Have spent literally hours rebooting this machine trying to work out
why the Gnome desktop would take minutes to get going, and fail to
sort out the audio whilst doing so.  This used to be an intermittent
problem, and rebooting with fingers crossed used to work.  Of course
I don't reboot that often, so it's not been such a pain, until now.

Finally sorted by booting without the PCMCIA networking card inserted,
then pushing it in once the desktop's up.

WTF's that all about?  Has Gnu/Linux jumped the shark?  Can I have a 
reliable OS and desktop that don't suffer from insane dependencies 
and race conditions?  Is Gnome trying to ape the world of Windows by
making everything a homogeneous mess?  Does *BSD have any sort of 
support for laptops?  Is KDE any better?

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On 2008-06-28, Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> Is Gnome trying to ape the world of Windows by
> making everything a homogeneous mess? 

I fear so.

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:36:44 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:

> Have spent literally hours rebooting this machine trying to work out
> why the Gnome desktop would take minutes to get going, and fail to
> sort out the audio whilst doing so.  This used to be an intermittent
> problem, and rebooting with fingers crossed used to work.  Of course
> I don't reboot that often, so it's not been such a pain, until now.
> 
> Finally sorted by booting without the PCMCIA networking card inserted,
> then pushing it in once the desktop's up.
> 
> WTF's that all about?  Has Gnu/Linux jumped the shark?  Can I have a 
> reliable OS and desktop that don't suffer from insane dependencies 
> and race conditions?  Is Gnome trying to ape the world of Windows by
> making everything a homogeneous mess?  Does *BSD have any sort of 
> support for laptops?  Is KDE any better?

I prefer KDE to Gnome, but find that Fluxbox is better than either.


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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:03:07 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but find that Fluxbox is better than either.

Trying to remember if I've tried that.  Used to use IceWm.

Most of the alternatives seem to imply lots of time setting 
them up.

Oh, and booting without the network card in seemed to be fluke.

But booting undocked from the docking station and then re-docked
seems to help the chicken entrails align in the right way.

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Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:

> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:36:44 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:
>
>> Have spent literally hours rebooting this machine trying to work out
>> why the Gnome desktop would take minutes to get going, and fail to
>> sort out the audio whilst doing so.  This used to be an intermittent
>> problem, and rebooting with fingers crossed used to work.  Of course
>> I don't reboot that often, so it's not been such a pain, until now.
>> 
>> Finally sorted by booting without the PCMCIA networking card inserted,
>> then pushing it in once the desktop's up.
>> 
>> WTF's that all about?  Has Gnu/Linux jumped the shark?  Can I have a 
>> reliable OS and desktop that don't suffer from insane dependencies 
>> and race conditions?  Is Gnome trying to ape the world of Windows by
>> making everything a homogeneous mess?  Does *BSD have any sort of 
>> support for laptops?  Is KDE any better?
>
> I prefer KDE to Gnome, but find that Fluxbox is better than either.

Xfce, here; as it also allows use of gnome & kde apps easily.

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:00:32 +0100, August West wrote:

> Xfce, here; as it also allows use of gnome & kde apps easily.

Didn't like it much.

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Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 14:00:32 +0100, August West wrote:
>
>> Xfce, here; as it also allows use of gnome & kde apps easily.
>
> Didn't like it much.

Why not?  On small machines, and winblows boxes, where I don't
need/don't want/can't run Gnome &U KDE apps, I still use fvwm.

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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 12:26:09 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:

<snip>

Here's my default Fluxbox screen:

http://badjazz.org/pics/screenshot.png


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August West  writes:

> Why not?  On small machines, and winblows boxes, where I don't
> need/don't want/can't run Gnome &U KDE apps, I still use fvwm.

I use fvwm just about everywhere.

Matthew

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Matthew Vernon  writes:

> August West  writes:
>
>> Why not?  On small machines, and winblows boxes, where I don't
>> need/don't want/can't run Gnome &U KDE apps, I still use fvwm.
>
> I use fvwm just about everywhere.

Many years ago, in a different life, I wrote parts of fvwm.

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August West  wrote:

> Many years ago, in a different life, I wrote parts of fvwm.

The list of reasons for burning you is getting longer you know.

In article ,
August West   wrote:
>Many years ago, in a different life, I wrote parts of fvwm.

You weren't Richard Caley, were you?

Oh, that was tvtwm.

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On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:06:02 +0100, I waved a wand and this message
magically appears in front of August West:

> > I use fvwm just about everywhere.
> 
> Many years ago, in a different life, I wrote parts of fvwm.

4 out of 6 FVWM developers own cats. Fascinating.
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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:48:12 +0100, Alex Buell
 wrote this:

>4 out of 6 FVWM developers own cats. Fascinating.

I read that as "4 out of 6 FVWM developers are cats" and boggled.





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On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 07:42:18 +0100, Hypodeemic Nerdle wrote:

> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 21:48:12 +0100, Alex Buell
>  wrote this:
> 
>>4 out of 6 FVWM developers own cats. Fascinating.
> 
> I read that as "4 out of 6 FVWM developers are cats" and boggled.

I actually haven't read either of these posts.


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"Hot Badger Deluxe"  wrote

>>>4 out of 6 FVWM developers own cats. Fascinating.
>>
>> I read that as "4 out of 6 FVWM developers are cats" and boggled.
>
> I actually haven't read either of these posts.

Neither have I, yet - I'm still asleep.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:35:25 +0100, Number Two wrote:

> "Hot Badger Deluxe"  wrote
> 
>>>>4 out of 6 FVWM developers own cats. Fascinating.
>>>
>>> I read that as "4 out of 6 FVWM developers are cats" and boggled.
>>
>> I actually haven't read either of these posts.
> 
> Neither have I, yet - I'm still asleep.

OK - so in which arcane and unlikely location are you, currently?

I'm at home, listening to Face by Meira Asher. A staggeringly good record.

http://www.meiraasher.net/

This is hardcore stuff. Seriously.

Her first album, Dissected, is well within my top 10.


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"Hot Badger Deluxe"  wrote

> OK - so in which arcane and unlikely location are you, currently?
>
> I'm at home

M3 2, since about 1:30 this morning - I'm trying to stay awake and beat the 
lag[1].

> http://www.meiraasher.net/
>
> This is hardcore stuff. Seriously.

Hmmmm, currently pausing my pr0n download to listen.

[1] No points for the obvious post edit.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 09:35:25 +0100, "Number Two"
 wrote:

>
>"Hot Badger Deluxe"  wrote
>
>>>>4 out of 6 FVWM developers own cats. Fascinating.
>>>
>>> I read that as "4 out of 6 FVWM developers are cats" and boggled.
>>
>> I actually haven't read either of these posts.
>
>Neither have I, yet - I'm still asleep.

You said you'd be in a pub this week meeting me for a drink, you lazy
so and so, not asleep.
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On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:31:11 +0100, Number Two wrote:

> "Hot Badger Deluxe"  wrote
> 
>> OK - so in which arcane and unlikely location are you, currently?
>>
>> I'm at home
> 
> M3 2, since about 1:30 this morning - I'm trying to stay awake and beat the 
> bishop.
> 
>> http://www.meiraasher.net/
>>
>> This is hardcore stuff. Seriously.
> 
> Hmmmm, currently pausing my pr0n download to listen.

She's an Israeli feminist. And, musically, an absolute fucking genius.

Or, if you want something more cheery:

Robyn Hitchcock - Brenda's Iron Sledge

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckpRHX880Po


> [1] No points for the obvious post edit.

As if...



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wrote

> You said you'd be in a pub this week meeting me for a drink, you lazy
> so and so, not asleep.

Ah, bollocks! Sorry!

The main drawback to my current occupation is a total lack of foresight.

On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 10:43:03 +0100, Number Two wrote:

>  wrote
> 
>> You said you'd be in a pub this week meeting me for a drink, you lazy
>> so and so, not asleep.
> 
> Ah, bollocks! Sorry!
> 
> The main drawback to my current occupation is a total lack of foreskin.

TMI


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