Fuck.

If only Mbeki had balls.

Yes, I know that I am oversimplifying, but until Mbeki says "stop", then
Mandela can't, and he's probably the only person who can actually stop
this.


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there are so few of us left.

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:28:43 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe 
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> Fuck.
>
> If only Mbeki had balls.
>
> Yes, I know that I am oversimplifying, but until Mbeki says "stop", then
> Mandela can't, and he's probably the only person who can actually stop
> this.

Realistically I don't think anything's going to happen until Mugabe dies.
He's 84 so he can't have very long to go. If he's assassinated there will
almost certainly be civil war and if he dies naturally there will be a power
vacuum with some powerful generals waiting behind the scenes. Either way the
country will be even more screwed than it is now. Part of Mugabe's strategy
is to blame the West for his own failings, and it might be interesting to
see his reaction if he was wrongfooted by means of a carefully worded
statement. He wants to present himself as some kind of anti imperialist
freedom fighter and it would probably really wind him up if there was an
implication that he might end up being involved in some kind of alliance
with the countries that he claims to hate.

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Marcus Houlden  wrote:

> Realistically I don't think anything's going to happen until Mugabe dies.
> He's 84 so he can't have very long to go. If he's assassinated there will
> almost certainly be civil war and if he dies naturally there will be a power
> vacuum with some powerful generals waiting behind the scenes. Either way the
> country will be even more screwed than it is now. Part of Mugabe's strategy
> is to blame the West for his own failings, and it might be interesting to
> see his reaction if he was wrongfooted by means of a carefully worded
> statement. He wants to present himself as some kind of anti imperialist
> freedom fighter and it would probably really wind him up if there was an
> implication that he might end up being involved in some kind of alliance
> with the countries that he claims to hate.

It seems to me to be another potential beach-head 
for the Chinese in Africa.

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On 24 Jun 2008 19:21:16 GMT, Marcus Houlden wrote:

> Realistically I don't think anything's going to happen until Mugabe dies.

If Mandela stood up and said "stop", then everything would change.
Currently he doesn’t want to interfere with the South African
Government, but if he does, then people will listen to him. If he says that
Mugabe is wrong, then he will be listened to. He is the most powerful man
in Africa, and rightly so.

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With shampoo and champagne.

Hot Badger Deluxe formulated on Tuesday :
> Fuck.
>
> If only Mbeki had balls.
>
> Yes, I know that I am oversimplifying, but until Mbeki says "stop", then
> Mandela can't, and he's probably the only person who can actually stop
> this.

Fuck em !

-- 
Count Baldoni

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:50:04 +0100, Baldoni wrote:

<snip Zimbabwe>

> Fuck em !

You don't care about the suffering of many thousands of people?


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Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:

> If only Mbeki had balls.
> 
> Yes, I know that I am oversimplifying, but until Mbeki says "stop", then
> Mandela can't, and he's probably the only person who can actually stop
> this.

I think you're missing the point. Some months ago Mbeki admitted that he
favoured Mugabe over Tsvangirai, which is why the MDC has said that they
don't have any faith in Mbeki. I'm tempted to wonder what Mbeki finds so
alluring about the tin-pot dictator with the well-stuffed Swiss bank
account.

Marcus Houlden  wrote:

> Realistically I don't think anything's going to happen until Mugabe dies.
> He's 84 so he can't have very long to go. 

That French woman lived to 125. I just hope that it's impossible to get
hold of olive oil in Zimbabwe.

Hot Badger Deluxe explained on 24/06/2008 :
> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:50:04 +0100, Baldoni wrote:
>
> <snip Zimbabwe>
>
>> Fuck em !
>
> You don't care about the suffering of many thousands of people?

There is nothing any of us can do about it.  People are suffering all 
over the world and always have been.

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In message <1ij287s.1yhtr7s1b6cs1vN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>, Steve Firth 
<%steve%@malloc.co.uk> writes:
>I think you're missing the point. Some months ago Mbeki admitted that he
>favoured Mugabe over Tsvangirai, which is why the MDC has said that they
>don't have any faith in Mbeki. I'm tempted to wonder what Mbeki finds so
>alluring about the tin-pot dictator with the well-stuffed Swiss bank
>account.

So, what first attracted you to millionaire Paul Daniels?

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In article <1ij23th.h6u29d1eifzopN%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>, 
snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...
> the Chinese in Africa.

The first album was great but I'm not impressed with what they've done 
since

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Dave Budd  wrote:

> In article <1ij23th.h6u29d1eifzopN%snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk>, 
> snipe@spambin.fsnet.co.uk says...

> > the Chinese in Africa.
> 
> The first album was great but I'm not impressed with what they've done
> since

Yah, they haven't quite clicked with those jungle rhythms, 
I reckon, and that weird pentatonic scale just doesn't really go.

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In uk.misc,  (Steve Firth) wrote in
<1ij287s.1yhtr7s1b6cs1vN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>::

>Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:
>
>> If only Mbeki had balls.
>> 
>> Yes, I know that I am oversimplifying, but until Mbeki says "stop", then
>> Mandela can't, and he's probably the only person who can actually stop
>> this.
>
>I think you're missing the point. Some months ago Mbeki admitted that he
>favoured Mugabe over Tsvangirai, which is why the MDC has said that they
>don't have any faith in Mbeki. I'm tempted to wonder what Mbeki finds so
>alluring about the tin-pot dictator with the well-stuffed Swiss bank
>account.

Mbeki is a weapons-grade fuckwit, basically.
-- 
Marc

Once a newspaper touches a story, the facts are lost forever, even to
the protagonists. - Norman Mailer

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:14:09 +0100, Marc Wilson wrote:

<snip>

> weapons-grade fuckwit

<grin>


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Marc Wilson  wrote:

> In uk.misc,  (Steve Firth) wrote in
> <1ij287s.1yhtr7s1b6cs1vN%%steve%@malloc.co.uk>::
> 
> >Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:
> >
> >> If only Mbeki had balls.
> >> 
> >> Yes, I know that I am oversimplifying, but until Mbeki says "stop", then
> >> Mandela can't, and he's probably the only person who can actually stop
> >> this.
> >
> >I think you're missing the point. Some months ago Mbeki admitted that he
> >favoured Mugabe over Tsvangirai, which is why the MDC has said that they
> >don't have any faith in Mbeki. I'm tempted to wonder what Mbeki finds so
> >alluring about the tin-pot dictator with the well-stuffed Swiss bank
> >account.
> 
> Mbeki is a weapons-grade fuckwit, basically.

The AIDS denying, holocaust on his back doorstep ignoring Mbeki a
fuckwit? Doesn't even come close to describing him. However the
relationship with Mugabe seems even dirtier than mere fuckwittery would
suggest.

Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk> wrote:

> > Mbeki is a weapons-grade fuckwit, basically.
> 
> The AIDS denying, holocaust on his back doorstep ignoring Mbeki a
> fuckwit? Doesn't even come close to describing him. However the
> relationship with Mugabe seems even dirtier than mere fuckwittery would
> suggest.

So, which one goes on top?

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Steve Firth wrote:
> Marcus Houlden  wrote:
> 
>> Realistically I don't think anything's going to happen until Mugabe dies.
>> He's 84 so he can't have very long to go. 
> 
> That French woman lived to 125. I just hope that it's impossible to get
> hold of olive oil in Zimbabwe.

Its impossible to buy *anything* in Zimbabwe.

On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:26:56 +0100, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> Marcus Houlden  wrote:
>
>> Realistically I don't think anything's going to happen until Mugabe dies.
>> He's 84 so he can't have very long to go. 
>
> That French woman lived to 125. I just hope that it's impossible to get
> hold of olive oil in Zimbabwe.

Couldn't we get some industrial rapeseed oil and pretend it's olive oil?
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEFDE1F3CF931A3575BC0A961948260

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Marcus Houlden  wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:26:56 +0100, Steve Firth <%steve%@malloc.co.uk>
> wrote the following to uk.misc:
> 
> > Marcus Houlden  wrote:
> >
> >> Realistically I don't think anything's going to happen until Mugabe dies.
> >> He's 84 so he can't have very long to go. 
> >
> > That French woman lived to 125. I just hope that it's impossible to get
> > hold of olive oil in Zimbabwe.
> 
> Couldn't we get some industrial rapeseed oil and pretend it's olive oil?
> http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B0DEFDE1F3CF931A3575BC0A96
> 1948260

It's not safe to buy olive oil in some supermarkets, particularly the
German bucket shops:

http://www.oliveoilsource.com/scripts/dictionary.asp?p_do=item&p_id=51

I'd always wondered how the two supermarkets in question could sell
extra virgin Italian olive oil at less than the cost of production.
Simple answer, they can't.

On Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:14:09 +0100, Marc Wilson
 wrote:

>>I think you're missing the point. Some months ago Mbeki admitted that he
>>favoured Mugabe over Tsvangirai, which is why the MDC has said that they
>>don't have any faith in Mbeki. I'm tempted to wonder what Mbeki finds so
>>alluring about the tin-pot dictator with the well-stuffed Swiss bank
>>account.
>
>Mbeki is a weapons-grade fuckwit, basically.

Amen to that.  But also a nasty weapons grade fuckwit and a past
master at underhand politics.  Rhamaposa should have had the heir
elect position; Mbeki edged him out.