Currently a documentary on BBC7. A quote:

"A couple of weeks ago John Major was putting KY Jelly on a goldfish, or
something......".


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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:42:50 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

and then:

"Lembit Öpik, the shadow spokesman for Scrabble".


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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:42:50 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>Currently a documentary on BBC7. A quote:
>
>"A couple of weeks ago John Major was putting KY Jelly on a goldfish, or
>something......".

He's dead. Long may he stay that way.
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:35:12 +0100, MI5.Victim@privacy.net wrote:

> He's dead. Long may he stay that way.

Interesting use of the word "long"...


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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:47:14 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:35:12 +0100, MI5.Victim@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> He's dead. Long may he stay that way.
>
>Interesting use of the word "long"...

Permanently?
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:03:38 +0100, MI5.Victim@privacy.net wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:47:14 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe

<snip>

>>Interesting use of the word "long"...
> 
> Permanently?

"Long" suggests:

x = y

where y is generally accepted as "long". 

Whereas "permanently" suggests:

x = infinity

which is, of course, mathematically meaningless. Infinity isn't a number,
it's a concept. How many numbers are there between 0 and 1 - an infinite
number - lets call it I1. How many numbers are there between 0 and ten - an
infinite number, lets call it I10

I10 is greater than I1, because I1 is a subset of I10. Yet both are
infinite.

You are only doing this because I am trying to help you, and you drive away
those who do that, because you would rather consider yourself right than be
right. I note that you failed to comment on my reference to Occam...

You are wrong. Unfortunately part of you can't accept that _possibility_.

How can you possibly _know_ that you are right?

Through what mechanism?

What are the atomic statements that prove your case?

You've been at this a long time - surely you've tried to work them out...


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In uk.misc,  (Hot Badger Deluxe) wrote in
<1u23jahndij8x.lisbvn17jnk$.dlg@40tude.net>::

>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:03:38 +0100, MI5.Victim@privacy.net wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 13:47:14 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>
><snip>
>
>>>Interesting use of the word "long"...
>> 
>> Permanently?
>
>"Long" suggests:
>
>x = y
>
>where y is generally accepted as "long". 
>
>Whereas "permanently" suggests:
>
>x = infinity
>
>which is, of course, mathematically meaningless. Infinity isn't a number,
>it's a concept. How many numbers are there between 0 and 1 - an infinite
>number - lets call it I1. How many numbers are there between 0 and ten - an
>infinite number, lets call it I10
>
>I10 is greater than I1, because I1 is a subset of I10. Yet both are
>infinite.

Erm- no.  Look up Aleph numbers.  Have a stiff drink to hand.

The number of real numbers *is* larger[1] than the number of integers,
though not because one is a subset, exactly.

[1] Or, strictly, of a higher order of infinity.  Yep, Cantor *was*
crazy- when he finished, if not when he started.
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:41:20 +0100, Marc Wilson wrote:

<sn∞p>

> Erm- no.  Look up Aleph numbers.  Have a stiff drink to hand.
> 
> The number of real numbers *is* larger[1] than the number of integers,
> though not because one is a subset, exactly.

I admit that I haven't dabbled in maths since 1980, ergo half remembered
bollocks. But, as ever on USENET (yes, I know), the point wasn't to be
accurate in that sense...


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In article <1u23jahndij8x.lisbvn17jnk$.dlg@40tude.net>,
Hot Badger Deluxe   wrote:

>How many numbers are there between 0 and 1 - an infinite
>number - lets call it I1. How many numbers are there between 0 and ten - an
>infinite number, lets call it I10

>I10 is greater than I1, because I1 is a subset of I10.

Not according to the usual mathematical definitions.

Consider how we extend our numbers to include infinities.  We want
them to work like finite numbers as far as possible.  That is, there
are a number of properties that are true of finite numbers, and it
would be nice to have them be true of infinite ones too.

For example, there's the one you're relying on, that if one set is a
proper subset of another then it has strictly fewer members.  Another
is that if you can line up the members of two sets in one-to-one
correspondence, then the sets have the same number of members.

Unfortunately, these can't both be true.  We can match up the
numbers between 0 and 1 with the numbers between 0 and 10, just
by matching x with 10x.

Similarly you can match up the integers with the even integers by
doubling them: 0<->0, 1<->2, 2<->4, and so on.

We have to choose between which of these properties we want to keep.
It turns out to be far more useful to keep the "1-1 correspondence
implies equal" property than the "proper subset is smaller" property,
because without the former it's impossible to compare infinite sets
that have different members.

However, it doesn't turn out that all inifities are the same.  Even
though there are just as many even integers as integers, and just as
many real numbers between 0 and 1 as between 0 and 10, there are still
more real numbers than integers.  And there are more functions (from
reals to reals) than there are reals.

-- Richard
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:41:20 +0100, Marc Wilson
 wrote:

>Yep, Cantor *was*
>crazy-

"The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle;
the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!"
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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 15:05:14 +0100, JAF wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 14:41:20 +0100, Marc Wilson
>  wrote:
> 
>>Yep, Cantor *was*
>>crazy-
> 
> "The pellet with the poison's in the vessel with the pestle;
> the chalice from the palace has the brew that is true!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sShMA85pv8M


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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:42:50 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

>Currently a documentary on BBC7. A quote:
>
>"A couple of weeks ago John Major was putting KY Jelly on a goldfish, or
>something......".

Thank you for that.  As I turned BBC7 off to avoid yet another fucking
Hancock half fucking hour (seems like longer, somehow), and then got
immersed in reading messages, I've missed the start.  Still, more than
half of it left, so all is not lost.

He went to the same school as I did, you know, though several years
before.  Gave me quite a surprise once, when he mentioned Miss Brooks
and I realised she'd taught me as well.

-- 

Peter

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On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:47:29 +0100, Peter Ward wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:42:50 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:
> 
>>Currently a documentary on BBC7. A quote:
>>
>>"A couple of weeks ago John Major was putting KY Jelly on a goldfish, or
>>something......".
> 
> Thank you for that.  As I turned BBC7 off to avoid yet another fucking
> Hancock half fucking hour (seems like longer, somehow), and then got
> immersed in reading messages, I've missed the start.  Still, more than
> half of it left, so all is not lost.

Now available on Listen Again:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listings/index.shtml?Yesterday


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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 10:28:22 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

>On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:47:29 +0100, Peter Ward wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 27 Jun 2008 12:42:50 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:
>> 
>>>Currently a documentary on BBC7. A quote:
>>>
>>>"A couple of weeks ago John Major was putting KY Jelly on a goldfish, or
>>>something......".
>> 
>> Thank you for that.  As I turned BBC7 off to avoid yet another fucking
>> Hancock half fucking hour (seems like longer, somehow), and then got
>> immersed in reading messages, I've missed the start.  Still, more than
>> half of it left, so all is not lost.
>
>Now available on Listen Again:
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbc7/listings/index.shtml?Yesterday

Ta!

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