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date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT),    group: uk.philosophy.atheism        back       
Science Disproves Evolution   
The Law of Biogenesis

Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter)
has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes
only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called
the law of biogenesis. The theory of evolution conflicts with this
scientific law when claiming that life came from nonliving matter
through natural processes (a).

Evolutionary scientists reluctantly accept the law of biogenesis (b).
However, some say that future studies may show how life could come
from lifeless matter, despite the virtually impossible odds. Others
say that their theory of evolution doesn’t begin until the first life
somehow arose. Still others say the first life was created, then
evolution occurred. All evolutionists recognize that, based on
scientific observations, life comes only from life.

a.	And yet, leading evolutionists are forced to accept some form of
spontaneous generation. For example, a former Harvard University
professor and Nobel Prize winner in physiology and medicine
acknowledged the dilemma.

“The reasonable view [during the two centuries before Louis Pasteur]
was to believe in spontaneous generation; the only alternative, to
believe in a single, primary act of supernatural creation. There is no
third position.” George Wald, “The Origin of Life,” Scientific
American, Vol. 190, August 1954, p. 46.

Wald rejects creation, despite the impossible odds of spontaneous
generation.

“One has only to contemplate the magnitude of this task to concede
that the spontaneous generation of a living organism is impossible.
Yet here we are—as a result, I believe, of spontaneous generation.”
Ibid.

Later, Wald appeals to huge amounts of time to accomplish what seemed
to be the impossibility of spontaneous generation.

“Time is in fact the hero of the plot. ... Given so much time, the
‘impossible’ becomes possible, the possible probable, and the probable
virtually certain. One has only to wait: time itself performs the
miracles.”  Ibid., p. 48.

What Wald did not appreciate in 1954 (before, as just one example, the
genetic code was discovered) was how the complexity in life is vastly
greater than anyone at that time could have imagined. So, today, the
impossibility of spontaneous generation is even more firmly
established, regardless of the time available. But unfortunately,
several generations of professors and textbooks with Wald’s
perspective have so impacted our universities that it is difficult for
evolutionists to change direction.

Evolutionists also do not recognize:

 that with increasing time (their “miracle maker”) comes increasing
degradation of the fragile environment on which life depends, and

 that creationists have much better explanations (such as the flood)
for the scientific observations that evolutionists thought showed
increasing time.

Readers will later see this.

b.	“The beginning of the evolutionary process raises a question which
is as yet unanswerable. What was the origin of life on this planet?
Until fairly recent times there was a pretty general belief in the
occurrence of ‘spontaneous generation.’ It was supposed that lowly
forms of life developed spontaneously from, for example, putrefying
meat. But careful experiments, notably those of Pasteur, showed that
this conclusion was due to imperfect observation, and it became an
accepted doctrine [the law of biogenesis] that life never arises
except from life. So far as actual evidence goes, this is still the
only possible conclusion. But since it is a conclusion that seems to
lead back to some supernatural creative act, it is a conclusion that
scientific men find very difficult of acceptance. It carries with it
what are felt to be, in the present mental climate, undesirable
philosophic implications, and it is opposed to the scientific desire
for continuity. It introduces an unaccountable break in the chain of
causation, and therefore cannot be admitted as part of science unless
it is quite impossible to reject it. For that reason most scientific
men prefer to believe that life arose, in some way not yet understood,
from inorganic matter in accordance with the laws of physics and
chemistry.”  J. W. N. Sullivan, The Limitations of Science (New York:
The Viking Press, Inc., 1933), p. 94.

Organic Evolution Has Never Been Observed and is invalid.

http://www.creationscience.com/onlinebook/ReferencesandNotes2.html#wp1903241
date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:48:01 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Science Disproves Evolution   
X-No-Archive: yes

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news:55c1a52b-ee7d-4c3c-9590-6e6f5ccf9181@r66g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
The Law of Biogenesis

Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter)
has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes
only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called
the law of biogenesis. The theory of evolution conflicts with this
scientific law when claiming that life came from nonliving matter
through natural processes (a).

****snip***

Ok.
let's have your ideas as to how this happened then.
Paying particular attention to *how*.....
That is, for example,  the genesis creation account?
Or, did god create it in the first place.....then the big bang occurred, 
followed by evolution..?
Or, there was no 'big bang'  ... just a universe created by god followed by 
(hu)man made from dust   ?
How did the creation of a (hu)man, if you believe this, take place...?  a 
fully grown adult?  a child?   how did they arrive on earth?     from 
where...?
How do you understand that your god has the power to create life...?
Where, in your assessment, does the knowledge of all this come from.....the 
bible?
Let's have some indication as to how this amazing feat of creation is any 
less amazing than biogenesis and evolution......

Do tell.....



Mark
date: Fri, 23 May 2008 17:19:05 +0100   author:   mark

Re: Creationism is BULLCRAP expoused only by fundy nutsacks   
The only time creation and science should EVER be used in the
same sentence is when the words "is not" has been inserted between
them
date: Fri, 23 May 2008 09:39:23 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Ken

Re: Science Disproves Evolution   
Pahu78@gmail.com wrote:
> The Law of Biogenesis
...snip...
> “The reasonable view [during the two centuries before Louis Pasteur]
> was to believe in spontaneous generation; the only alternative, to
> believe in a single, primary act of supernatural creation. There is no
> third position.” George Wald, “The Origin of Life,” Scientific
> American, Vol. 190, August 1954, p. 46.

So, here we have the quote mining back again, taking parts out of 
context. Sad they have to go back to 1954 to find their quotes!

Read more of George Wald's piece here:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part1-4.html#quote57

Pahu78 doesn't seem to appreciate that evolution (which is regarded 
as so well supported by overwhelming evidence that it can be taken 
as fact) reduces the requirement on the initial abiogenesis event 
back to only the simplest of all self replicating entities - not, as 
Pahu78 implies, in any way subject the the complexities of the 
genetic code we now see, which is a result of the evolutionary 
process since.

regards, Ian
date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:23:28 +0100   author:   Ian Smith

Re: Creationism is BULLCRAP expoused only by fundy nutsacks   
On May 23, 11:39 am, Ken  wrote:
> The only time creation and science should EVER be used in the
> same sentence is when the words "is not" has been inserted between
> them

REPLY:  Its impossible for there NOT to be a personal Designer/Creator
for our personal Universe and all thats in it.  Listening to atheist
codiscoverer of DNA structure, Dr. Francis Crick, who calculates
10^40,000  FOR  intelligence should be listened to !   Hes a commrade
atheist...so you should agree with  him  .
date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:04:32 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Creationism is BULLCRAP expoused only by fundy nutsacks   
IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 23, 11:39 am, Ken  wrote:
>> The only time creation and science should EVER be used in the
>> same sentence is when the words "is not" has been inserted between
>> them
> 
> REPLY:  Its impossible for there NOT to be a personal Designer/Creator
> for our personal Universe and all thats in it.

Again, more argument from ignorance - which we have pointed out 
simply doesn't follow. An argument that says "I don't know, you 
don't know, no-one knows - therefore god exists" is faulty reasoning.

> Listening to atheist
> codiscoverer of DNA structure, Dr. Francis Crick, who calculates
> 10^40,000  FOR  intelligence should be listened to !   Hes a commrade
> atheist...so you should agree with  him  .

Can you give us a reference for this quote, please? I do mean an 
original reference, not a reference to a creationist site which 
claims he said it, without itself giving a reference.

regards, Ian
date: Sun, 01 Jun 2008 08:10:28 +0100   author:   Ian Smith

Re: Creationism is BULLCRAP expoused only by fundy nutsacks   
On May 31, 6:04 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:

The usual DILV BULLSHIT.......not even worth reading

MORE unfounded statements based on flawed logic, spouting off MORE
personal opinions expecting other to accept them with any proof or
evidence, posting faked, altered, doctored and mined quotes, posting
links
to fundy/creationiast sites written by equally deluded religious
wackos, and you call that DEBATE?

You're an asshole
You're always been an asshole
You always be an asshiole
date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 08:55:30 -0700 (PDT)   author:   Ken

Re: Creationism is BULLCRAP expoused only by fundy nutsacks   
IlBeBauck@gmail.com  wrote:

> On May 23, 11:39 am, Ken  wrote:
> > The only time creation and science should EVER be used in the
> > same sentence is when the words "is not" has been inserted between
> > them
> 
> REPLY:  Its impossible for there NOT to be a personal Designer/Creator
> for our personal Universe and all thats in it.  Listening to atheist
> codiscoverer of DNA structure, Dr. Francis Crick, who calculates
> 10^40,000  FOR  intelligence should be listened to !   Hes a commrade
> atheist...so you should agree with  him  .

Yah yah.... cut the chatter and produce my plonk, feller.

I'm still waiting for that bottle of wine you owe me.

-- 
Jon
date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 19:00:20 +0930   author:   (Jon Skinner)

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