There's quite a fight going on over here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis

I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able to 
knock heads together in this kind of row!

Anyone wanna join in...?

W.

Winsome wrote:

 > There's quite a fight going on over here...
 >
 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
 >
 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
 >
 > I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be
 > able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
 >
 > Anyone wanna join in...?

Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.

It's a huge waste of  time. Wikipedia is written by the passionate
with the  most spare time. To think  it means more than  USENET is
insane.

At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.

Cheers,

b&

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On May 18, 1:42 pm, "Winsome"  wrote:
> There's quite a fight going on over here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>
> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able to
> knock heads together in this kind of row!
>
> Anyone wanna join in...?
>
> W.

Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change

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"Winsome"  wrote in message 
news:qw0Yj.22111$iD4.11284@newsfe09.ams2...
> There's quite a fight going on over here...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>
> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able to 
> knock heads together in this kind of row!
>
> Anyone wanna join in...?


Apart from the historical basis (..or not)   it seems to me that much 
argument is about the semantics of language.
It does show, however, the need to be careful with wikipedia info...



Mark

On May 18, 4:03 pm, Ben Goren  wrote:
> Winsome wrote:
>
>  > There's quite a fight going on over here...
>  >
>  >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>  >
>  >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>  >
>  > I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be
>  > able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
>  >
>  > Anyone wanna join in...?
>
> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
>
> It's a huge waste of  time. Wikipedia is written by the passionate
> with the  most spare time. To think  it means more than  USENET is
> insane.
>
> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
>
> Cheers,
>
> b&
>
> --
> EAC Memographer
> BAAWA Knight of Blasphemy
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REPLY:  'Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.'     Yes...but, is it
a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt'  ?!

wrote in message news:9765b48b-0534-

REPLY: <smack>  Shut the fuck up!

W.

On May 18, 6:22 pm, "Winsome"  wrote:
>  wrote in message news:9765b48b-0534-
>
> REPLY: <smack>  Shut the fuck up!
>
> W.

REPLY:  Didnt you have a Dad growing up ?  Someone who taught you
right from wrong and why you needed to head what was right in
behaviour, actions, and language ?   What happened to you along the
way please ???

On May 18, 5:17 pm, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> On May 18, 6:22 pm, "Winsome"  wrote:
>
> >  wrote in message news:9765b48b-0534-
>
> > REPLY: <smack>  Shut the fuck up!
>
> > W.
>
> REPLY:  Didnt you have a Dad growing up ?  Someone who taught you
> right from wrong and why you needed to head what was right in
> behaviour, actions, and language ?   What happened to you along the
> way please ???

Go fuck yourself

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:

 > Ben Goren wrote:
 >> Winsome wrote:
 >>
 >>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
 >>>
 >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
 >>>
 >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
 >>>
 >>> I reckon there are more  than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd
 >>> be able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
 >>>
 >>> Anyone wanna join in...?
 >>
 >> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
 >>
 >> It's  a  huge  waste  of  time. Wikipedia  is  written  by  the
 >> passionate with  the most  spare time. To  think it  means more
 >> than USENET is insane.
 >>
 >> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
 >
 > REPLY:  'Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.'  Yes...but, is
 > it a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt' ?!

Actually, it's a  ``Dave in Las Vegas can't post  on topic to save
his life'' t-shirt.

Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises
of a third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have
walked  the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal
appearance in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple
millennia ago?

Cheers,

b&

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"Ken"  wrote in message news:157ea7af-ed70-4585-9401-bc9be3d63a66@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On May 18, 1:42 pm, "Winsome"  wrote:
> There's quite a fight going on over 
> here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>
> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able to
> knock heads together in this kind of row!
>
> Anyone wanna join in...?
>
> W.

Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
-------------------------

You've just described atheists too, my friend.

"Ben Goren"  wrote in message news:1211165165_2646@isp.n...
> IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Ben Goren wrote:
> >> Winsome wrote:
> >>
> >>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
> >>>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> >>>
> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> >>>
> >>> I reckon there are more  than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd
> >>> be able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
> >>>
> >>> Anyone wanna join in...?
> >>
> >> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
> >>
> >> It's  a  huge  waste  of  time. Wikipedia  is  written  by  the
> >> passionate with  the most  spare time. To  think it  means more
> >> than USENET is insane.
> >>
> >> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
> >
> > REPLY:  'Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.'  Yes...but, is
> > it a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt' ?!
>
> Actually, it's a  ``Dave in Las Vegas can't post  on topic to save
> his life'' t-shirt.
>
> Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises
> of a third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have
> walked  the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal
> appearance in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple
> millennia ago?

Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".

"zasochimti"  a écrit dans le message de news: 
g0r0di$hkg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Ken"  wrote in message 
> news:157ea7af-ed70-4585-9401-bc9be3d63a66@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 18, 1:42 pm, "Winsome"  wrote:
>> There's quite a fight going on over 
>> here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>>
>> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able to
>> knock heads together in this kind of row!
>>
>> Anyone wanna join in...?
>>
>> W.
>
> Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
> foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
> gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
> -------------------------
>
> You've just described atheists too, my friend.

If you're going to use a tu quoque fallacy, at least try to make it 
credible. You've just demonstrated the at least partial accuracy of Ken's 
comment in one short sentence.

pga

On May 18, 9:41 pm, "zasochimti"  wrote:

>
> Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
> foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
> gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
> -------------------------
>
> You've just described atheists too, my friend.

Over 80% of high school dropouts believe in your imaginary sky fairy,
while less that 10% of Nobel Laureates do.
That kinda blows your statement all to crap, doesn't it FOOL?

zasochimti wrote:

 > Ben Goren wrote:
 >> IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
 >>> Ben Goren wrote:
 >>>> Winsome wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
 >>>>>
 >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
 >>>>>
 >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
 >>>>>
 >>>>> I  reckon there  are more  than a  few alt.atheism  regulars
 >>>>> who'd be able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
 >>>>>
 >>>>> Anyone wanna join in...?
 >>>>
 >>>> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
 >>>>
 >>>> It's  a  huge waste  of  time. Wikipedia  is written  by  the
 >>>> passionate with the  most spare time. To think  it means more
 >>>> than USENET is insane.
 >>>>
 >>>> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
 >>>
 >>> REPLY:  'Been there. Done  that. Got the t-shirt.'  Yes...but,
 >>> is it a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt' ?!
 >>
 >> Actually, it's  a ``Dave in  Las Vegas  can't post on  topic to
 >> save his life'' t-shirt.
 >>
 >> Speaking  of which,  why do  you  waste your  life singing  the
 >> praises  of a  third-rate  god who's  conclusively been  proven
 >> never to  have walked the face  of the Earth, let  alone put in
 >> a  personal  appearance  in  a certain  minor  outlaying  Roman
 >> possession a couple millennia ago?
 >
 > Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".

I see you can't stay on topic, either. Or perhaps /you're/ the one
sitting on  the hidden  impossible historical evidence  of Jesus's
existence?

No?

Didn't think so.

Cheers,

b&

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"Ben Goren"  wrote in message news:1211212967_2672@isp.n...
> zasochimti wrote:
>
> > Ben Goren wrote:
> >> IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> Ben Goren wrote:
> >>>> Winsome wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I  reckon there  are more  than a  few alt.atheism  regulars
> >>>>> who'd be able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyone wanna join in...?
> >>>>
> >>>> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's  a  huge waste  of  time. Wikipedia  is written  by  the
> >>>> passionate with the  most spare time. To think  it means more
> >>>> than USENET is insane.
> >>>>
> >>>> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
> >>>
> >>> REPLY:  'Been there. Done  that. Got the t-shirt.'  Yes...but,
> >>> is it a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt' ?!
> >>
> >> Actually, it's  a ``Dave in  Las Vegas  can't post on  topic to
> >> save his life'' t-shirt.
> >>
> >> Speaking  of which,  why do  you  waste your  life singing  the
> >> praises  of a  third-rate  god who's  conclusively been  proven
> >> never to  have walked the face  of the Earth, let  alone put in
> >> a  personal  appearance  in  a certain  minor  outlaying  Roman
> >> possession a couple millennia ago?
> >
> > Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".
>
> I see you can't stay on topic, either. Or perhaps /you're/ the one
> sitting on  the hidden  impossible historical evidence  of Jesus's
> existence?
>
> No?
>
> Didn't think so.

Whoa, whoa, whoa... hold your horses, atheist.

Chill.

Take a deep breath.

Relax.

Where does your hatred come from, atheist? Why do you feel the need to hate, son?

Relax.

Jesus loves you. He always has. And always will.

F*ck it, atheist. He knew His shit. And you can't do anything about it, atheist.

So, just chill. Relax. Take a deep breath.

And focus your hatred towards, let's say, corporations. Rich people. And such.

"PG"  wrote in message news:48310c0d$0$876$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>
> "zasochimti"  a écrit dans le message de news: g0r0di$hkg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>
>> "Ken"  wrote in message news:157ea7af-ed70-4585-9401-bc9be3d63a66@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 18, 1:42 pm, "Winsome"  wrote:
>>> There's quite a fight going on over 
>>> here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>>>
>>> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able to
>>> knock heads together in this kind of row!
>>>
>>> Anyone wanna join in...?
>>>
>>> W.
>>
>> Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
>> foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
>> gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
>> -------------------------
>>
>> You've just described atheists too, my friend.
>
> If you're going to use a tu quoque fallacy, at least try to make it credible. You've just demonstrated the at least 
> partial accuracy of Ken's comment in one short sentence.

Sorry, boy. You feel attacked so you're talking bullshit. Defensive you is, atheist.
No need for that. Ok?

I say that all christians are as stupid as atheists and vice versa.

You can change stupid into evil if you wish, son.

"Ken"  wrote in message news:f81b5aa4-729a-4a7c-83c6-a853f8b14b8e@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
On May 18, 9:41 pm, "zasochimti"  wrote:

>
> Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
> foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
> gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
> -------------------------
>
> You've just described atheists too, my friend.

Over 80% of high school dropouts believe in your imaginary sky fairy,
while less that 10% of Nobel Laureates do.
That kinda blows your statement all to crap, doesn't it FOOL?
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Sorry, kiddo. Nobel prize means jack shit to me.

Since Henry "The Buthcher And A Liar" Kissinger won one, I don't give a flying
f*ck about "Nobel prize". Especially "Nobel Peace Prize". Oh, and I don't care
about the establishment. Rich and influential people. Not in a world like this one.

Sorry.

Anyway, a cheap shot from you, atheist, but nevertheless entertaining.

And as shallow as when a christian starts to quote the Bible.

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"zasochimti"  wrote in message 
news:g0sc0q$34c$3@registered.motzarella.org...

> "Ken"  wrote in message 
> news:f81b5aa4-729a-4a7c-83c6-a853f8b14b8e@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 18, 9:41 pm, "zasochimti"  wrote:
>
>>
>> Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
>> foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
>> gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
>> -------------------------


>> You've just described atheists too, my friend.

erm.......
atheists ..brainwashed?       by what and who?
atheists..dupable.?              by what?
atheists..close minded ?      against religion?
atheists ..anti-science?        you are joking?
atheists ..non-logical?        as in the opposite of irrational?


I think you'll find some big differences between the two actually....


> Over 80% of high school dropouts believe in your imaginary sky fairy,
> while less that 10% of Nobel Laureates do.
> That kinda blows your statement all to crap, doesn't it FOOL?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sorry, kiddo. Nobel prize means jack shit to me.

It *might* mean something to others.....


> Since Henry "The Buthcher And A Liar" Kissinger won one, I don't give a 
> flying
> f*ck about "Nobel prize". Especially "Nobel Peace Prize". Oh, and I don't 
> care
> about the establishment. Rich and influential people. Not in a world like 
> this one.

> And as shallow as when a christian starts to quote the Bible.


.....so just why do you believe in god..??


Mark

"mark"  wrote in message news:ub2dnT3BQtNTJ6zVRVnyiAA@bt.com...
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>
> "zasochimti"  wrote in message news:g0sc0q$34c$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>> "Ken"  wrote in message news:f81b5aa4-729a-4a7c-83c6-a853f8b14b8e@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 18, 9:41 pm, "zasochimti"  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
>>> foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
>>> gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
>>> -------------------------
>
>
>>> You've just described atheists too, my friend.
>
> erm.......
> atheists ..brainwashed?       by what and who?
> atheists..dupable.?              by what?
> atheists..close minded ?      against religion?
> atheists ..anti-science?        you are joking?
> atheists ..non-logical?        as in the opposite of irrational?
>
>
> I think you'll find some big differences between the two actually....

Big and small, atheist. Big and small.

Funny how both of you just talk about them big ones.

I mean, xtians and atheists that is.


>> Over 80% of high school dropouts believe in your imaginary sky fairy,
>> while less that 10% of Nobel Laureates do.
>> That kinda blows your statement all to crap, doesn't it FOOL?
>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Sorry, kiddo. Nobel prize means jack shit to me.
>
> It *might* mean something to others.....

Who gives a shit? I don't give a shit about people who give a shit about a prize that landed into
Henry "Don't open my files until 5 winters have passed since my death" Kissinger's hands, "dude".

Do you understand?

Is that too hard for you to understand, atheist?

>> Since Henry "The Buthcher And A Liar" Kissinger won one, I don't give a flying
>> f*ck about "Nobel prize". Especially "Nobel Peace Prize". Oh, and I don't care
>> about the establishment. Rich and influential people. Not in a world like this one.
>
>> And as shallow as when a christian starts to quote the Bible.
>
>
> .....so just why do you believe in god..??

Because you atheists are so pissed when someone mentions God.

Duh, "brainiac".

On May 19, 10:01 am, "zasochimti"  wrote:

>
> Over 80% of high school dropouts believe in your imaginary sky fairy,
> while less that 10% of Nobel Laureates do.
> That kinda blows your statement all to crap, doesn't it FOOL?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sorry, kiddo. Nobel prize means jack shit to me.


So proven superior intelligence doesn't mean shit to you?
That doesn't surprise me in the least

wrote

> Someone who taught you
>right from wrong and why you needed to head what was right in
>behaviour, actions, and language ?

" ... needed to head what is right" ????

Obviously you failed on the language! Maybe that's why you struggle so much 
to understand.

Steve M

"Ken"  wrote in message news:d0e3063f-b57e-43b2-bda6-9244f46814d8@s50g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On May 19, 10:01 am, "zasochimti"  wrote:

>
> Over 80% of high school dropouts believe in your imaginary sky fairy,
> while less that 10% of Nobel Laureates do.
> That kinda blows your statement all to crap, doesn't it FOOL?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sorry, kiddo. Nobel prize means jack shit to me.


So proven superior intelligence doesn't mean shit to you?
That doesn't surprise me in the least
-----------------------------------------------------------

Well, kiddo. If you read the rest of my post... you wouldn't be choking on your own shite now.

[snips]

On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:41:48 +0200, zasochimti wrote:

>> Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises of a
>> third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have walked 
>> the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal appearance
>> in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple millennia ago?
> 
> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".

Sorry, was there some part of the atheist creed (you know, the one which 
doesn't exist) that requires of us such things as loving our enemies, 
turning the other cheek and other such things?

No?

Right.  Bite me.

[snips]

On Mon, 19 May 2008 18:55:48 +0200, zasochimti wrote:

> Where does your hatred come from, atheist? Why do you feel the need to
> hate, son?

2,000 years of institutionalized discrimination, torture, killing, 
segregation, degradation and flat-out evil, all from people claiming to 
follow a "loving" and "good" deity, while doing every single thing they 
can to ensure society never develops past the dark ages?  Just maybe?

> Relax.
> 
> Jesus loves you. He always has. And always will.

People who first, never seem to have actually existed and second, if they 
did, are long dead, aren't particularly capable of loving much of 
anything... but then, we expect this sort of nonsense from theists.

> And focus your hatred towards, let's say, corporations. Rich people. And
> such.

Why?  They're just in business to make money, and some of 'em even do 
significant good.  Christianity, as an organization, is dedicated to 
entirely different propositions.

On May 19, 12:41 am, "zasochimti"  wrote:
> "Ben Goren"  wrote in messagenews:1211165165_2646@isp.n...
> > IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Ben Goren wrote:
> > >> Winsome wrote:
>
> > >>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
>
> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>
> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>
> > >>> I reckon there are more  than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd
> > >>> be able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
>
> > >>> Anyone wanna join in...?
>
> > >> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
>
> > >> It's  a  huge  waste  of  time. Wikipedia  is  written  by  the
> > >> passionate with  the most  spare time. To  think it  means more
> > >> than USENET is insane.
>
> > >> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
>
> > > REPLY:  'Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.'  Yes...but, is
> > > it a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt' ?!
>
> > Actually, it's a  ``Dave in Las Vegas can't post  on topic to save
> > his life'' t-shirt.
>
> > Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises
> > of a third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have
> > walked  the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal
> > appearance in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple
> > millennia ago?
>
> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".

One does not need to love and understand a cockroach. One merely
squashes it.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015/KoBAAWA!

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> "mark"  wrote in message 
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>> "zasochimti"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>> "Ken"  wrote in message 
>>> news:f81b5aa4-729a-4a7c-83c6-a853f8b14b8e@c58g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>> On May 18, 9:41 pm, "zasochimti"  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
>>>> foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
>>>> gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
>>>> -------------------------
>>
>>
>>>> You've just described atheists too, my friend.
>>
>> erm.......
>> atheists ..brainwashed?       by what and who?
>> atheists..dupable.?              by what?
>> atheists..close minded ?      against religion?
>> atheists ..anti-science?        you are joking?
>> atheists ..non-logical?        as in the opposite of irrational?
>>
>>
>> I think you'll find some big differences between the two actually....
>
> Big and small, atheist. Big and small.

Big and small what....?
rewind eh...
you said the description made described both atheists and christians...
When the obvious differences are suggested to you,  you make some almost 
unintelligible reply.......
Is it god speak or something...?



> Funny how both of you just talk about them big ones.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about...



>>> Sorry, kiddo. Nobel prize means jack shit to me.
>>
>> It *might* mean something to others.....
>
> Who gives a shit? I don't give a shit about people who give a shit about a 
> prize that landed into
> Henry "Don't open my files until 5 winters have passed since my death" 
> Kissinger's hands, "dude".
>
> Do you understand?
>
> Is that too hard for you to understand, atheist?


I understand that *you* don't give a shit.... but that's not what others 
*might*think.  I won't ask if you understand that because clearly.... you 
don't!
Why is your opinion worth anything...?
certainly, so far, your intellectual capabilities suggest you have little to 
contribute to serious discussion.


>>> Since Henry "The Buthcher And A Liar" Kissinger won one, I don't give a 
>>> flying
>>> f*ck about "Nobel prize". Especially "Nobel Peace Prize". Oh, and I 
>>> don't care
>>> about the establishment. Rich and influential people. Not in a world 
>>> like this one.
>>
>>> And as shallow as when a christian starts to quote the Bible.
>>
>>
>> .....so just why do you believe in god..??
>
> Because you atheists are so pissed when someone mentions God.

Ok.   That's about enough for me.....
mindless irrelevance, completely incomrehensible replies and nonsensical 
statement.


> Duh, "brainiac".


oh dear...




Mark

zasochimti wrote:

 > Ben Goren wrote:
 >> zasochimti wrote:
 >>> Ben Goren wrote:
 >>>> IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
 >>>>> Ben Goren wrote:
 >>>>>> Winsome wrote:
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> I reckon  there are more  than a few  alt.atheism regulars
 >>>>>>> who'd be able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
 >>>>>>>
 >>>>>>> Anyone wanna join in...?
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> It's  a huge  waste of  time. Wikipedia is  written by  the
 >>>>>> passionate with the most spare time. To think it means more
 >>>>>> than USENET is insane.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
 >>>>>
 >>>>> REPLY:    'Been   there. Done    that. Got   the   t-shirt.'
 >>>>> Yes...but, is it a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt' ?!
 >>>>
 >>>> Actually, it's a  ``Dave in Las Vegas can't post  on topic to
 >>>> save his life'' t-shirt.
 >>>>
 >>>> Speaking of  which, why  do you waste  your life  singing the
 >>>> praises of  a third-rate  god who's conclusively  been proven
 >>>> never to have walked the face  of the Earth, let alone put in
 >>>> a  personal appearance  in  a certain  minor outlaying  Roman
 >>>> possession a couple millennia ago?
 >>>
 >>> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".
 >>
 >> I see you can't stay  on topic, either. Or perhaps /you're/ the
 >> one  sitting on  the hidden  impossible historical  evidence of
 >> Jesus's existence?
 >>
 >> No?
 >>
 >> Didn't think so.
 >
 > Whoa, whoa, whoa... hold your horses, atheist.
 >
 > Chill.
 >
 > Take a deep breath.
 >
 > Relax.
 >
 > Where does your  hatred come from, atheist? Why do  you feel the
 > need to hate, son?
 >
 > Relax.
 >
 > Jesus loves you. He always has. And always will.
 >
 > F*ck it,  atheist. He knew His  shit. And you can't  do anything
 > about it, atheist.
 >
 > So, just chill. Relax. Take a deep breath.
 >
 > And  focus your  hatred towards,  let's say,  corporations. Rich
 > people. And such.

Hot damn,  are you ever  so terrified  of discussing the  topic of
this thread --  namely, the fact that Jesus  never existed outside
of  religious mythology. In  fact, I'm  quite curious  to see  how
you'll attempt to change the subject.

Again.

Cheers,

b&

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On May 19, 1:57 pm, "Steve Marshall" 
wrote:
>  wrote
>
> > Someone who taught you
> >right from wrong and why you needed to head what was right in
> >behaviour, actions, and language ?
>
> " ... needed to head what is right" ????
>
> Obviously you failed on the language! Maybe that's why you struggle so much
> to understand.
>
> Steve M

Dave has a problem with thinking while typing.
Actually he has a problem with just thinking....

zasochimti wrote:


> Chill.
> Relax.
> Relax.
> So, just chill. Relax. 


Go fuck yourself.



-- 
Come down off the cross
We can use the wood

Tom Waits, Come On Up To The House

"zasochimti"  a écrit dans le message de news: 
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>
> "PG"  wrote in message 
> news:48310c0d$0$876$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
>>
>> "zasochimti"  a écrit dans le message de news: 
>> g0r0di$hkg$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "Ken"  wrote in message 
>>> news:157ea7af-ed70-4585-9401-bc9be3d63a66@z72g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>> On May 18, 1:42 pm, "Winsome"  wrote:
>>>> There's quite a fight going on over 
>>>> here...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>>>>
>>>> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able 
>>>> to
>>>> knock heads together in this kind of row!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone wanna join in...?
>>>>
>>>> W.
>>>
>>> Xtian fundies are a lost cause, a waste of time, brainwashed, dupable,
>>> foolish, deaf, closed minded, anti-science, non-logical, completely
>>> gullible, just plain stupid, and they'll never change
>>> -------------------------
>>>
>>> You've just described atheists too, my friend.
>>
>> If you're going to use a tu quoque fallacy, at least try to make it 
>> credible. You've just demonstrated the at least partial accuracy of Ken's 
>> comment in one short sentence.
>
> Sorry, boy. You feel attacked so you're talking bullshit. Defensive you 
> is, atheist.
> No need for that. Ok?
>
> I say that all christians are as stupid as atheists and vice versa.
>
> You can change stupid into evil if you wish, son.

Ah, a new troll. Bit obvious, aren't you? At least try to make some sense, 
we need some more sport, but it would help if you could string a sentence 
together.

"Ben Goren"  wrote in message news:1211236570_2696@isp.n...
> zasochimti wrote:
>
> > Ben Goren wrote:
> >> zasochimti wrote:
> >>> Ben Goren wrote:
> >>>> IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> Ben Goren wrote:
> >>>>>> Winsome wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I reckon  there are more  than a few  alt.atheism regulars
> >>>>>>> who'd be able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Anyone wanna join in...?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's  a huge  waste of  time. Wikipedia is  written by  the
> >>>>>> passionate with the most spare time. To think it means more
> >>>>>> than USENET is insane.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> REPLY:    'Been   there. Done    that. Got   the   t-shirt.'
> >>>>> Yes...but, is it a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt' ?!
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually, it's a  ``Dave in Las Vegas can't post  on topic to
> >>>> save his life'' t-shirt.
> >>>>
> >>>> Speaking of  which, why  do you waste  your life  singing the
> >>>> praises of  a third-rate  god who's conclusively  been proven
> >>>> never to have walked the face  of the Earth, let alone put in
> >>>> a  personal appearance  in  a certain  minor outlaying  Roman
> >>>> possession a couple millennia ago?
> >>>
> >>> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".
> >>
> >> I see you can't stay  on topic, either. Or perhaps /you're/ the
> >> one  sitting on  the hidden  impossible historical  evidence of
> >> Jesus's existence?
> >>
> >> No?
> >>
> >> Didn't think so.
> >
> > Whoa, whoa, whoa... hold your horses, atheist.
> >
> > Chill.
> >
> > Take a deep breath.
> >
> > Relax.
> >
> > Where does your  hatred come from, atheist? Why do  you feel the
> > need to hate, son?
> >
> > Relax.
> >
> > Jesus loves you. He always has. And always will.
> >
> > F*ck it,  atheist. He knew His  shit. And you can't  do anything
> > about it, atheist.
> >
> > So, just chill. Relax. Take a deep breath.
> >
> > And  focus your  hatred towards,  let's say,  corporations. Rich
> > people. And such.
>
> Hot damn,  are you ever  so terrified  of discussing the  topic of
> this thread --  namely, the fact that Jesus  never existed outside
> of  religious mythology. In  fact, I'm  quite curious  to see  how
> you'll attempt to change the subject.
>
> Again.

Haha. Poor atheist. As dumb as xtians. Stubborn and evil too.

Ok. You want evidence of Jeebus' existence?

Look into the mirror, son.

Voila.

You're welcome.

"Kelsey Bjarnason"  wrote in message news:3479g5-5n.ln1@spankywork.localhost.net...
> [snips]
>
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:41:48 +0200, zasochimti wrote:
>
>>> Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises of a
>>> third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have walked
>>> the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal appearance
>>> in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple millennia ago?
>>
>> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".
>
> Sorry, was there some part of the atheist creed (you know, the one which
> doesn't exist) that requires of us such things as loving our enemies,
> turning the other cheek and other such things?
>
> No?
>
> Right.  Bite me.

Ok, but what gives you right then to judge christians about love, compassion and
turning the other cheek, if you yourself don't give a f*ck about those "things"?

Huh?

As I said before : atheists = xtians. As stupid as they are. Evil too.

wrote in message news:5e1faf22-279c-4e1a-b83d-c3274622f959@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On May 19, 12:41 am, "zasochimti"  wrote:
> "Ben Goren"  wrote in messagenews:1211165165_2646@isp.n...
> > IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Ben Goren wrote:
> > >> Winsome wrote:
>
> > >>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
>
> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>
> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>
> > >>> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd
> > >>> be able to knock heads together in this kind of row!
>
> > >>> Anyone wanna join in...?
>
> > >> Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.
>
> > >> It's a huge waste of time. Wikipedia is written by the
> > >> passionate with the most spare time. To think it means more
> > >> than USENET is insane.
>
> > >> At least USENET doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
>
> > > REPLY: 'Been there. Done that. Got the t-shirt.' Yes...but, is
> > > it a 'Whats All This Then T-shirt' ?!
>
> > Actually, it's a ``Dave in Las Vegas can't post on topic to save
> > his life'' t-shirt.
>
> > Speaking of which, why do you waste your life singing the praises
> > of a third-rate god who's conclusively been proven never to have
> > walked the face of the Earth, let alone put in a personal
> > appearance in a certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple
> > millennia ago?
>
> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".

One does not need to love and understand a cockroach. One merely
squashes it.
--------------------------------

And again : the "atheist love and understanding" at it's "best".

Look, kiddo. I know it's easier for you to "squash the cockroach" then to
"understand" him. Let alone "love" him. I know that's an impossible task for
an atheist.

But, you'll just have to try.

zasochimti wrote:
> "Kelsey Bjarnason"  wrote in message news:3479g5-5n.ln1@spankywork.localhost.net...
>> [snips]
>>
>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:41:48 +0200, zasochimti wrote:
>>
>>>> Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises of a
>>>> third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have walked
>>>> the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal appearance
>>>> in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple millennia ago?
>>> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".
>> Sorry, was there some part of the atheist creed (you know, the one which
>> doesn't exist) that requires of us such things as loving our enemies,
>> turning the other cheek and other such things?
>>
>> No?
>>
>> Right.  Bite me.
> 
> Ok, but what gives you right then to judge christians about love, compassion and
> turning the other cheek, if you yourself don't give a f*ck about those "things"?
> 
> Huh?

Did Kelsey say that he didn't give a "f*ck" about those things?

> 
> As I said before : atheists = xtians. As stupid as they are. Evil too. 
> 
> 

Christians believe in God.  Atheists do not.  Atheists != Christians

Idiot.

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Winsome wrote:
> There's quite a fight going on over here...
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
> 
> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able to 
> knock heads together in this kind of row!
> 
> Anyone wanna join in...?

I'm not sure that its a discussion worth having, unless you can 
agree on what constitutes 'existed' in this case.

- did someone called Jesus exist: almost certainly, it was a common name
- did Jesus (Christ) exist: (Chrestus, teacher) very likely, it was 
a common name
- did a Jesus exist who had a small cult following: quite possibly
- did Jesus, as described in the bible, virgin birth, walking on 
water, curing the sick, turning water into wine, died and came back 
as a zombie, exist: as these would all be remarkable events and 
there appears to no independent record of it then we can assume that 
this is simply mythology

It is easy to see how myths can build up, particularly in a culture 
with very low literacy levels and where story telling is the 
tradition for passing of morality tales.

So, that *a* Jesus existed isn't contentious and *the* miracle 
working, son of god Jesus isn't taken seriously by many people these 
days (it appears to have been abandoned by most of the clergy in the 
UK now) - what is there to debate?

regards, Ian

On Tue, 20 May 2008 08:39:37 +0100, Ian Smith
 wrote:

>Winsome wrote:
>> There's quite a fight going on over here...
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jesus_myth_hypothesis
>> 
>> I reckon there are more than a few alt.atheism regulars who'd be able to 
>> knock heads together in this kind of row!
>> 
>> Anyone wanna join in...?
>
>I'm not sure that its a discussion worth having, unless you can 
>agree on what constitutes 'existed' in this case.

It isn't.

>- did someone called Jesus exist: almost certainly, it was a common name

And which one of these ids the Jesus they mean?

>- did Jesus (Christ) exist: (Chrestus, teacher) very likely, it was 
>a common name

Like the above, it's a rationalisation.

>- did a Jesus exist who had a small cult following: quite possibly

Trouble is,  there is no evidence.

>- did Jesus, as described in the bible, virgin birth, walking on 
>water, curing the sick, turning water into wine, died and came back 
>as a zombie, exist: as these would all be remarkable events and 
>there appears to no independent record of it then we can assume that 
>this is simply mythology

They have only the Gospels which are a work of religious propaganda
aimed at believers in the Mediterranean myths and legends of hero
figures, and which repeat earlier stories of Hercules, Perseus and
others in what the writers imagined was a first century Palestine
setting - but one that gets basic historical and geographic details
wrong.

And which were written after Paul's epistles which show no knowledge
of an historical Jesus.

It requires secular corroboration, of which there is none after the
only claimed reference (Josephus) doesn't stand up to the slightest
scrutiny as it was obviously written by a Christian, not the Jewish
historian.

>It is easy to see how myths can build up, particularly in a culture 
>with very low literacy levels and where story telling is the 
>tradition for passing of morality tales.

But even so, the Gospels were fairy stories written after Christianity
had already started, when it changed from belief in a nebulous,
spiritual Christ and needed a human hero to make it palatable for the
Mediterranean gentiles.

>So, that *a* Jesus existed isn't contentious and *the* miracle 
>working, son of god Jesus isn't taken seriously by many people these 
>days (it appears to have been abandoned by most of the clergy in the 
>UK now) - what is there to debate?

"*A* Jesus" is a worthless rationalisation until they say which of the
thousands of different Jesus was the one they mean.

You're right. There's nothing to debate. Nobody would give a toss if
Christians had the sense to keep it within their religion.

But they don't. They expect everybody else to believe this
hypothetical Jesus was the most important person ever. 

And we wouldn't have known about the complete lack of anything to back
this up outside the Christian tradition, if their attempts to put up
had any substance.

That is the real problem: they neither put up nor shut up.

>regards, Ian

The message 
from Christopher A. Lee  contains these words:

> You're right. There's nothing to debate. Nobody would give a toss if
> Christians had the sense to keep it within their religion.

> But they don't. They expect everybody else to believe this
> hypothetical Jesus was the most important person ever. 

> And we wouldn't have known about the complete lack of anything to back
> this up outside the Christian tradition, if their attempts to put up
> had any substance.

> That is the real problem: they neither put up nor shut up.

There was an interesting programme on C4 last night about the fundies in
the UK.    It would be difficult to find a more ludicrous bunch and they
displayed their belief in bible inerrance which only served to make them
look utterly ridiculous.  The age of the Earth was a particular problem
for them!

-- 
********
David WG
********

-- 
********
David WG
********

On May 20, 5:30 am, Kelsey Bjarnason  wrote:
> [snips]
>
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 18:55:48 +0200, zasochimti wrote:
> > Where does your hatred come from, atheist? Why do you feel the need to
> > hate, son?
>
> 2,000 years of institutionalized discrimination, torture, killing,
> segregation, degradation and flat-out evil, all from people claiming to
> follow a "loving" and "good" deity, while doing every single thing they
> can to ensure society never develops past the dark ages?  Just maybe?
>
> > Relax.
>
> > Jesus loves you. He always has. And always will.
>
> People who first, never seem to have actually existed and second, if they
> did, are long dead, aren't particularly capable of loving much of
> anything... but then, we expect this sort of nonsense from theists.
>
> > And focus your hatred towards, let's say, corporations. Rich people. And
> > such.
>
> Why?  They're just in business to make money, and some of 'em even do
> significant good.  Christianity, as an organization, is dedicated to
> entirely different propositions.

The Christianity is geared towards control of people in the beginning.
Now people are smarter and dislike control, so the emphasis has gone
into love.....wait, "hell" first.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 09:21:39 +0100, David Wynne-Griffiths
 wrote:

>The message 
>from Christopher A. Lee  contains these words:
>
>> You're right. There's nothing to debate. Nobody would give a toss if
>> Christians had the sense to keep it within their religion.
>
>> But they don't. They expect everybody else to believe this
>> hypothetical Jesus was the most important person ever. 
>
>> And we wouldn't have known about the complete lack of anything to back
>> this up outside the Christian tradition, if their attempts to put up
>> had any substance.
>
>> That is the real problem: they neither put up nor shut up.
>
>There was an interesting programme on C4 last night about the fundies in
>the UK.    It would be difficult to find a more ludicrous bunch and they
>displayed their belief in bible inerrance which only served to make them
>look utterly ridiculous.  The age of the Earth was a particular problem
>for them!

I knew a few, but they weren't anything as bad as their American
counterparts.

The England I grew  up in regarded somebody's religion as their own
business so  the fundamentalists weren't in-your-face with it.

When I went up to university in 1966 there were a group everybody
laughed at, that we called the god squad, who went after freshers. But
even those didn't chase them. Although the newly "born again" were a
bit obnoxious at first until they learned that their former friends
weren't interested.

I had my first fundy when I was eight, and she couldn't cope with a
kid who had never been taught religion or gods, but had been taught to
read early and encouraged to read and learn for himself,=.

In my thirties I met a couple of jerks who were rude enough to tell me
what I believed when they found out I was atheist.

One of the highest profile fundies was James Anderton, the then chief
of police for Greater Manchester. A thorough loonie who said in a BBC
interview that God had placed hi min that job to carry out God's
orders. His first act was to prosecute the city centre newspaper
vendors under the obscene publications act for selling the tabloids
with their page 3 girls.

He enforced the Sunday trading laws more than any other police force.
In the interview he actually said they shouldn't sell their goods
because they and their customers should be in church.

So the City of Manchester was ringed by DIY superstores but the ones
in Stretford where he worked and Sale where he lived were closed on
Sundays because of repeated raids.

The privately owned Sale DIY was like a speakeasy. You knocked on the
door, a panel slid back and once they were satisfied with you they
would unlock it to let you in.

They were regularly raided, but it was a matter of principle for them.

But a decade and a half later there was Tony Blair. He has a heck of a
lot to answer for.

On Tue, 20 May 2008 06:47:02 +0200, zasochimti wrote:

> "Kelsey Bjarnason"  wrote in message
> news:3479g5-5n.ln1@spankywork.localhost.net...
>> [snips]
>>
>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:41:48 +0200, zasochimti wrote:
>>
>>>> Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises of
>>>> a third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have
>>>> walked the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal
>>>> appearance in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple
>>>> millennia ago?
>>>
>>> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".
>>
>> Sorry, was there some part of the atheist creed (you know, the one
>> which doesn't exist) that requires of us such things as loving our
>> enemies, turning the other cheek and other such things?
>>
>> No?
>>
>> Right.  Bite me.
> 
> Ok, but what gives you right then to judge christians about love,
> compassion and turning the other cheek, if you yourself don't give a
> f*ck about those "things"?

I didn't say we don't care about those things; I said we are not 
compelled, by "our creed", to do them.

Christians, on the other hand, *are* compelled by their creed to do such 
things, yet fail, miserably, day in and day out, often while lobbing 
threats and the like.

Pointing out the hypocrisy of the typical Christian doesn't require that 
we believe as they or that we have a creed; it simply requires that 
Christians act as we expect Christians to act: hypocritical and dishonest.

zasochimti wrote:

 > Ok. You want evidence of Jeebus' existence?
 >
 > Look into the mirror, son.
 >
 > Voila.
 >
 > You're welcome.

You know, you're  the first paranoid schizophrenic  I've ever come
across who thinks that the people around him are the heroes of his
delusional fantasies. What makes you think I'm Jesus? Are you sure
you're not Jesus?

And when  was the last  time you took  your meds? Cuz, if  I'm not
mistraken, you're waaaaaaay overdue for your last dose.

Better call the hospital, or at least your caseworker.

And, no. She's not Mary Magdalene, and we're not having an affair.

Cheers,

b&

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"mark"  wrote in message news:l-2dnbt96KKXYazVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
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>> Because you atheists are so pissed when someone mentions God.
>
> Ok.   That's about enough for me.....
> mindless irrelevance, completely incomrehensible replies and nonsensical statement.

Not my effin' fault that you have a pea-sized brain.

"DanielSan"  wrote in message news:AtudnbL8i_Lvxq_VnZ2dnUVZ_rLinZ2d@comcast.com...
> zasochimti wrote:
>> "Kelsey Bjarnason"  wrote in message news:3479g5-5n.ln1@spankywork.localhost.net...
>>> [snips]
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:41:48 +0200, zasochimti wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises of a
>>>>> third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have walked
>>>>> the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal appearance
>>>>> in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple millennia ago?
>>>> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".
>>> Sorry, was there some part of the atheist creed (you know, the one which
>>> doesn't exist) that requires of us such things as loving our enemies,
>>> turning the other cheek and other such things?
>>>
>>> No?
>>>
>>> Right.  Bite me.
>>
>> Ok, but what gives you right then to judge christians about love, compassion and
>> turning the other cheek, if you yourself don't give a f*ck about those "things"?
>>
>> Huh?
>
> Did Kelsey say that he didn't give a "f*ck" about those things?
>
>>
>> As I said before : atheists = xtians. As stupid as they are. Evil too.
>
> Christians believe in God.  Atheists do not.  Atheists != Christians
>
> Idiot.

Still, their stupidity & viciousness/vileness walk hand in hand.

No difference to me.

Aaaaand... that's your problem, atheist. Not mine.

Sorry.

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"zasochimti"  wrote in message 
news:g11ks8$l0n$3@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "mark"  wrote in message 
> news:l-2dnbt96KKXYazVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> X-No-Archive: yes
>>> Because you atheists are so pissed when someone mentions God.


>> Ok.   That's about enough for me.....
>> mindless irrelevance, completely incomrehensible replies and nonsensical 
>> statement.

> Not my effin' fault that you have a pea-sized brain.


What is  palpably obvious and demonstrated beyond doubt by the words you 
write here,  is your towering intellectual (in)capability...
All here have witness to it.
It's quite usual for those who are incapable of logical argument, or have 
lost that argument,  to resort to ad hominen attacks.
That is also well noted here by others.
Actually, you don't say very much that is remotely of interest whatsoever... 
you are a shining beacon for the christian cause.
Enough now..


Mark

"Ben Goren"  wrote in message news:1211376963_2824@isp.n...
> zasochimti wrote:
>
> > Ok. You want evidence of Jeebus' existence?
> >
> > Look into the mirror, son.
> >
> > Voila.
> >
> > You're welcome.
>
> You know, you're  the first paranoid schizophrenic  I've ever come
> across who thinks that the people around him are the heroes of his
> delusional fantasies. What makes you think I'm Jesus? Are you sure
> you're not Jesus?
>
> And when  was the last  time you took  your meds? Cuz, if  I'm not
> mistraken, you're waaaaaaay overdue for your last dose.
>
> Better call the hospital, or at least your caseworker.
>
> And, no. She's not Mary Magdalene, and we're not having an affair.

Ben has completely lost it.

Funny.

"Charles & Mambo Duckman"  wrote in message news:nZudnQbZu9nctK_VnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> zasochimti wrote:
>
>
>> Chill.
>> Relax.
>> Relax.
>> So, just chill. Relax.
>
>
> Go fuck yourself.

Now that's some pure atheist "understanding and compassion".

No doubt.

"Kelsey Bjarnason"  wrote in message news:n0abg5-5n.ln1@spankywork.localhost.net...
> On Tue, 20 May 2008 06:47:02 +0200, zasochimti wrote:
>
>> "Kelsey Bjarnason"  wrote in message
>> news:3479g5-5n.ln1@spankywork.localhost.net...
>>> [snips]
>>>
>>> On Mon, 19 May 2008 06:41:48 +0200, zasochimti wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Speaking of which, why do you  waste your life singing the praises of
>>>>> a third-rate  god who's conclusively been proven  never to have
>>>>> walked the  face of  the  Earth,  let  alone  put in  a  personal
>>>>> appearance in a  certain minor outlaying Roman possession a couple
>>>>> millennia ago?
>>>>
>>>> Ahhh, the "atheist love and understanding".
>>>
>>> Sorry, was there some part of the atheist creed (you know, the one
>>> which doesn't exist) that requires of us such things as loving our
>>> enemies, turning the other cheek and other such things?
>>>
>>> No?
>>>
>>> Right.  Bite me.
>>
>> Ok, but what gives you right then to judge christians about love,
>> compassion and turning the other cheek, if you yourself don't give a
>> f*ck about those "things"?
>
> I didn't say we don't care about those things; I said we are not
> compelled, by "our creed", to do them.

Of course you are not "compelled".

I mean, who ever saw an atheist that is full of love and compassion, for instance?

Have you ever seen an atheist "turning the other cheek"?

God forbid. I think their heads would make a 360 degree turn.

> Christians, on the other hand, *are* compelled by their creed to do such
> things, yet fail, miserably, day in and day out, often while lobbing
> threats and the like.

So, if you are not "compelled", you ought to "publicly shut up" and mind your own
business, whacko atheist.

If you, by some kind of magic, do feel "compelled" to do those forementioned things,
you may speak up. And you deserve to be heard.

Otherwise - shut the f*ck up, dumbass.

> Pointing out the hypocrisy of the typical Christian doesn't require that
> we believe as they or that we have a creed; it simply requires that
> Christians act as we expect Christians to act: hypocritical and dishonest.

And here is yet another proof how evil, malicious, vicious and stupid atheists are.

Just as much as any christian/xtian/theist out there.

zasochimti wrote:
> "Charles & Mambo Duckman"  wrote in message news:nZudnQbZu9nctK_VnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> zasochimti wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Chill.
>>> Relax.
>>> Relax.
>>> So, just chill. Relax.
>>
>> Go fuck yourself.
> 
> Now that's some pure atheist "understanding and compassion".

Since atheism is only lack of belief in deities, "understanding and 
compassion" are not properties of atheism.  They can be properties of 
atheists, but not necessarily.

You see, atheists are not a cohesive group.  The actions of one do not 
reflect on anyone else.  Even if the largest, cruelest, and disgusting 
mass murderer that ever lived was an avowed atheist, it would not have 
any bearing on any other atheist, any more than if that murderer was a 
male, had a mustache, was bald, or any other irrelevant defining 
characteristic of the murderer.


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zasochimti wrote:

 > Ben Goren wrote:
 >> zasochimti wrote:
 >>
 >>> Ok. You want evidence of Jeebus' existence?
 >>>
 >>> Look into the mirror, son.
 >>>
 >>> Voila.
 >>>
 >>> You're welcome.
 >>
 >> You  know, you're  the first  paranoid schizophrenic  I've ever
 >> come  across who  thinks that  the  people around  him are  the
 >> heroes of  his delusional  fantasies. What makes you  think I'm
 >> Jesus? Are you sure you're not Jesus?
 >>
 >> And when was the last time  you took your meds? Cuz, if I'm not
 >> mistraken, you're waaaaaaay overdue for your last dose.
 >>
 >> Better call the hospital, or at least your caseworker.
 >>
 >> And,  no. She's not  Mary Magdalene,  and we're  not having  an
 >> affair.
 >
 > Ben has completely lost it.
 >
 > Funny.

Well, that just registered a 3 on the irony meter: whacko dude who
thinks *I'm* Jesus says I've lost it.

Care to try again? I bet, with a bit of effort, you could even get
the needle to touch 5.

Cheers,

b&

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zasochimti wrote:

>>>Chill.
>>>Relax.
>>>Relax.
>>>So, just chill. Relax.
>>
>>
>>Go fuck yourself.
> 
> 
> Now that's some pure atheist "understanding and compassion".
> 
> No doubt.


???

What's to understand? That you're an idiot? And I'm supposed to be 
compassionate towards idiots? And what's that got to do with me being an 
atheist? Are you drunk?


-- 
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We can use the wood

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zasochimti:

> I mean, who ever saw an atheist that is full of love and compassion,
> for instance?

LOL another - äh - believer xD

Boy, when you have this warm feeling that there is something that takes
care of your coward-ass because you can't stand it that you are a
coward, this feeling that you have, when normally your piss runs down
your legs, then this has nothing to do with love and compassion.

Some others have this feeling when they worship their god soccer or
basketball, others again  sitting in the evening-sun bathing their
fishing-bait.

What a poor being that only can feel love and compassion through an
invisible super-nanny.
-- 
sola dosis facit venenum

DanielSan wrote:

>> Now that's some pure atheist "understanding and compassion".
> 
> Since atheism is only lack of belief in deities, "understanding and 
> compassion" are not properties of atheism.  They can be properties of 
> atheists, but not necessarily.
> 
> You see, atheists are not a cohesive group.  The actions of one do not 
> reflect on anyone else.

True. A useful calibration tool when making comments about atheists 
is to see how the same comments sound when applied to people who are 
not stamp collectors.

I don't even like being called an a-theist. As a label it makes 
about as much sense as being categorised as a non-rapist or a 
non-paedophile.

regards, Ian

[snips]

On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:30:17 +0200, zasochimti wrote:

> I mean, who ever saw an atheist that is full of love and compassion, for
> instance?

I've seen *many*.  Again, you confuse simple things.  In this case, you 
confuse the atheist not tolerating typical Christian hypocrisy with the 
atheist not having love and compassion.  Since those are not the same 
thing, even remotely, why are you unable to tell them apart?

> Have you ever seen an atheist "turning the other cheek"?

Many, many times.

The most obvious example is when the atheist encounters yet another god-
addled nutjob, but instead of pointing out the insanity of their beliefs, 
he simply lets them rant.  Happens every day.

>> Christians, on the other hand, *are* compelled by their creed to do
>> such things, yet fail, miserably, day in and day out, often while
>> lobbing threats and the like.
> 
> So, if you are not "compelled", you ought to "publicly shut up" and mind
> your own business, whacko atheist.

Excuse?  That makes no sense.  You're not compelled by your creed to go 
pee; does this mean you will never again do so?  Obviously not.  Try 
again.

>> Pointing out the hypocrisy of the typical Christian doesn't require
>> that we believe as they or that we have a creed; it simply requires
>> that Christians act as we expect Christians to act: hypocritical and
>> dishonest.
> 
> And here is yet another proof how evil, malicious, vicious and stupid
> atheists are.

I see; by recognizing hypocrisy and calling someone on it, we are 
malicious, vicious and stupid.  Whereas ignoring hypocrisy and allowing 
it to spread unchecked is loving and kind and proper.  Is this what 
you're suggesting?

"Ian Smith"  wrote in message 
news:FbGdnVXmM5anHa_VnZ2dnUVZ8sTinZ2d@

> - did Jesus (Christ) exist: (Chrestus, teacher) very likely, it was a 
> common name

'Chrestus' doesn't mean 'teacher'.
And the rest of your post is even less substantial.

W.

Winsome wrote:
> "Ian Smith"  wrote in message 

> 
>> - did Jesus (Christ) exist: (Chrestus, teacher) very likely, it was a 
>> common name
> 
> 'Chrestus' doesn't mean 'teacher'.

Well thank you for your contribution to the debate. I'm not sure why 
you didn't explain what it does mean so we could all benefit.

However, it very much depends on the origin of the word...

Chrestus (as per my spelling above) would mean "useful one", often 
used in the context of a teacher

I suspect that the point you failed to make was that if the 
derivation was from Christos - then either anointed (or plastered).

> And the rest of your post is even less substantial.

But clearly much more substantial than your response, which appears 
deliberately devoid of any content?

However, my point still stands:

That an unremarkable jesus existed - would be unremarkable in itself.
That a remarkable jesus existed - is simply unsupported by any evidence.

regards, Ian

On Wed, 21 May 2008 20:24:07 +0200, zasochimti wrote:

> "Ben Goren"  wrote in message
> news:1211376963_2824@isp.n...
>> zasochimti wrote:
>>
>> > Ok. You want evidence of Jeebus' existence?
>> >
>> > Look into the mirror, son.
>> >
>> > Voila.
>> >
>> > You're welcome.
>>
>> You know, you're  the first paranoid schizophrenic  I've ever come
>> across who thinks that the people around him are the heroes of his
>> delusional fantasies. What makes you think I'm Jesus? Are you sure
>> you're not Jesus?
>>
>> And when  was the last  time you took  your meds? Cuz, if  I'm not
>> mistraken, you're waaaaaaay overdue for your last dose.
>>
>> Better call the hospital, or at least your caseworker.
>>
>> And, no. She's not Mary Magdalene, and we're not having an affair.
> 
> Ben has completely lost it.

Let's see:

zasochimti: "You want evidence of Jeebus' existence?  Look into the 
mirror, son."

This makes sense only if zasochimti is claiming the other poster is, in 
fact, "Jeebus", aka "Jesus".  Meaning you've just asserted that Ben is, 
in fact, Jesus.

Telling him he has "lost it" for pointing out the oddity of your saying 
he is Jesus doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

So is he Jesus?  If so, his comments are right in line with what you said.

Or isn't he Jesus, in which case, your telling him to look in the mirror 
is a suggestion completely detached from any sort of reality?

And in either case, how is one supposed to treat the conclusion - either 
conclusion - as anything but some form of mental defect on your part?

David Wynne-Griffiths wrote:
> The message 
> from Christopher A. Lee  contains these words:
> 
>> You're right. There's nothing to debate. Nobody would give a toss if
>> Christians had the sense to keep it within their religion.
> 
>> But they don't. They expect everybody else to believe this
>> hypothetical Jesus was the most important person ever. 
> 
>> And we wouldn't have known about the complete lack of anything to back
>> this up outside the Christian tradition, if their attempts to put up
>> had any substance.
> 
>> That is the real problem: they neither put up nor shut up.
> 
> There was an interesting programme on C4 last night about the fundies in
> the UK.    It would be difficult to find a more ludicrous bunch and they
> displayed their belief in bible inerrance which only served to make them
> look utterly ridiculous.  The age of the Earth was a particular problem
> for them!
> 

If you missed it, it is all on-line - very worrying indeed, 
particularly the faith schools stupidity.

http://www.secularism.org.uk/dispatches.html

regards, Ian