Isaac Hayes has snuffed it and the 'newspapers' are full of gunk like 
'soul icon', 'soul legend' etc. Oh yeah, I've never heard of anything by 
him other than 'Shaft'. Soul legend my arse.

John of Aix  wrote:

> Isaac Hayes has snuffed it and the 'newspapers' are full of gunk like
> 'soul icon', 'soul legend' etc. Oh yeah, I've never heard of anything by
> him other than 'Shaft'. Soul legend my arse. 

TF, Salty Balls.

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    o----<< [   They're really just a crunchy substrate   ] >>----o

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:41:57 +0100, snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe)
wrote this:

>John of Aix  wrote:
>
>> Isaac Hayes has snuffed it and the 'newspapers' are full of gunk like
>> 'soul icon', 'soul legend' etc. Oh yeah, I've never heard of anything by
>> him other than 'Shaft'. Soul legend my arse. 
>
>TF, Salty Balls.

Aix, you are ignorant vermin.




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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:23:08 +0100, Hypodeemic Nerdle wrote:

> Aix, you are ignorant vermin.

Is that by The Fall?


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Hypodeemic Nerdle <grk@ku.gro.assednacni> wrote:

> Aix, you are ignorant vermin.

News is this?

%steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) writes:

> Hypodeemic Nerdle <grk@ku.gro.assednacni> wrote:
>
>> Aix, you are ignorant vermin.
>
> News is this?

Yoda channelling you are?

-- 
it could happen to you

August West  wrote:

> %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth) writes:
> 
> > Hypodeemic Nerdle <grk@ku.gro.assednacni> wrote:
> >
> >> Aix, you are ignorant vermin.
> >
> > News is this?
> 
> Yoda channelling you are?

Force felt have I. Shreddies for breakfast must have been.

Hypodeemic Nerdle wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:41:57 +0100, snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe)
> wrote this:
>
>> John of Aix  wrote:
>>
>>> Isaac Hayes has snuffed it and the 'newspapers' are full of gunk
>>> like 'soul icon', 'soul legend' etc. Oh yeah, I've never heard of
>>> anything by him other than 'Shaft'. Soul legend my arse.
>>
>> TF, Salty Balls.
>
> Aix, you are ignorant vermin.

So you think he's a soul legend do you? Do you buy the Daily Mail as
well, you should, it's full of utterly meaningless tripe like 'legend',
'tragedy' and 'heroic' tacked on to the names of ordinary people and
stories about nothing at all. Anyway, instead of spewing bile do tell me
what makes this basically one hit wonder a 'soul legend'.

John of Aix  wrote:

> So you think he's a soul legend do you? Do you buy the Daily Mail as
> well, you should, it's full of utterly meaningless tripe like 'legend',
> 'tragedy' and 'heroic' tacked on to the names of ordinary people and
> stories about nothing at all. 

Can you get the Daily Mail over there in Forn Parts? Lucky old you, 
it sounds to me as though your cup runneth over.

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 o----<< [  The first time I met her she was a kennel-maid  ] >>----o

In article <48a1c7d9$0$870$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, 
j.murphy@libertysurf.fr says...
> Hypodeemic Nerdle wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:41:57 +0100, snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe)
> > wrote this:
> >
> >> John of Aix  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Isaac Hayes has snuffed it and the 'newspapers' are full of gunk
> >>> like 'soul icon', 'soul legend' etc. Oh yeah, I've never heard of
> >>> anything by him other than 'Shaft'. Soul legend my arse.
> >>
> >> TF, Salty Balls.
> >
> > Aix, you are ignorant vermin.
> 
> So you think he's a soul legend do you? Do you buy the Daily Mail as
> well, you should, it's full of utterly meaningless tripe like 'legend',
> 'tragedy' and 'heroic' tacked on to the names of ordinary people and
> stories about nothing at all. Anyway, instead of spewing bile do tell me
> what makes this basically one hit wonder a 'soul legend'.
> 

"One hit wonder"? You must be joking. He wrote "Soul Man" and "Hold On 
I'm Comin'" for Sam and Dave, as well as producing and playing on a load 
of other Stax classics. He had 9 top 40 albums and 8 top 40 singles in 
his own right, and a career that lasted nigh on 40 years. 

"Shaft" didn't appear out of nowhere. It was a breakthrough after years 
of innovation based on the original Stax sound, but adding lush 
orchestration and more jazz and gospel influences. It influenced an awful 
lot of what happened in soul music afterwards. He even influenced the 
house music scene. Maybe not the biggest selling recording artist in the 
history of soul, but definitely somebody who was a major influence in 
more than one genre of music.

I don't think describing him as a "soul legend" is exaggeration.
 
-- 
eric
Live fast, die only if strictly necessary.

Sn!pe wrote:
> John of Aix  wrote:
>
>> So you think he's a soul legend do you? Do you buy the Daily Mail as
>> well, you should, it's full of utterly meaningless tripe like
>> 'legend', 'tragedy' and 'heroic' tacked on to the names of ordinary
>> people and stories about nothing at all.
>
> Can you get the Daily Mail over there in Forn Parts? Lucky old you,
> it sounds to me as though your cup runneth over.

I believe you can but it isn't the sort of thing I'd ever buy, in fact I 
don't think I'd accept it if it was given free, except perhaps to line 
the cat litter box with. Internet is your friend though if you want any 
of these so-called newspapers.

Bing Trotsky wrote:
> In article <48a1c7d9$0$870$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>,
> j.murphy@libertysurf.fr says...
>> Hypodeemic Nerdle wrote:
>>> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:41:57 +0100, snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk
>>> (Sn!pe) wrote this:
>>>
>>>> John of Aix  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Isaac Hayes has snuffed it and the 'newspapers' are full of gunk
>>>>> like 'soul icon', 'soul legend' etc. Oh yeah, I've never heard of
>>>>> anything by him other than 'Shaft'. Soul legend my arse.
>>>>
>>>> TF, Salty Balls.
>>>
>>> Aix, you are ignorant vermin.
>>
>> So you think he's a soul legend do you? Do you buy the Daily Mail as
>> well, you should, it's full of utterly meaningless tripe like
>> 'legend', 'tragedy' and 'heroic' tacked on to the names of ordinary
>> people and stories about nothing at all. Anyway, instead of spewing
>> bile do tell me what makes this basically one hit wonder a 'soul
>> legend'.
>>
>
> "One hit wonder"? You must be joking. He wrote "Soul Man" and "Hold On
> I'm Comin'" for Sam and Dave, as well as producing and playing on a
> load of other Stax classics. He had 9 top 40 albums and 8 top 40
> singles in his own right, and a career that lasted nigh on 40 years.

That doesn't make him a soul legend in my book. The Spice girls had 
loads of hits, and not just 'in the top 40', does that make them pop 
legends?

> "Shaft" didn't appear out of nowhere. It was a breakthrough after
> years of innovation based on the original Stax sound, but adding lush
> orchestration and more jazz and gospel influences. It influenced an
> awful lot of what happened in soul music afterwards.

Shaft was utter crap IMO. It wasn't even soul, just pop.

> He even
> influenced the house music scene. Maybe not the biggest selling
> recording artist in the history of soul, but definitely somebody who
> was a major influence in more than one genre of music.

He was an influence I agree though not major. Plenty of other artists 
have done as much ormiore, if we start calling all of the 'legends' 
we'llnever get out of the wood. James Brown yes, Otis Redding yes etc, 
Isaac Hayes, no, just a reasonable artist, nothing more.
>
> I don't think describing him as a "soul legend" is exaggeration.

I most definitely do but I've said that already haven't I?

"John of Aix"  wrote in message 
news:48a0623b$0$871$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr...
> Isaac Hayes has snuffed it and the 'newspapers' are full of gunk like 
> 'soul icon', 'soul legend' etc. Oh yeah, I've never heard of anything by 
> him other than 'Shaft'. Soul legend my arse.
>
The only good nigger's a dead nigger. 


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On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:57:23 +0200, "John of Aix"
 wrote:

>> "One hit wonder"? You must be joking. He wrote "Soul Man" and "Hold On
>> I'm Comin'" for Sam and Dave, as well as producing and playing on a
>> load of other Stax classics. He had 9 top 40 albums and 8 top 40
>> singles in his own right, and a career that lasted nigh on 40 years.
>
>That doesn't make him a soul legend in my book. The Spice girls had 
>loads of hits, and not just 'in the top 40', does that make them pop 
>legends?

Erm, yes.  In fact, you can put the Spice Girls fairly firmly into the
category of pop legend - not in their recent incarnation, but what
they did during the years 96 - 2001 (do I get the dates right?) was of
The Moment. 

It might not be *your* moment, but it was The Moment for plenty of
people. 'Wannabe' will forever define a certain magic to people of a
certain age, ironically or not, and the Spice Girls had plenty of
other legend making stuff going on with them  - legendary rows, feuds
with managers, pop-as-common-culture associations, and percieved
originality.

Oxford comma wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:57:23 +0200, "John of Aix"
>  wrote:
>
>>> "One hit wonder"? You must be joking. He wrote "Soul Man" and "Hold
>>> On I'm Comin'" for Sam and Dave, as well as producing and playing
>>> on a load of other Stax classics. He had 9 top 40 albums and 8 top
>>> 40 singles in his own right, and a career that lasted nigh on 40
>>> years.
>>
>> That doesn't make him a soul legend in my book. The Spice girls had
>> loads of hits, and not just 'in the top 40', does that make them pop
>> legends?
>
> Erm, yes.  In fact, you can put the Spice Girls fairly firmly into the
> category of pop legend - not in their recent incarnation, but what
> they did during the years 96 - 2001 (do I get the dates right?) was of
> The Moment.

Hmm, if we're going to bring the word 'legend' to mean anyone who has a 
lot or a few hits then we really aren't out of the wood. Would you 
consider the Bachelors to be pop legends? Cilla Black? The Monkeys? All 
far more successful than Isaac Hayes. That's what I'm complaining about 
really. A few hits does not make someone a legend in my book.

> It might not be *your* moment, but it was The Moment for plenty of
> people. 'Wannabe' will forever define a certain magic to people of a
> certain age, ironically or not, and the Spice Girls had plenty of
> other legend making stuff going on with them  - legendary rows, feuds
> with managers, pop-as-common-culture associations, and percieved
> originality.

Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
brought nothing original to pop music.

"John of Aix"  wrote

> Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
> wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
> brought nothing original to pop music.

Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.

Christ, you are a wanker sometimes.


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One foot on the platform wrote:
> "John of Aix"  wrote
>> Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
>> wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
>> brought nothing original to pop music.
> Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.

Wasn't that Bananarama?

-- 
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www.cheesesoup.myby.co.uk

"soup"  wrote in message 
news:trCok.41966$E41.37055@text.news.virginmedia.com...

>>> Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
>>> wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
>>> brought nothing original to pop music.

>> Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.
>
> Wasn't that Bananarama?

No. Bananarama were a Trio - not too far removed from the Three Degrees or 
The Beverly Sisters.

The Spice Girls were all individuals, but collectively a Band.


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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:17:29 +0200, "John of Aix"
 wrote:

>Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
>wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
>brought nothing original to pop music.

No, it's not bollocks.  If anything, as the years go by, they are
being reassessed by those who dismissed them as a fleeting pop
phenomenon.  Which isn't to say that they weren't a fleeting pop
phenomenon, but a legendary one.

It's a bit like what happened to Abba.

Anyway, I know what I'm talking about and you obviously don't.  You
can listen to me or carry on believing your version.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:44:41 GMT, soup  wrote:

>> Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.
>
>Wasn't that Bananarama?

Actually The Vandellas predated that.  And the other motown lot with
Ross in. And there were a lot of girl band sounds in the fifties.

Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, One foot on the 
platform said:
> 
> "John of Aix"  wrote
> 
> > Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
> > wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
> > brought nothing original to pop music.
> 
> Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.

Ahem

The Beverley Sisters
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"Carlton Miniott"  wrote in message

>> Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.
>
> Ahem
>
> The Beverley Sisters

Read the rest of the thread. And do something about that cough.


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soup  wrote:

> One foot on the platform wrote:
> > "John of Aix"  wrote
> >> Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls
> >> wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who
> >> brought nothing original to pop music.
> > Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.
> 
> Wasn't that Bananarama?

ITYF it was the Andrews Sisters.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:36:20 +0100, "One foot on the platform"
 wrote:

>
>"John of Aix"  wrote
>
>> Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
>> wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
>> brought nothing original to pop music.
>
>Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.
>
>Christ, you are a wanker sometimes.
>
Whatever happened to the Andrews Sisters?
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     Sapere Aude

JAF  wrote:

> >Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.
> >
> >Christ, you are a wanker sometimes.
> >
> Whatever happened to the Andrews Sisters?

Bingo Bango Bongo, they got stuck in the Congo.

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      o------<< [   Shake it to wake it, oh yes.   ] >>------o

Oxford comma wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:17:29 +0200, "John of Aix"
>  wrote:
>
>> Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice
>> Girls wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill
>> girls band who brought nothing original to pop music.
>
> No, it's not bollocks.  If anything, as the years go by, they are
> being reassessed by those who dismissed them as a fleeting pop
> phenomenon.  Which isn't to say that they weren't a fleeting pop
> phenomenon, but a legendary one.
>
> It's a bit like what happened to Abba.

Who happen to have a musical based on their music, something I doubt
the Spice Girls will ever have.

> Anyway, I know what I'm talking about and you obviously don't.  You
> can listen to me or carry on believing your version.

What do you mean  "I know what I'm talking about'? What a presumptious
prick that makes you. You have an opinion, nothing more, it is no more
valid than the opinion of anyone else and so far you haven't said
anything to give it value.

Really, some people...

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:53:25 +0100, Oxford comma
<malone@invalid.really.invalid.invalid> wrote this:

>Anyway, I know what I'm talking about and you obviously don't.

Thank you, & Flat Eric, for your injections of clue.





-- 
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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:36:46 +0200, "John of Aix"
 wrote:

>> Anyway, I know what I'm talking about and you obviously don't.  You
>> can listen to me or carry on believing your version.
>
>What do you mean  "I know what I'm talking about'? What a presumptious
>prick that makes you. You have an opinion, nothing more, it is no more
>valid than the opinion of anyone else and so far you haven't said
>anything to give it value.

Because I know what I am talking about.  You can choose to ignore my
opinion ... oh, you have.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:36:46 +0200, "John of Aix" 
wrote:

>Who happen to have a musical based on their music, something I doubt
>the Spice Girls will ever have.

Sound and fury signifying nothing.
-- 
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     Sapere Aude

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:48:53 +0100, One foot on the platform wrote:

>
>"soup"  wrote in message 
>news:trCok.41966$E41.37055@text.news.virginmedia.com...
>
>>>> Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
>>>> wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
>>>> brought nothing original to pop music.
>
>>> Apart from being *the* original Girl Band.
>>
>> Wasn't that Bananarama?
>
>No. Bananarama were a Trio - not too far removed from the Three Degrees or 
>The Beverly Sisters.
>
>The Spice Girls were all individuals, but collectively a Band.

Really?  How many instruments do they play?

Choral group.  Very small choir.

-- 

Peter

I'm an alien
email: home at peteward dot gotadsl dot co dot uk
It's so hard having a big vocabulary.
- Dana Carpender

Oxford comma wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:36:46 +0200, "John of Aix"
>  wrote:
>
>>> Anyway, I know what I'm talking about and you obviously don't.  You
>>> can listen to me or carry on believing your version.
>>
>> What do you mean  "I know what I'm talking about'? What a
>> presumptious prick that makes you. You have an opinion, nothing
>> more, it is no more valid than the opinion of anyone else and so far
>> you haven't said anything to give it value.
>
> Because I know what I am talking about.  You can choose to ignore my
> opinion ... oh, you have.

Same old bollocks. 'I know what I'm talking about'. Isaac Hayes career 
is public, everyone knows it. Who the fuck are you to talk like almighty 
god saying 'I know better than everyone else'? You really are a fucking 
prick mate, so piss off with your claptrap. If you can't give some 
reasons for your opinion and your fatuous claims then shut the fuck up, 
just saying 'I know best' doesn't cut the mustard.

Jesus how do you get to be so fucking thick?

Hypodeemic Nerdle wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:53:25 +0100, Oxford comma
> <malone@invalid.really.invalid.invalid> wrote this:
>
>> Anyway, I know what I'm talking about and you obviously don't.
>
> Thank you, & Flat Eric, for your injections of clue.

You reckon 'clue' is just saying 'I know best"? You're are daft as he 
is.

On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:53:25 +0100, Oxford comma wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:17:29 +0200, "John of Aix"
>  wrote:
> 
>>Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
>>wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
>>brought nothing original to pop music.
> 
> No, it's not bollocks.  If anything, as the years go by, they are
> being reassessed by those who dismissed them as a fleeting pop
> phenomenon.  Which isn't to say that they weren't a fleeting pop
> phenomenon, but a legendary one.
> 
> It's a bit like what happened to Abba.

Right.  So which SG wrote the lyrics and which one wrote the tunes?

-- 
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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:28:23 +0200 (CEST), Fevric J Glandules
<fevric@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>Right.  So which SG wrote the lyrics and which one wrote the tunes?
>

Mel C has had something like 17 number ones, as performer and/or writer.
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     Sapere Aude

Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Fevric J Glandules 
said:
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:53:25 +0100, Oxford comma wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:17:29 +0200, "John of Aix"
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >>Still bollocks, in a few years time (or perhaps already) the Spice Girls 
> >>wil be seen for exactly what they were, a run of the mill girls band who 
> >>brought nothing original to pop music.
> > 
> > No, it's not bollocks.  If anything, as the years go by, they are
> > being reassessed by those who dismissed them as a fleeting pop
> > phenomenon.  Which isn't to say that they weren't a fleeting pop
> > phenomenon, but a legendary one.
> > 
> > It's a bit like what happened to Abba.
> 
> Right.  So which SG wrote the lyrics and which one wrote the tunes?
> 
> 
A very modern criterion, in a way. 
Did Julie London? Dusty? Billie Holiday? etc

Really, one needs to consider the whole team, not just the guys in the 
limelight. Eg Lewis Hamilton is great, yeh, but he's great as part of 
McLaren. A lot of comparative analysis is required to show he really is 
great anyway (he is). 
Who did write for tSG? Was it SAW? Now they achieved enough to deserve a 
place in pop history, though possibly not a massive one. I'm not so sure 
about the actual grrlz. Perhaps looking at what they've done since would 
be the thing to do. I don't really rate the GirlPower thang - not much 
/real/ feminism about it that I could discern, and may have given a 
boost to the growing ladette culture which is not really especially 
wonderful.

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:28:23 +0200 (CEST), Fevric J Glandules
<fevric@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>> It's a bit like what happened to Abba.
>
>Right.  So which SG wrote the lyrics and which one wrote the tunes?

Ha.

Carlton Miniott  writes:

> Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Fevric J Glandules 
> said:
>> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:53:25 +0100, Oxford comma wrote:
>>  
>> > It's a bit like what happened to Abba.
>> 
>> Right.  So which SG wrote the lyrics and which one wrote the tunes?
> 
> A very modern criterion, in a way. 
> Did Julie London? Dusty? Billie Holiday? etc

But then they were all performing artists first, and recording artists
second. Different days, indeed.

-- 
you're not paid to play fast, you're paid to hear fast

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:02:29 +0100, Carlton Miniott wrote:

>> > It's a bit like what happened to Abba.
>> 
>> Right.  So which SG wrote the lyrics and which one wrote the tunes?
>
> A very modern criterion, in a way. 

Troo.  And if the industry were more honest I think we'd discover
that a lot of "original" songwriters are getting considerable 
amounts of help from professional tunesmiths.  Just a hunch on 
my part.

But the point remains that Abba are acclaimed because they wrote some
top-notch pop tunes.

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Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:02:29 +0100, Carlton Miniott wrote:
>
>>> > It's a bit like what happened to Abba.
>>> 
>>> Right.  So which SG wrote the lyrics and which one wrote the tunes?
>>
>> A very modern criterion, in a way. 
>
> Troo.  And if the industry were more honest I think we'd discover
> that a lot of "original" songwriters are getting considerable 
> amounts of help from professional tunesmiths.  Just a hunch on 
> my part.

Aye, but the names in brackets beside the song title have always been
slightly tenuous, right back to the 50s, and the crooners. How many of
Sintra's songs did he actually write? Not many, but he's got a second or
third credit on most. Hell, sometimes the manager was on there as well.

> But the point remains that Abba are acclaimed because they wrote some
> top-notch pop tunes.

And they performed them pretty well, too (in a 70s sort of way).

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