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date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0100,    group: uk.misc        back       
Bacon   
Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to 
bacon.

-- 
Count Baldoni
date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0100   author:   Baldoni

Re: Bacon   
Baldoni wrote:
> Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to
> bacon.

The last time I saw bacon a few months ago I fried it. After a minuteor 
so I found myself with a panful of what looked supiciously like sperm 
and ended up with about half the bacon I put in. In other words IAWTP. 
What is Gordon Brown doing about it?
date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:45:09 +0200   author:   John of Aix

Re: Bacon   
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0100, Baldoni wrote:

> Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to 
> bacon.

Luckily there's a Waitrose in Southsea, so I can get very good bacon. I
made the mistake of some from the Co-Op round the corner once  - lots of
water.


-- 
You've made your bed
and now you must eat it
date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:38:44 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Bacon   
It happens that Hot Badger Deluxe formulated :
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>
>> Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to 
>> bacon.
>
> Luckily there's a Waitrose in Southsea, so I can get very good bacon. I
> made the mistake of some from the Co-Op round the corner once  - lots of
> water.

I will get it from the butcher from now on.

-- 
Count Baldoni
date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:44:37 +0100   author:   Baldoni

Re: Bacon   
And Baldoni  was like:

> I will get it from the butcher from now on.

TMI.

-- 
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| Do not touch happy fun gnooby
date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:08:49 +0100   author:   Patrick Hardlentil

Re: Bacon   
Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:

> Luckily there's a Waitrose in Southsea, so I can get very good bacon. I
> made the mistake of some from the Co-Op round the corner once  - lots of
> wader.

You can't beat a good slice of pig-bum.

-- 
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date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:36:28 +0100   author:   (Sn!pe)

Re: Bacon   
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0100, Baldoni 
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to 
> bacon.


I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
joints to sort out.

mh.
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date: 25 Jul 2008 23:08:16 GMT   author:   Marcus Houlden

Re: Bacon   
Marcus Houlden  wrote:

> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
> I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
> the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
> unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
> weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
> green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
> deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
> joints to sort out.

My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
you'd never drinik beer either.

-- 
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date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:14:47 +0100   author:   (Sn!pe)

Re: Bacon   
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:14:47 +0100, Sn!pe 
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> Marcus Houlden  wrote:
>
>> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
>> I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
>> the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
>> unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
>> weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
>> green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
>> deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
>> joints to sort out.
>
> My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
> you'd never drinik beer either.

I also worked in a tampon packing plant and the "wet end" of a shoe
factory, both in the same week. I'm sure the point of student jobs is to
remind people why they need to get their degrees.

mh.
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date: 25 Jul 2008 23:20:05 GMT   author:   Marcus Houlden

Re: Bacon   
And snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) was like:

> Marcus Houlden  wrote:
>
>> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer
>> job) and I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the
>> bits that fall on the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what
>> I did involved taking unsliced bacon joints out of the box and
>> putting them on metal shelves for weighing, so I got to see how
>> nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and green bits were
>> particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to deal with
>> was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
>> joints to sort out.
>
> My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, you'd
> never drinik beer either.

I demur. I worked for a long time on a pig-processing plant in
Denmark. Far from putting me off, it made me adore pork products. Most
of the fat ends up caked round the door-handles and bog-flushes, you
know, so the finished salami must be the leanest of lean.

-- 
| Patrick Hardlentil -  patrick@dogslobber.demon.co.uk
| Like death in a top hat
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:53:32 +0100   author:   Patrick Hardlentil

Re: Bacon   
On 2008-07-25, Sn!pe  wrote:
> Marcus Houlden  wrote:
>
>> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
>> I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
>> the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
>> unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
>> weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
>> green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
>> deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
>> joints to sort out.
>
> My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
> you'd never drinik beer either.

I've worked in an abbatoir and a cigarette factory. Neither very pleasant
places, and you'd certainly give up smoking after seeing the latter. How much
cockroach do you want in your tobacco, exactly?


-- 
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                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
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date: 26 Jul 2008 08:21:13 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: Bacon   
On 2008-07-25, Marcus Houlden  wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:14:47 +0100, Sn!pe 
> wrote the following to uk.misc:
>
>> Marcus Houlden  wrote:
>>
>>> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
>>> I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
>>> the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
>>> unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
>>> weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
>>> green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
>>> deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
>>> joints to sort out.
>>
>> My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
>> you'd never drinik beer either.
>
> I also worked in a tampon packing plant and the "wet end" of a shoe
> factory, both in the same week. I'm sure the point of student jobs is to
> remind people why they need to get their degrees.

LOL

Good point, and one that had never occured to me before.


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                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
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date: 26 Jul 2008 08:21:38 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: Bacon   
On 2008-07-25, Patrick Hardlentil  wrote:
>
> And snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe) was like:
>
>> Marcus Houlden  wrote:
>>
>>> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer
>>> job) and I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the
>>> bits that fall on the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what
>>> I did involved taking unsliced bacon joints out of the box and
>>> putting them on metal shelves for weighing, so I got to see how
>>> nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and green bits were
>>> particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to deal with
>>> was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
>>> joints to sort out.
>>
>> My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, you'd
>> never drinik beer either.
>
> I demur. I worked for a long time on a pig-processing plant in
> Denmark. Far from putting me off, it made me adore pork products. 

My time in the abbatoir didn't put me off meat.


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                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
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date: 26 Jul 2008 08:22:15 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: Bacon   
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> > My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
> > you'd never drinik beer either.
> 
> I've worked in an abbatoir and a cigarette factory. Neither very pleasant
> places, and you'd certainly give up smoking after seeing the latter. How much
> cockroach do you want in your tobacco, exactly?

Is it mentholated?

-- 
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 <:>-[  On the Internet, nobody knows that you're a wading bird. ]-<:>
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:38:18 +0100   author:   (Sn!pe)

Re: Bacon   
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:44:37 +0100, Baldoni wrote:

> It happens that Hot Badger Deluxe formulated :
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>>
>>> Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to 
>>> bacon.
>>
>> Luckily there's a Waitrose in Southsea, so I can get very good bacon. I
>> made the mistake of some from the Co-Op round the corner once  - lots of
>> water.
> 
> I will get it from the butcher from now on.

What you also want is a fan-grill. My cooker (Stoves) has one, and it cooks
bacon very well.


-- 
Everything works by magick; science represents a small domain
of magick where coincidences have a relatively high probability 
of occurrence.
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:42:24 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Bacon   
In article <g6empp$23e$6@anubis.demon.co.uk>, Huge@nowhere.much.invalid 
says...
> On 2008-07-25, Sn!pe  wrote:
> > Marcus Houlden  wrote:
> >
> >> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
> >> I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
> >> the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
> >> unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
> >> weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
> >> green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
> >> deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
> >> joints to sort out.
> >
> > My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
> > you'd never drinik beer either.
> 
> I've worked in an abbatoir and a cigarette factory. Neither very pleasant
> places, and you'd certainly give up smoking after seeing the latter. How much
> cockroach do you want in your tobacco, exactly?
> 

I've worked in the plant where, amongst other things, they make the UK's 
best selling tea bags. I used to sweep the floor and fill the hopper of 
tea to be bagged. That was one single task.

The floor was kept very clean. The tea bag gets placed in boiling water. 
I still drink tea.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 10:46:26 +0100   author:   Bing Trotsky

Re: Bacon   
Marcus Houlden  wrote:

> I'm sure the point of student jobs is to
> remind people why they need to get their degrees.

Oh I agree with that. I worked in a factory making adhesive tape, a
cotton mill, several plastic factories, various cleaning and labouring
jobs. About the only one that I did that I could have worked at for long
was the Parks and Gardens department of the local council where I was
one of a team landscaping a new housing estate.

What did impress me at the time was the number of blokes who worked
full-time in those jobs encouraging me to get a decent degree so that I
wouldn't get stuck in a crap job as they were.
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:03:03 +0100   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: Bacon   
Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Huge said:
> On 2008-07-25, Sn!pe  wrote:
> > Marcus Houlden  wrote:
> >
> >> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
> >> I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
> >> the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
> >> unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
> >> weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
> >> green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
> >> deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
> >> joints to sort out.
> >
> > My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
> > you'd never drinik beer either.
> 
> I've worked in an abbatoir and a cigarette factory. Neither very pleasant
> places, and you'd certainly give up smoking after seeing the latter. How much
> cockroach do you want in your tobacco, exactly?
> 
About 0.5%.
In the days when I used to open up siggies, it was the bits of plastic 
that I found more offputting.
-- 
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date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:22:37 +0100   author:   Carlton Miniott

Re: Bacon   
On 2008-07-26, Sn!pe  wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
>> > you'd never drinik beer either.
>> 
>> I've worked in an abbatoir and a cigarette factory. Neither very pleasant
>> places, and you'd certainly give up smoking after seeing the latter. How much
>> cockroach do you want in your tobacco, exactly?
>
> Is it mentholated?

I imagine so, yes.


-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
date: 26 Jul 2008 12:08:24 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: Bacon   
On 2008-07-26, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> What did impress me at the time was the number of blokes who worked
> full-time in those jobs encouraging me to get a decent degree so that I
> wouldn't get stuck in a crap job as they were.

Same here. I couldn't believe there were people in Wills who had been doing the
same shitty jobs for 20 and 30 years.

Of course, they're all unemployed now.   :o(

-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
date: 26 Jul 2008 12:18:57 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: Bacon   
On 2008-07-26, Carlton Miniott  wrote:
> Costing the net hundreds if not thousands of dollars, Huge said:
>> On 2008-07-25, Sn!pe  wrote:
>> > Marcus Houlden  wrote:
>> >
>> >> I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
>> >> I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
>> >> the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
>> >> unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
>> >> weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
>> >> green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
>> >> deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
>> >> joints to sort out.
>> >
>> > My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
>> > you'd never drinik beer either.
>> 
>> I've worked in an abbatoir and a cigarette factory. Neither very pleasant
>> places, and you'd certainly give up smoking after seeing the latter. How much
>> cockroach do you want in your tobacco, exactly?
>> 
> About 0.5%.
> In the days when I used to open up siggies, it was the bits of plastic 
> that I found more offputting.

Don't smoke Golden Virginia. It's where the floor sweepings go.

-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
date: 26 Jul 2008 12:19:31 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: Bacon   
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:45:09 +0200, "John of Aix"
 wrote:

>Baldoni wrote:
>> Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to
>> bacon.
>
>The last time I saw bacon a few months ago I fried it. After a minuteor 
>so I found myself with a panful of what looked supiciously like sperm 
>and ended up with about half the bacon I put in. In other words IAWTP. 
>What is Gordon Brown doing about it? 
>

When this happens you should take a pic of it and write to the company
who sold you the stuff and the manufacturer. Get your money back.

-- 
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http://www.holidayunder100.co.uk
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:27:32 +0100   author:   mogga

Re: Bacon   
On 26 Jul 2008 12:18:57 GMT, Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

>On 2008-07-26, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> What did impress me at the time was the number of blokes who worked
>> full-time in those jobs encouraging me to get a decent degree so that I
>> wouldn't get stuck in a crap job as they were.
>
>Same here. I couldn't believe there were people in Wills who had been doing the
>same shitty jobs for 20 and 30 years.
>
>Of course, they're all unemployed now.   :o(

Work is for the little people.
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date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:39:24 +0100   author:   unknown

Re: Bacon   
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> 
> Same here. I couldn't believe there were people in Wills who had been
> doing the same shitty jobs for 20 and 30 years.

Was that the one at St George's Hill, just near Sir Cliff's mansion?
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:45:50 +0100   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: Bacon   
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> 
> Don't smoke Golden Virginia. It's where the floor sweepings go.

It won't stop them. I've seen smokers ferreting through the ash trays in
pubs to gather up other old people's cigarette butts which they then
mixed with dried grass which dogs had peed on, in order to make
roll-ups.

It's the same mentality that leads to people mainlining heroin with
someone else's needle.
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:45:50 +0100   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: Bacon   
On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:38:18 +0100, snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk (Sn!pe)
wrote:

>Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > My first job was in a brewery. If you saw what I had seen, 
>> > you'd never drinik beer either.
>> 
>> I've worked in an abbatoir and a cigarette factory. Neither very pleasant
>> places, and you'd certainly give up smoking after seeing the latter. How much
>> cockroach do you want in your tobacco, exactly?
>
>Is it mentholated?

No but by the time you've smoked it it's parst-yeroised.

Derek
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:51:02 +0100   author:   Derek Geldard

Re: Bacon   
On 25 Jul 2008 23:08:16 GMT, Marcus Houlden 
wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:54:01 +0100, Baldoni 
>wrote the following to uk.misc:
>
>> Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to 
>> bacon.
>
>
>I worked in a bacon slicing plant for a short while (student summer job) and
>I'd strongly advise not buying bacon scraps (mostly the bits that fall on
>the floor or stick to the slicer).  Part of what I did involved taking
>unsliced bacon joints out of the box and putting them on metal shelves for
>weighing, so I got to see how nice the unsliced stuff looks. The yellow and
>green bits were particularly pleasant. Thankfully all the stuff I had to
>deal with was wrapped, but they told me they sometimes had unwrapped bacon
>joints to sort out.
>

Uncle had a greencrocers shop Ca 1950 - 1960. He bought whole sides of
bacon and sliced it himself on request. The sides came in 2 kinds
"Smoked" and "Green". Presumably the tars in the smoke preserved the
smoked bacon turning it brown, whereas proper traditional green bacon
turned green mouldy on the surface, a bit like Parma (etc)  ham.

Derek
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:07:26 +0100   author:   Derek Geldard

Re: Bacon   
On 2008-07-26, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
>
>> 
>> Same here. I couldn't believe there were people in Wills who had been
>> doing the same shitty jobs for 20 and 30 years.
>
> Was that the one at St George's Hill, just near Sir Cliff's mansion?

Nope. The one in Bedminster which is now a shopping centre.

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                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
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date: 26 Jul 2008 15:40:29 GMT   author:   Huge lid

Re: Bacon   
Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:

> On 2008-07-26, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:
> > Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> 
> >> Same here. I couldn't believe there were people in Wills who had been
> >> doing the same shitty jobs for 20 and 30 years.
> >
> > Was that the one at St George's Hill, just near Sir Cliff's mansion?
> 
> Nope. The one in Bedminster which is now a shopping centre.

Ah well, they've both gone, and IIRC the ones in Norn' Iron as well.
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:41:30 +0100   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: Bacon   
mogga wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:45:09 +0200, "John of Aix"
>  wrote:
>
>> Baldoni wrote:
>>> Old news I know but the buggers are adding large amounts of water to
>>> bacon.
>>
>> The last time I saw bacon a few months ago I fried it. After a
>> minuteor so I found myself with a panful of what looked supiciously
>> like sperm and ended up with about half the bacon I put in. In other
>> words IAWTP. What is Gordon Brown doing about it?
>>
>
> When this happens you should take a pic of it and write to the company
> who sold you the stuff and the manufacturer. Get your money back.

Well as bacon only appears out here in Poonah if some mad English 
visitor decides to bring it down in a cold box, taking it back to 
Tesco's is somewhat complicated which is a shame as I like to cause 
consumer kerfuffles over crap goods or service. I'd take the frying pan 
and contents to the shop personally. But the photo is a good idea.
date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 19:56:09 +0200   author:   John of Aix

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