reviewing their life history

That's crazy, insane, non-rational, and just plain STUPID

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"Ken"  wrote in message 
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On May 30, 12:38 am, David Wynne-Griffiths 


I can't possibly understand a combined delusion that all Xtians seem
to have that somehow somewhere in a Universe with perhaps billions of
galaxies each with hundreds of millions of stars many with planets,
they find the need to cling to their hope that some invisible god-
being is watching every action and every creature on every planet
where life exists, keeping track of their every action, then sends
them to some afterlife after reviewing their life history

That's crazy, insane, non-rational, and just plain STUPID

I know it's early days but.....  how would the discovery of any life form on 
Mars fit with the christian idealogy......?
Would it seriously impact their notion that there is only life on this 
planet....?  [..at least, that's how I understand their position to be..]



Mark

On May 30, 7:55 am, "mark"  wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes"Ken"  wrote in message
>
> news:ece69805-3f02-4d4f-ac60-a90ec1bf30ab@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On May 30, 12:38 am, David Wynne-Griffiths 
>
> I can't possibly understand a combined delusion that all Xtians seem
> to have that somehow somewhere in a Universe with perhaps billions of
> galaxies each with hundreds of millions of stars many with planets,
> they find the need to cling to their hope that some invisible god-
> being is watching every action and every creature on every planet
> where life exists, keeping track of their every action, then sends
> them to some afterlife after reviewing their life history
>
> That's crazy, insane, non-rational, and just plain STUPID
>
> I know it's early days but.....  how would the discovery of any life form on
> Mars fit with the christian idealogy......?
> Would it seriously impact their notion that there is only life on this
> planet....?  [..at least, that's how I understand their position to be..> Mark

I'm sure they'd say somthing like........."This new discovery of past
(or even present) microbial life on Mars just proves that our
imaginary sky fairy is controlling every aspect of the entire universe
in minute detail"

Xtians sure need to have rather fantastic imaginations, combinded with
limited intellect to believe all the bullcrap they're fed

On May 30, 9:55 am, "mark"  wrote:
> X-No-Archive: yes"Ken"  wrote in message
>
> news:ece69805-3f02-4d4f-ac60-a90ec1bf30ab@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> On May 30, 12:38 am, David Wynne-Griffiths 
>
> I can't possibly understand a combined delusion that all Xtians seem
> to have that somehow somewhere in a Universe with perhaps billions of
> galaxies each with hundreds of millions of stars many with planets,
> they find the need to cling to their hope that some invisible god-
> being is watching every action and every creature on every planet
> where life exists, keeping track of their every action, then sends
> them to some afterlife after reviewing their life history
>
> That's crazy, insane, non-rational, and just plain STUPID
>
> I know it's early days but.....  how would the discovery of any life form on
> Mars fit with the christian idealogy......?
> Would it seriously impact their notion that there is only life on this
> planet....?  [..at least, that's how I understand their position to be..> Mark

If theres more life in the  universe, guess what ?  ,  it doesnt
negate the need for a Creator. It increases the need for one !

The message 
from Ken  contains these words:

> Xtians sure need to have rather fantastic imaginations, combined with
> limited intellect to believe all the bullcrap they're fed

Combined with enormous conceit about their importance!

-- 
********
David WG
********

The idiot continues the argument from ignorance.  If the parameters had
been different then we would have evolved differently to suit the
relevant criteria in the same way that the water in a puddle exactly
matches the contours of the puddle.

There is nothing particularly attractive about not believing in gods and
we are atheists simply because there is no credible evidence to support
the existence of any god and we lack the gullibility and stupidity
needed to be a believer.

--
********
 David WG
********

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> REPLY:  Why isnt design and required razor edge engineering enough
> evidence for you ?

I'll try and answer that for him, should I?

Because it is an example of an "argument from incredulity" which has 
no logical validity. It is a Non Sequitur - i.e. literally it does 
not follow.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_incredulity

Using it without realising this simply exposes you as someone who 
doesn't understand critical thinking.

regards, Ian

Ken wrote:

> 
> I'm sure they'd say somthing like........."This new discovery of past
> (or even present) microbial life on Mars just proves that our
> imaginary sky fairy is controlling every aspect of the entire universe
> in minute detail"
> 
> Xtians sure need to have rather fantastic imaginations, combinded with
> limited intellect to believe all the bullcrap they're fed

It certainly does:

http://godisimaginary.com/i5.htm

regards, Ian

mark  wrote:
> I know it's early days but.....  how would the discovery of any life form on 
> Mars fit with the christian idealogy......?
> Would it seriously impact their notion that there is only life on this 
> planet....?  [..at least, that's how I understand their position to be..]

If we ever were to discover and communicate with a nearby intelligent alien
species there would be huge effects on human society (at least until the
next season of Big Brother.)

One thing we can be sure of, our local god botherers will immediately fund
the construction of a very large radio transmitter which they will use to
beam their bible to the poor unfortunate recipients.  If that doesn't
convert the alien heathens, the mormons will surely pay them a visit :-)

-- 
Isaac Asimov: Properly read, the Bible is the most potent
              force for atheism ever conceived.

On May 30, 10:42 am, Geoff Lane  wrote:
> mark  wrote:
> > I know it's early days but.....  how would the discovery of any life form on
> > Mars fit with the christian idealogy......?
> > Would it seriously impact their notion that there is only life on this
> > planet....?  [..at least, that's how I understand their position to be> If we ever were to discover and communicate with a nearby intelligent alien
> species there would be huge effects on human society (at least until the
> next season of Big Brother.)
>
> One thing we can be sure of, our local god botherers will immediately fund> the construction of a very large radio transmitter which they will use to
> beam their bible to the poor unfortunate recipients.  If that doesn't
> convert the alien heathens, the mormons will surely pay them a visit :-)


LOL@that!
I love it

On May 30, 11:14 am, David Wynne-Griffiths 
wrote:
> The idiot continues the argument from ignorance.  If the parameters had
> been different then we would have evolved differently to suit the
> relevant criteria in the same way that the water in a puddle exactly
> matches the contours of the puddle.
>
> There is nothing particularly attractive about not believing in gods and
> we are atheists simply because there is no credible evidence to support
> the existence of any god and we lack the gullibility and stupidity
> needed to be a believer.
>
> --
> ********
>  David WG
> ********

REPLY:   No no no no David....you have to explain HOW  the 250 razor
precise Parameters DID get here , how they came together
simultaneously, how they interract with each other , and how they
fulfill the explicit purpose of Earth existing so we can live our
lives on it.   And you have to explain it WITHOUT using intelligence
or a Will behind it all ----  so, how did accidents upon accidents
over 'x' billions of years  accomplish it ?   Please give us your best
rational answer based on sound reason since 'you know' there is no
personal intelligent Creator  :) Thanks David.

On May 30, 5:13 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On May 30, 11:14 am, David Wynne-Griffiths 
> wrote:
>
> > The idiot continues the argument from ignorance.  If the parameters had
> > been different then we would have evolved differently to suit the
> > relevant criteria in the same way that the water in a puddle exactly
> > matches the contours of the puddle.
>
> > There is nothing particularly attractive about not believing in gods and> > we are atheists simply because there is no credible evidence to support
> > the existence of any god and we lack the gullibility and stupidity
> > needed to be a believer.
>
> > --
> > ********
> >  David WG
> > ********
>
> DILV'S BULLSHIT REPLY:   No no no no David....you have to explain HOW  the 250 razor
> precise Parameters DID get here , .


YOU ASSHOLE we don't need to explain shit about your imaginary
parameters (where the fuck did you learn the rules for
capitalization?)

The constant repetition of the arguments from incredulity and ignorance
do not advance the case for creationism but merely show us that its
adherents are very stupid.

While there is such a mass of evidence for evolution there is absolutely
no credible evidence to support the belief that the world and all its
flora and fauna was created by a god.  

The only basis for such beliefs is to be found in the cosmological myths
of primitive man such as that in Genesis.   It is sad that some
benighted idiots are unable to advance from the beliefs held by people
in the Stone Age to try to explain the unknown.   

-- 
********
David WG
********

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

> 
> REPLY:   No no no no David....you have to explain
 > ...snip...

Yet more invalid "argument from incredulity" despite being told 
again and again? With this level of reasoning ability, we are not at 
all surprised that you believe in a giant magic sky fairy!

regards, Ian

IlBeBauck@gmail.com  wrote:
> On May 30, 11:14 am, David Wynne-Griffiths 
> wrote:
>> The idiot continues the argument from ignorance.  If the parameters had
>> been different then we would have evolved differently to suit the
>> relevant criteria in the same way that the water in a puddle exactly
>> matches the contours of the puddle.
>>
>> There is nothing particularly attractive about not believing in gods and
>> we are atheists simply because there is no credible evidence to support
>> the existence of any god and we lack the gullibility and stupidity
>> needed to be a believer.
>>
>> --
>> ********
>>  David WG
>> ********
> 
> REPLY:   No no no no David....you have to explain HOW  the 250 razor
> precise Parameters DID get here , how they came together
> simultaneously, how they interract with each other , and how they
> fulfill the explicit purpose of Earth existing so we can live our
> lives on it.   And you have to explain it WITHOUT using intelligence
> or a Will behind it all ----  so, how did accidents upon accidents
> over 'x' billions of years  accomplish it ?   Please give us your best
> rational answer based on sound reason since 'you know' there is no
> personal intelligent Creator  :) Thanks David.

It seems to me that the simple theory of evolution is sufficient to explain
it all.  All the evidence indicates that evolution is the answer.

-- 
Don't believe in God? You are not alone. FreeThoughtAction.org

Geoff Lane wrote:

> 
> It seems to me that the simple theory of evolution is sufficient to explain
> it all.  All the evidence indicates that evolution is the answer.
> 

Evolution from a single common ancestor is an established fact but 
evolution says nothing about abiogenesis or the existence of the 
universe itself.

Dave is trying to explain that he worships a "god of the gaps" where 
a supernatural explanation is used to explain anything that science 
can't. Of course, this  failed hypothesis is based on no evidence 
whatsoever.

regards, Ian