I don't care what the buggers say Valium or Diazepam is a good drug.  I 
had hit the drink hard a few years ago now and damn glad I was to have 
some when I came off it.  A most pleasant feeling but the only problem 
one could get to enjoy taking them.

Easy enough to buy on the street as well.

-- 
Count Baldoni

"Baldoni"  wrote in message 
news:6g0hehFcrjjqU1@mid.individual.net...
>I don't care what the buggers say Valium or Diazepam is a good drug.  I had 
>hit the drink hard a few years ago now and damn glad I was to have some 
>when I came off it.  A most pleasant feeling but the only problem one could 
>get to enjoy taking them.
> Easy enough to buy on the street as well.
> Count Baldoni
>
>
Pharmaceutical grade Morphine is much better, it's estimated up to 5%
of NHS Doctors and Nurses are users.

Steve Terry

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:08:00 +0100, Baldoni wrote:

> I don't care what the buggers say Valium or Diazepam is a good drug.  I 
> had hit the drink hard a few years ago now and damn glad I was to have 
> some when I came off it.  A most pleasant feeling but the only problem 
> one could get to enjoy taking them.
> 
> Easy enough to buy on the street as well.

Yup - I've been on valium some time ago, after a particularly painfull
operation. Ditto Morphine - lovely stuff.

These days for booze withdrawal you get librium, and LARGE vitamin
injections into the buttocks. Hurt like fuck. Problem is you can't take
librium until your alcohol level is low enough, so you have to go through
the DTs for a long time (18 hours IIRC, which thankfully I can't, because
the DTs are NOT NICE). Then it was an anti-vomiting injection, then half an
hour later a lot of librium. It sorted me out in a couple of hours, apart
from the hallucinations (visual and auditory). And I'll be doing it again
soon. What fun. Just hope that it sticks this time.


-- 
In Los Angeles, it's like they jog for two hours a day and then
they think they're morally right. That's when you want to choke
people, you know?

Hot Badger Deluxe was thinking very hard :
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:08:00 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>
>> I don't care what the buggers say Valium or Diazepam is a good drug.  I 
>> had hit the drink hard a few years ago now and damn glad I was to have 
>> some when I came off it.  A most pleasant feeling but the only problem 
>> one could get to enjoy taking them.
>> 
>> Easy enough to buy on the street as well.
>
> Yup - I've been on valium some time ago, after a particularly painfull
> operation. Ditto Morphine - lovely stuff.
>
> These days for booze withdrawal you get librium, and LARGE vitamin
> injections into the buttocks. Hurt like fuck. Problem is you can't take
> librium until your alcohol level is low enough, so you have to go through
> the DTs for a long time (18 hours IIRC, which thankfully I can't, because
> the DTs are NOT NICE). Then it was an anti-vomiting injection, then half an
> hour later a lot of librium. It sorted me out in a couple of hours, apart
> from the hallucinations (visual and auditory). And I'll be doing it again
> soon. What fun. Just hope that it sticks this time.

Damn goblins pointing at me freaked me out.  As I recovered the 
pointing started to stop.  A good deterrent in itself.

-- 
Count Baldoni

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:02:45 +0100, Baldoni wrote:

<snip - detox>

> Damn goblins pointing at me freaked me out.  As I recovered the 
> pointing started to stop.  A good deterrent in itself.

It is really weird when you know that you are seeing things - the TV was
off, but I could see very high speed cartoons. It was hearing things that
was bizarre - loud moaning, and the sound of wood on wood. It changes one's
perspective on the world. Perception is filtered in the brain. In the DTs
things are added. But what if things are removed... Things that don't fit.
Timothy Leary's idea of a Reality Tunnel suddenly seems to make more
sense...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_tunnel


-- 
Police find ecstasy in mans Y-fronts.

On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:48:55 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:02:45 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>
><snip - detox>
>
>> Damn goblins pointing at me freaked me out.  As I recovered the 
>> pointing started to stop.  A good deterrent in itself.
>
>It is really weird when you know that you are seeing things - the TV was
>off, but I could see very high speed cartoons. It was hearing things that
>was bizarre - loud moaning, and the sound of wood on wood. It changes one's
>perspective on the world. Perception is filtered in the brain. In the DTs
>things are added. But what if things are removed... Things that don't fit.
>Timothy Leary's idea of a Reality Tunnel suddenly seems to make more
>sense...
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_tunnel

This bit -
"It is believed that through various techniques one can break down old
reality tunnels and impose new reality tunnels by removing old filters and
replacing them with new ones, new perspectives on reality - at will."
 - pretty much negates the whole concept.
-- 
JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
     Sapere Aude

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:58:46 +0100, JAF wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:48:55 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>  wrote:
> 
>>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:02:45 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>>
>><snip - detox>
>>
>>> Damn goblins pointing at me freaked me out.  As I recovered the 
>>> pointing started to stop.  A good deterrent in itself.
>>
>>It is really weird when you know that you are seeing things - the TV was
>>off, but I could see very high speed cartoons. It was hearing things that
>>was bizarre - loud moaning, and the sound of wood on wood. It changes one's
>>perspective on the world. Perception is filtered in the brain. In the DTs
>>things are added. But what if things are removed... Things that don't fit.
>>Timothy Leary's idea of a Reality Tunnel suddenly seems to make more
>>sense...
>>
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_tunnel
> 
> This bit -
> "It is believed that through various techniques one can break down old
> reality tunnels and impose new reality tunnels by removing old filters and
> replacing them with new ones, new perspectives on reality - at will."
>  - pretty much negates the whole concept.

Why?


-- 
Turned out nice again.

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:02:45 +0100, Baldoni 
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> Hot Badger Deluxe was thinking very hard :
>> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:08:00 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>>
>>> I don't care what the buggers say Valium or Diazepam is a good drug.  I 
>>> had hit the drink hard a few years ago now and damn glad I was to have 
>>> some when I came off it.  A most pleasant feeling but the only problem 
>>> one could get to enjoy taking them.
>>> 
>>> Easy enough to buy on the street as well.
>>
>> Yup - I've been on valium some time ago, after a particularly painfull
>> operation. Ditto Morphine - lovely stuff.
>>
>> These days for booze withdrawal you get librium, and LARGE vitamin
>> injections into the buttocks. Hurt like fuck. Problem is you can't take
>> librium until your alcohol level is low enough, so you have to go through
>> the DTs for a long time (18 hours IIRC, which thankfully I can't, because
>> the DTs are NOT NICE). Then it was an anti-vomiting injection, then half an
>> hour later a lot of librium. It sorted me out in a couple of hours, apart
>> from the hallucinations (visual and auditory). And I'll be doing it again
>> soon. What fun. Just hope that it sticks this time.
>
> Damn goblins pointing at me freaked me out.  As I recovered the 
> pointing started to stop.  A good deterrent in itself.

When I dislocated my shoulder a few weeks ago they gave me nitrous oxide.
Unfortunately the cylinder wasn't working properly so I was just breathing
in air. Thankfully they noticed before they reset my arm. They also had to
give me a double dose of profodol because even when I was fully relaxed it
was too strong for them. Personally I couldn't feel anything and all I cared
about was getting it back where it should be.

mh.
-- 
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http://personal.nukesoft.co.uk

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:19:44 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:58:46 +0100, JAF wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:48:55 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>>On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:02:45 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>>>
>>><snip - detox>
>>>
>>>> Damn goblins pointing at me freaked me out.  As I recovered the 
>>>> pointing started to stop.  A good deterrent in itself.
>>>
>>>It is really weird when you know that you are seeing things - the TV was
>>>off, but I could see very high speed cartoons. It was hearing things that
>>>was bizarre - loud moaning, and the sound of wood on wood. It changes one's
>>>perspective on the world. Perception is filtered in the brain. In the DTs
>>>things are added. But what if things are removed... Things that don't fit.
>>>Timothy Leary's idea of a Reality Tunnel suddenly seems to make more
>>>sense...
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_tunnel
>> 
>> This bit -
>> "It is believed that through various techniques one can break down old
>> reality tunnels and impose new reality tunnels by removing old filters and
>> replacing them with new ones, new perspectives on reality - at will."
>>  - pretty much negates the whole concept.
>
>Why?

It more or less says "You can't help the way you see the world, except, you
can."

-- 
JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
     Sapere Aude

On 7 Aug 2008 20:42:08 GMT, Marcus Houlden  wrote:

>When I dislocated my shoulder a few weeks ago they gave me nitrous oxide.

When my liver exploded, about seven years ago, I had nitrous oxide, all the
way from Scunny to Hull, and about half an hour after.  I was high as a
kite, and thoroughly enjoyed it, but I had a hell of a sore throat for days
afterwards.
-- 
JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
     Sapere Aude

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:06:15 +0100, JAF wrote:

<snip - reality tunnel>

> It more or less says "You can't help the way you see the world, except, you
> can."

I don't see the first point there. By default you develop a reality tunnel,
but, after understanding this, you can change it. Most people don't even
conceive that this could be happening, and therefore can't change it.

One suggestion from Chaos Magick has some relation to this. Change
something small in your life. It doesn't matter what it is. The order in
which you put your socks on, for example. Slowly your life will change.
Chaos Magick is the antithesis of Zen Buddhism. Chaos Magick is entirely
about belief - you pick a method that you like for any particular task -
and believe in it. It can be Wicca, or Harry Potter, it doesn't matter -
all that matters is belief. Zen Buddhism doesn't require belief - it
doesn't matter if Buddha existed, you just follow the philosophy. I do
both.


-- 
The reward for conformity was that everyone liked you except 
yourself.

On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:08:35 +0100, JAF 
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> On 7 Aug 2008 20:42:08 GMT, Marcus Houlden  wrote:
>
>>When I dislocated my shoulder a few weeks ago they gave me nitrous oxide.
>
> When my liver exploded, about seven years ago, I had nitrous oxide, all the
> way from Scunny to Hull, and about half an hour after.  I was high as a
> kite, and thoroughly enjoyed it, but I had a hell of a sore throat for days
> afterwards.

When I was waiting for an x ray there was someone who was using so much that
they had to stop her for a few minutes before she went in.

3 weeks since my bike accident and all I want to do is get rid of this sling
and straighten my arm properly. 6 more days to go...

mh.
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http://personal.nukesoft.co.uk

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On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:46:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>all that matters is belief.

That's where it all falls down.
“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” -Benjamin
Franklin.
-- 
JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
     Sapere Aude

On 7 Aug 2008 23:32:48 GMT, Marcus Houlden  wrote:

>3 weeks since my bike accident and all I want to do is get rid of this sling
>and straighten my arm properly. 6 more days to go...

Don't force it.  Be patient, it's the safest way in the long run.
-- 
JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
     Sapere Aude

On 2008-08-08, JAF  wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:46:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
> wrote:
>
>>all that matters is belief.
>
> That's where it all falls down.
> “Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” -Benjamin
> Franklin.

Damn, I thought that was Lou Reed.

-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]

Hot Badger Deluxe presented the following explanation :
> On Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:02:45 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>
> <snip - detox>
>
>> Damn goblins pointing at me freaked me out.  As I recovered the 
>> pointing started to stop.  A good deterrent in itself.
>
> It is really weird when you know that you are seeing things - the TV was
> off, but I could see very high speed cartoons. It was hearing things that
> was bizarre - loud moaning, and the sound of wood on wood. It changes one's
> perspective on the world. Perception is filtered in the brain. In the DTs
> things are added. But what if things are removed... Things that don't fit.
> Timothy Leary's idea of a Reality Tunnel suddenly seems to make more
> sense...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_tunnel

An interesting read.

-- 
Count Baldoni

On 8 Aug 2008 08:57:09 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

>On 2008-08-08, JAF  wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:46:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>> wrote:
>>
>>>all that matters is belief.
>>
>> That's where it all falls down.
>> “Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” -Benjamin
>> Franklin.
>
>Damn, I thought that was Lou Reed.


"I wish I'd said that!"

"You will, Lou, you will."
-- 
JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
     Sapere Aude

On 2008-08-08, JAF  wrote:
> On 8 Aug 2008 08:57:09 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On 2008-08-08, JAF  wrote:
>>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:46:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>all that matters is belief.
>>>
>>> That's where it all falls down.
>>> “Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” -Benjamin
>>> Franklin.
>>
>>Damn, I thought that was Lou Reed.
>
>
> "I wish I'd said that!"
>
> "You will, Lou, you will."

Now that was Churchill, right?

-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]

Huge used his keyboard to write :
> On 2008-08-08, JAF  wrote:
>> On 8 Aug 2008 08:57:09 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2008-08-08, JAF  wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:46:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> all that matters is belief.
>>>> 
>>>> That's where it all falls down.
>>>> “Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.” -Benjamin
>>>> Franklin.
>>> 
>>> Damn, I thought that was Lou Reed.
>> 
>> 
>> "I wish I'd said that!"
>> 
>> "You will, Lou, you will."
>
> Now that was Churchill, right?

Bud Abbott I think.

-- 
Count Baldoni

In article , 
anarchSPAMKILLER@ntlworld.com says...
> On 7 Aug 2008 20:42:08 GMT, Marcus Houlden  wrote:
> 
> >When I dislocated my shoulder a few weeks ago they gave me nitrous oxide.
> 
> When my liver exploded, about seven years ago, I had nitrous oxide, all the
> way from Scunny to Hull, and about half an hour after.  I was high as a
> kite, and thoroughly enjoyed it, but I had a hell of a sore throat for days
> afterwards.

I was high for about three days after YB was born, thanks to the entonox 
I hyperventilated for about 3 hours. Fabulous stuff.

Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, JAF said:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:46:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>  wrote:
> 
> >all that matters is belief.
> 
> That's where it all falls down.

Not really. Everybody believes something. That they're a human being, 
that the earth orbits the sun, that Pepsi Max is better than Coke, etc 
etc. Chaos Magic is working with those kinds of beliefs, not just the 
God stuff.

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On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:51:25 +0100, Carlton Miniott 
wrote:

>Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, JAF said:
>> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:46:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> >all that matters is belief.
>> 
>> That's where it all falls down.
>
>Not really. Everybody believes something. That they're a human being, 
>that the earth orbits the sun, that Pepsi Max is better than Coke, etc 
>etc. 

For all of which they can provide evidence (though the evidence re Coke and
Pepsi may be questionable).

>Chaos Magic is working with those kinds of beliefs, not just the 
>God stuff.

It's got the word 'magic' in it, ergo bollockii est.
-- 
JAF anarchatntlworldfullstopcom
     Sapere Aude

Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, JAF said:
> On Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:51:25 +0100, Carlton Miniott 
> wrote:
> 
> >Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, JAF said:
> >> On Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:46:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> >all that matters is belief.
> >> 
> >> That's where it all falls down.
> >
> >Not really. Everybody believes something. That they're a human being, 
> >that the earth orbits the sun, that Pepsi Max is better than Coke, etc 
> >etc. 
> 
> For all of which they can provide evidence 

Evidence, or the lack thereof, is irrelevant for the purposes of CM.
Belief is a psychological construct that can be utilised: that's all 
that matters.

> It's got the word 'magic' in it, ergo bollockii est.

Yeh, but that's not the point.
> 

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