By Sam Harris

http://www.samharris.org/

"We are preparing to run another fMRI study of belief and disbelief, and we 
need volunteers to help us refine our experimental stimuli. This promises to 
be the first study of religious faith at the level of the brain. By 
responding to the four surveys I have posted online, you can make an 
enormous contribution to this work.

Please answer as many of the surveys as you can. If you only have time to 
answer one, please choose at random (otherwise, we will have many more 
responses to the first than to the others).

Feel free to post this message to your blog or to forward the relevant links 
to your friends. We especially need Christians to respond, as one of the 
goals of these surveys is to design stimuli that a majority of Christians 
will find doctrinally sound."

On May 6, 5:59 am, "PG"  wrote:
> By Sam Harris
>
> http://www.samharris.org/
>
> "We are preparing to run another fMRI study of belief and disbelief, and we
> need volunteers to help us refine our experimental stimuli. This promises to
> be the first study of religious faith at the level of the brain. By
> responding to the four surveys I have posted online, you can make an
> enormous contribution to this work.
>
> Please answer as many of the surveys as you can. If you only have time to
> answer one, please choose at random (otherwise, we will have many more
> responses to the first than to the others).
>
> Feel free to post this message to your blog or to forward the relevant links
> to your friends. We especially need Christians to respond, as one of the
> goals of these surveys is to design stimuli that a majority of Christians
> will find doctrinally sound."

REPLY: Belief in a personal Creator for our personal Being comes as
early as 5 years old which is why the child asks his Parents questions
about his/her personal existence and where all of this came from. If a
child were an atheist from birth, a child would already know and never
ask these questions.  Every human being has within them an instrinisc
knowledge of a personal Creator because the Creator has put his
fingerprints on eachj and every person .  You can study the Brain of
the Religious , but every person has a religion they follow, practice,
believe in, and own   but what the study should really entail is,
studying 5 - 7 year olds  and why they ask the origin questions they
do.  If the Reader of this reply does not agree (due to having
suppressed the intrinsic truth that is within them regarding the
Creator as an adult), then  perhaps they can answer why they asked the
questions to their Parents they did when they were between 5-7  if
'they were an atheist since birth' .

IlBeBauck@gmail.com wrote:
> On May 6, 5:59 am, "PG"  wrote:
>> By Sam Harris
>>
>> http://www.samharris.org/
>>
>> "We are preparing to run another fMRI study of belief and disbelief,
>> and we need volunteers to help us refine our experimental stimuli.
>> This promises to be the first study of religious faith at the level
>> of the brain. By responding to the four surveys I have posted
>> online, you can make an enormous contribution to this work.
>>
>> Please answer as many of the surveys as you can. If you only have
>> time to answer one, please choose at random (otherwise, we will have
>> many more responses to the first than to the others).
>>
>> Feel free to post this message to your blog or to forward the
>> relevant links to your friends. We especially need Christians to
>> respond, as one of the goals of these surveys is to design stimuli
>> that a majority of Christians will find doctrinally sound."
>
> REPLY: Belief in a personal Creator for our personal Being comes as
> early as 5 years old which is why the child asks his Parents questions
> about his/her personal existence and where all of this came from.

...And then gets told a heap of creationist lies and myths which become part 
of the child's world-view; causing harm and tainting their perception of 
reality throughout their life.


> If a
> child were an atheist from birth, a child would already know and never
> ask these questions.

That's like saying if a child were a human from birth the child would 
already know how to communicate, socialise, and fully integrate into society 
to make their life a success without any external coaching.

>  Every human being has within them an instrinisc
> knowledge of a personal Creator because the Creator has put his
> fingerprints on eachj and every person .

That is so laughable: Is there *ANY* evidence for that statement? - Just a 
tiny smidgen of a hint even?

>  You can study the Brain of
> the Religious , but every person has a religion they follow, practice,
> believe in, and own   but what the study should really entail is,
> studying 5 - 7 year olds  and why they ask the origin questions they
> do.

For the same reason they ask any other question: Education, what Dimwit Dave 
never had.

>  If the Reader of this reply does not agree...
-------------------------------------------------
**Ignore the stupid DiLV crap below.**

(due to having
> suppressed the intrinsic truth that is within them regarding the
> Creator as an adult),

**Ignore the stupid DiLV crap above**
-------------------------------------------------
>...then  perhaps they can answer why they asked the
> questions to their Parents they did when they were between 5-7  if
> 'they were an atheist since birth' .

Well I'm not saying I was an Atheist or anything else of any religious or 
lack of religious context since birth: I just plain didn't know and wanted 
to know: I was told a pack of 3rd-hand-lies and fairy-tales that I believed 
until I was old, mature, and intelligent enough to work out for myself that 
what I was told was a fantastical excuse for ignorance: I wish I hadn't 
asked in the first place.

On May 6, 7:34 am, "Dr.Hal0nf1r£$"
<fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On May 6, 5:59 am, "PG"  wrote:
> >> By Sam Harris
>
> >>http://www.samharris.org/
>
> >> "We are preparing to run another fMRI study of belief and disbelief,
> >> and we need volunteers to help us refine our experimental stimuli.
> >> This promises to be the first study of religious faith at the level
> >> of the brain. By responding to the four surveys I have posted
> >> online, you can make an enormous contribution to this work.
>
> >> Please answer as many of the surveys as you can. If you only have
> >> time to answer one, please choose at random (otherwise, we will have
> >> many more responses to the first than to the others).
>
> >> Feel free to post this message to your blog or to forward the
> >> relevant links to your friends. We especially need Christians to
> >> respond, as one of the goals of these surveys is to design stimuli
> >> that a majority of Christians will find doctrinally sound."
>
> > REPLY: Belief in a personal Creator for our personal Being comes as
> > early as 5 years old which is why the child asks his Parents questions
> > about his/her personal existence and where all of this came from.
>
> ...And then gets told a heap of creationist lies and myths which become part
> of the child's world-view; causing harm and tainting their perception of
> reality throughout their life.
>
> > If a
> > child were an atheist from birth, a child would already know and never
> > ask these questions.
>
> That's like saying if a child were a human from birth the child would
> already know how to communicate, socialise, and fully integrate into society
> to make their life a success without any external coaching.
>
> >  Every human being has within them an instrinisc
> > knowledge of a personal Creator because the Creator has put his
> > fingerprints on eachj and every person .
>
> That is so laughable: Is there *ANY* evidence for that statement? - Just a> tiny smidgen of a hint even?
>
> >  You can study the Brain of
> > the Religious , but every person has a religion they follow, practice,
> > believe in, and own   but what the study should really entail is,
> > studying 5 - 7 year olds  and why they ask the origin questions they
> > do.
>
> For the same reason they ask any other question: Education, what Dimwit Dave
> never had.
>
> >  If the Reader of this reply does not agree...
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> **Ignore the stupid DiLV crap below.**
>
> (due to having
>
> > suppressed the intrinsic truth that is within them regarding the
> > Creator as an adult),
>
> **Ignore the stupid DiLV crap above**
> -------------------------------------------------
>
> >...then  perhaps they can answer why they asked the
> > questions to their Parents they did when they were between 5-7  if
> > 'they were , gan atheist since birth' .
>
> Well I'm not saying I was an Atheist or anything else of any religious or
> lack of religious context since birth: I just plain didn't know and wanted> to know: I was told a pack of 3rd-hand-lies and fairy-tales that I believed
> until I was old, mature, and intelligent enough to work out for myself that
> what I was told was a fantastical excuse for ignorance: I wish I hadn't
> asked in the first place.- Hide quoted text -
>  n
> - Show quoted text -

REPLY:  Fairytales , are forcing oneself to have FAITH that non
intelligent rocks,dirt,gas  can first bring 250 razor edge physics
constants needed to make our Universe run all by accident, then,  for
them to work with one another in unison whereas if any ONE is
missing,  our solar system/earth/us   are no here.  Now sharron, you
can PRETEND rocks and dirt can do this, but by what instrument or
evolutionary non intelligent process really can ??  You pride yourself
as being a person of high IQ, so, please give us your highly educated
answer to 1.  How they popped into existence all together  with no
intelligent help.  2.  How they decided to work in unison with no
intelligent help.   Until you can, it is you that displays faith in
fairytales.  Hows the Komputa business going for you lately ? And, do
you find you need a Komputa Programmer for your Computers, or, are
they automatically programmed from materials within the atmosphere ?
Bring us up to date on this . Thanks.

On May 6, 3:59 am, "PG"  wrote:
> By Sam Harris
>
> http://www.samharris.org/
>
> "We are preparing to run another fMRI study of belief and disbelief, and we
> need volunteers to help us refine our experimental stimuli. This promises to
> be the first study of religious faith at the level of the brain. By
> responding to the four surveys I have posted online, you can make an
> enormous contribution to this work.
>
> Please answer as many of the surveys as you can. If you only have time to
> answer one, please choose at random (otherwise, we will have many more
> responses to the first than to the others).
>
> Feel free to post this message to your blog or to forward the relevant links
> to your friends. We especially need Christians to respond, as one of the
> goals of these surveys is to design stimuli that a majority of Christians
> will find doctrinally sound.

"Many, if not most of Dimwit Dave's replies, have little if nothing to
do with the original subject
Even after someone has made a
detailed and carefully crafted challenge complete with references to
one of his posts, there's usually no reply, or if he does, he makes a
few comments followed by "Regards, and...End." so he gets in the last
word

He almost never answers a direct question, but instead goes
off on some tangent or leading question about Dog, sex, or religion
completely unrelated to the original subject with the intent to gain
control of the thread and push HIS point of view, and then posts a
link to a creationist site to "prove" he's right while every other
rational thinking sentient human being is wrong

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On May 6, 7:34 am, "Dr.Hal0nf1r£$"
<fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:

Ignore this ignoramus fundie creationist.

It will be interesting to see the results of the Sam Harris research when it 
comes through.

"PG"  wrote in message news:fvpv2f$7ul$1@aioe.org...
>
>  a écrit dans le message de news: 
> 6560f9a1-7ca2-4c17-98e4-914fd947b1c1@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
> On May 6, 7:34 am, "Dr.Hal0nf1r£$"
> <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Ignore this ignoramus fundie creationist.
>
> It will be interesting to see the results of the Sam Harris research when 
> it comes through.
Has anyone else looked at these surveys at all??

I worked through the first one. It is a mixture of the obviously factually 
true  - 'The US Constitution is a very famous document'. the obviously 
factually false - 'most people in the US speak twelve foreign languages', 
the obviously true value judgment - it is important to teach people to read 
and write'  the silly value judgment - 'people should wake their neighbours 
every morning' and a number of controversial statements about religion, some 
extolling it, others damning it.

It will be obvious to those reviewing submissions where each respondent 
stands on religion, and i suppose that can produce a statistical correlation 
between religious belief and support for other statements, but the 
non-religious statements are so trivial that I am at a loss to know what 
this can possibly contribute to any worthwhile form of social science 
research.

"Andrew McGee"  a écrit dans le message de news: 
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>
> "PG"  wrote in message 
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>>
>>  a écrit dans le message de news: 
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>> On May 6, 7:34 am, "Dr.Hal0nf1r£$"
>> <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Ignore this ignoramus fundie creationist.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see the results of the Sam Harris research when 
>> it comes through.
> Has anyone else looked at these surveys at all??
>
> I worked through the first one. It is a mixture of the obviously factually 
> true  - 'The US Constitution is a very famous document'. the obviously 
> factually false - 'most people in the US speak twelve foreign languages', 
> the obviously true value judgment - it is important to teach people to 
> read and write'  the silly value judgment - 'people should wake their 
> neighbours every morning' and a number of controversial statements about 
> religion, some extolling it, others damning it.
>
> It will be obvious to those reviewing submissions where each respondent 
> stands on religion, and i suppose that can produce a statistical 
> correlation between religious belief and support for other statements, but 
> the non-religious statements are so trivial that I am at a loss to know 
> what this can possibly contribute to any worthwhile form of social science 
> research.

'Trivial' in some cases, but you pick the most blatant examples, and there 
are enough less clearcut questions where some people will no doubt struggle 
to answer. I am sure that Harris has a number of research aims through the 
more than 400 questions in the survey, perhaps including an indication of 
the extent of the knowledge and understanding of the respondents. "Less than 
1,000 celestial bodies in the universe"? It could reveal a correlation 
between belief and intelligence, at the very least! And it will be mostly 
Americans answering the questions, with some pretty simple and naive 
religious beliefs in certain cases.

pga

PG wrote:
> "Andrew McGee"  a écrit dans le message de
> news: XNudnd4IiqSMFL3VnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
>>
>> "PG"  wrote in message
>> news:fvpv2f$7ul$1@aioe.org...
>>>
>>>  a écrit dans le message de news:
>>> 6560f9a1-7ca2-4c17-98e4-914fd947b1c1@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>> On May 6, 7:34 am, "Dr.Hal0nf1r£$"
>>> <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> Ignore this ignoramus fundie creationist.
>>>
>>> It will be interesting to see the results of the Sam Harris
>>> research when it comes through.
>> Has anyone else looked at these surveys at all??
>>
>> I worked through the first one. It is a mixture of the obviously
>> factually true  - 'The US Constitution is a very famous document'.
>> the obviously factually false - 'most people in the US speak twelve
>> foreign languages', the obviously true value judgment - it is
>> important to teach people to read and write'  the silly value
>> judgment - 'people should wake their neighbours every morning' and a
>> number of controversial statements about religion, some extolling
>> it, others damning it. It will be obvious to those reviewing submissions 
>> where each
>> respondent stands on religion, and i suppose that can produce a
>> statistical correlation between religious belief and support for
>> other statements, but the non-religious statements are so trivial
>> that I am at a loss to know what this can possibly contribute to any
>> worthwhile form of social science research.
>
> 'Trivial' in some cases, but you pick the most blatant examples, and
> there are enough less clearcut questions where some people will no
> doubt struggle to answer. I am sure that Harris has a number of
> research aims through the more than 400 questions in the survey,
> perhaps including an indication of the extent of the knowledge and
> understanding of the respondents. "Less than 1,000 celestial bodies
> in the universe"? It could reveal a correlation between belief and
> intelligence, at the very least! And it will be mostly Americans
> answering the questions, with some pretty simple and naive religious
> beliefs in certain cases.
I was rather saddened to find that the surveys were only aimed at devout 
Atheists and Christians: Although I'm a Pagan evolutionist, sharing many 
views with Atheism; I would have liked to have participated but felt unable 
to do so.

On May 6, 8:58 am, "PG"  wrote:

Ignore this ignoramus fundie creationist.

And seconded
Sandy

"Dr.Hal0nf1r£$" <femail@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> a écrit dans le 
message de news: _u2dnXUqVqdFCr3VnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d@bt.com...
> PG wrote:
>> "Andrew McGee"  a écrit dans le message de
>> news: XNudnd4IiqSMFL3VnZ2dnUVZ8tqinZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>>> "PG"  wrote in message
>>> news:fvpv2f$7ul$1@aioe.org...
>>>>
>>>>  a écrit dans le message de news:
>>>> 6560f9a1-7ca2-4c17-98e4-914fd947b1c1@e53g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On May 6, 7:34 am, "Dr.Hal0nf1r£$"
>>>> <fem...@nospam.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> IlBeBa...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ignore this ignoramus fundie creationist.
>>>>
>>>> It will be interesting to see the results of the Sam Harris
>>>> research when it comes through.
>>> Has anyone else looked at these surveys at all??
>>>
>>> I worked through the first one. It is a mixture of the obviously
>>> factually true  - 'The US Constitution is a very famous document'.
>>> the obviously factually false - 'most people in the US speak twelve
>>> foreign languages', the obviously true value judgment - it is
>>> important to teach people to read and write'  the silly value
>>> judgment - 'people should wake their neighbours every morning' and a
>>> number of controversial statements about religion, some extolling
>>> it, others damning it. It will be obvious to those reviewing submissions 
>>> where each
>>> respondent stands on religion, and i suppose that can produce a
>>> statistical correlation between religious belief and support for
>>> other statements, but the non-religious statements are so trivial
>>> that I am at a loss to know what this can possibly contribute to any
>>> worthwhile form of social science research.
>>
>> 'Trivial' in some cases, but you pick the most blatant examples, and
>> there are enough less clearcut questions where some people will no
>> doubt struggle to answer. I am sure that Harris has a number of
>> research aims through the more than 400 questions in the survey,
>> perhaps including an indication of the extent of the knowledge and
>> understanding of the respondents. "Less than 1,000 celestial bodies
>> in the universe"? It could reveal a correlation between belief and
>> intelligence, at the very least! And it will be mostly Americans
>> answering the questions, with some pretty simple and naive religious
>> beliefs in certain cases.

> I was rather saddened to find that the surveys were only aimed at devout 
> Atheists and Christians: Although I'm a Pagan evolutionist, sharing many 
> views with Atheism; I would have liked to have participated but felt 
> unable to do so.

Well imo a "devout atheist" is a contradiction in terms ... and nothing I 
read at the intro to the survey excluded anyone from responding - it would 
be impossible to do so anyway.

pga

On May 6, 4:41 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:
> If the Reader of this reply does not agree

NO I don't

(due to having
> suppressed the intrinsic truth that is within them regarding the
> Creator as an adult),

That's only your highly subjective opinion, right, because is has NO
basis in fact!

then  perhaps they can answer why they asked the
> questions to their Parents they did when they were between 5-7  if
> 'they were an atheist since birth'

Another made up story from the depths of a very disturbed mind.
BTW> Where is this 5-7 year old child? Just another figment from your
imagination, like all of your stories.

You are ever so f**ked up
Hewy

On May 6, 6:41 am, "IlBeBa...@gmail.com"  wrote:

> REPLY:  Fairytales..............   Is all this fundy moron can find to guide him thru his miserable wasted useless friendless existence

You're STILL ever so fucked up!
Hewy

PG wrote:

> 'Trivial' in some cases, but you pick the most blatant examples, and there 
> are enough less clearcut questions where some people will no doubt struggle 
> to answer. I am sure that Harris has a number of research aims through the 
> more than 400 questions in the survey, perhaps including an indication of 
> the extent of the knowledge and understanding of the respondents. "Less than 
> 1,000 celestial bodies in the universe"? It could reveal a correlation 
> between belief and intelligence, at the very least! And it will be mostly 
> Americans answering the questions, with some pretty simple and naive 
> religious beliefs in certain cases.
> 
> pga 
> 
> 
What do you do with "The greatest athletes in certain sports are in 
extremely good physical condition."

I was thinking of darts! "It's Eric at the 'ockey ..."

"Martin"  a écrit dans le message de news: 
4820f2aa$0$2486$da0feed9@news.zen.co.uk...
> PG wrote:
>
>> 'Trivial' in some cases, but you pick the most blatant examples, and 
>> there are enough less clearcut questions where some people will no doubt 
>> struggle to answer. I am sure that Harris has a number of research aims 
>> through the more than 400 questions in the survey, perhaps including an 
>> indication of the extent of the knowledge and understanding of the 
>> respondents. "Less than 1,000 celestial bodies in the universe"? It could 
>> reveal a correlation between belief and intelligence, at the very least! 
>> And it will be mostly Americans answering the questions, with some pretty 
>> simple and naive religious beliefs in certain cases.
>>
>> pga
> What do you do with "The greatest athletes in certain sports are in 
> extremely good physical condition."
>
> I was thinking of darts! "It's Eric at the 'ockey ..."

LOL! Or how about Bill (26 pints of prescription lager before a snooker 
game) Werbernuik ...