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date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:14:22 GMT,    group: uk.misc        back       
Crimes against fashion   
In Malawi, in 1974, a law was passed forbidding men from wearing flared
trousers.

S'troo, you know.

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:14:22 GMT   author:   Fevric J Glandules lid

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:14:22 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:

> In Malawi, in 1974, a law was passed forbidding men from wearing flared
> trousers.
> 
> S'troo, you know.

What about tank tops?


-- 
It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:22:12 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:22:12 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:14:22 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:
> 
>> In Malawi, in 1974, a law was passed forbidding men from wearing flared
>> trousers.
>> 
>> S'troo, you know.
> 
> What about tank tops?

I dunno.

If you're wondering about women - they weren't allowed to wear trousers 
at all.

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:08:12 GMT   author:   Fevric J Glandules lid

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:22:12 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:14:22 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:
>> 
>>> In Malawi, in 1974, a law was passed forbidding men from wearing flared
>>> trousers.
>>> 
>>> S'troo, you know.
>> 
>> What about tank tops?
>
> I dunno.
>
> If you're wondering about women - they weren't allowed to wear trousers 
> at all.

I seem to recall that facial hair wasn't allowed either, nor long hair.
And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
pictures (including photos in old newspapers).

-- 
red pill? blue pill?
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100   author:   August West

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West wrote:

> And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
> everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
> pictures (including photos in old newspapers).

Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:37:17 GMT   author:   Fevric J Glandules lid

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West wrote:
>
>> And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
>> everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
>> pictures (including photos in old newspapers).
>
> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?

Yes. Banda's meglomania was of a very werid kind. And this was back in
the days that Mugabe was still a "freedon fighter".

-- 
So go on, boys, and play your hands, life is a pantomime
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:41:37 +0100   author:   August West

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West wrote:
>
>> And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
>> everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
>> pictures (including photos in old newspapers).
>
> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?

As Wikipedia says: "Every business building was required to have an
official picture of Banda hanging on the wall, and no poster, clock or
picture could be higher than his picture. Before every movie, a video of
Banda waving to the people was shown while the anthem played. When Banda
visited a city, a contingent of women were expected to greet him at the
airport and dance for him. A special cloth, bearing the s picture, was
the required attire for these performances."

-- 
We're middle-class, we're middle-aged
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:47:58 +0100   author:   August West

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:41:37 +0100, August West wrote:

> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
> 
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West wrote:
>>
>>> And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
>>> everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
>>> pictures (including photos in old newspapers).
>>
>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
> 
> Yes. 

Well?

> Banda's meglomania was of a very werid kind. And this was back in


Sure he was weird, but AFAIK it's standard practice in just
about every sub-Saharan country to have the president's photo
absolutely everywhere.

> the days that Mugabe was still a "freedon fighter".
>



-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:50:08 GMT   author:   Fevric J Glandules lid

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:

>>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
>> 
>> Yes. 
>
> Well?

You made the assertion!

>> Banda's meglomania was of a very werid kind. And this was back in
>
> Sure he was weird, but AFAIK it's standard practice in just
> about every sub-Saharan country to have the president's photo
> absolutely everywhere.

See other posting. I'm not aware of anywhere else it was imposed by (a)
law, and (b) a tape measure.

-- 
418 I'm a teapot
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:27 +0100   author:   August West

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:47:58 +0100, August West 
wrote the following to uk.misc:

> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West wrote:
>>
>>> And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
>>> everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
>>> pictures (including photos in old newspapers).
>>
>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
>
> As Wikipedia says: "Every business building was required to have an
> official picture of Banda hanging on the wall, and no poster, clock or
> picture could be higher than his picture. Before every movie, a video of
> Banda waving to the people was shown while the anthem played.

I really wouldn't like to be the cinema owner if the tape snapped halfway
through. A melting photo of the president on a big screen might not go down
too well if the secret police are in the audience.

mh.
-- 
http://www.nukesoft.co.uk
http://personal.nukesoft.co.uk

From address is a blackhole. Reply-to address is valid.
date: 20 Jun 2008 15:08:37 GMT   author:   Marcus Houlden

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In article ,
 August West  writes:
> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West wrote:
> >
> >> And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
> >> everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
> >> pictures (including photos in old newspapers).
> >
> > Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
> 
> Yes. Banda's meglomania was of a very werid kind.

Not quite as werid as that bloke in Turkmenistan, though.

> And this was back in
> the days that Mugabe was still a "freedon fighter".

He still is.  These days, he fights _against_ it.
-- 
SAm.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:02:33 +0100   author:   (Sam Nelson)

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:41:37 +0100, August West wrote:

> freedom fighter

Whatever happened to Dalek I Love You - their single Freedom Fighters was
great. In fact I think that I have the album, but it's in a box...


-- 
Don't worry about what people will think; they don't do it very 
often.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 17:33:09 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:27 +0100, August West wrote:

> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
> 
>>>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
>>> 
>>> Yes. 
>>
>> Well?
> 
> You made the assertion!

Example, then.

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:43:25 GMT   author:   Fevric J Glandules lid

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:27 +0100, August West wrote:
>
>> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> 
>>>>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
>>>> 
>>>> Yes. 
>>>
>>> Well?
>> 
>> You made the assertion!
>
> Example, then.

Nigeria.

-- 
It's not aimed at anyone, it's just escapin' on the run
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:52:10 +0100   author:   August West

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:27 +0100, August West wrote:
> 
> > Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
> > 
> >>>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
> >>> 
> >>> Yes. 
> >>
> >> Well?
> > 
> > You made the assertion!
> 
> Example, then.

Burkina Fasso. No, *you* look it up.

-- 
^Ï^                            Sn!pe  

     <:>----------[  Down with this sort of thing!  ]----------<:>
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:54:00 +0100   author:   (Sn!pe)

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In message <gRO6k.12740$E41.8514@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Fevric J 
Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes
>On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:22:12 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:14:22 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:
>>
>>> In Malawi, in 1974, a law was passed forbidding men from wearing flared
>>> trousers.
>>>
>>> S'troo, you know.
>>
>> What about tank tops?
>
>I dunno.
>
>If you're wondering about women - they weren't allowed to wear trousers
>at all.

Stones Chop House used to ban women wearing trousers. A story I heard 
was a that a lady wearing a trouser suit was stopped. She simply whipped 
off the offending trousers and allowed her top's just about adequate 
length to serve as a skirt.
-- 
James Follett
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:52:38 +0100   author:   JF

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In message <xgP6k.12754$E41.4070@text.news.virginmedia.com>, Fevric J 
Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes
>On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West wrote:
>
>> And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
>> everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
>> pictures (including photos in old newspapers).
>
>Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?

Baghdad was certainly weird. Saddam's picture was everywhere and every 
bloody taxi driver looked like him. There were rumours at the time that 
Saddam used doubles to cloak his movements. They weren't rumours! Every 
vehicle entering and leaving every building was Saddam!
-- 
James Follett
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:57:24 +0100   author:   JF

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In message , Sam Nelson 
 writes
>In article ,
> August West  writes:
>> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>
>> > On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West wrote:
>> >
>> >> And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
>> >> everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
>> >> pictures (including photos in old newspapers).
>> >
>> > Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
>>
>> Yes. Banda's meglomania was of a very werid kind.
>
>Not quite as werid as that bloke in Turkmenistan, though.
>
>> And this was back in
>> the days that Mugabe was still a "freedon fighter".
>
>He still is.  These days, he fights _against_ it.

Nice one!                      JF
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:58:59 +0100   author:   JF

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Sn!pe wrote:
> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:27 +0100, August West wrote:
>>
>>> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>
>>>>>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Well?
>>>
>>> You made the assertion!
>>
>> Example, then.
>
> Burkina Fasso. No, *you* look it up.

The Land of the Free./Honest/Upright Men (ex Upper Volta). I have 
several friends from that country, one of the poorest in the world and 
currently run by Blaise Compaore who ousted the much regretted Thiomas 
Sankara in a coup in 1987.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:28:11 +0200   author:   John of Aix

Re: Crimes against fashion   
JF wrote:

> Stones Chop House used to ban women wearing trousers. A story I heard
> was a that a lady wearing a trouser suit was stopped. She simply
> whipped off the offending trousers and allowed her top's just about
> adequate length to serve as a skirt.

Now that's a real dame. Got her telephone number?
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:29:31 +0200   author:   John of Aix

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:54:00 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:

> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:27 +0100, August West wrote:
>> 
>> > Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
>> > 
>> >>>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
>> >>> 
>> >>> Yes. 
>> >>
>> >> Well?
>> > 
>> > You made the assertion!
>> 
>> Example, then.
> 
> Burkina Fasso. No, *you* look it up.

The President's been in power for 21 years and he doesn't have a 
little personality cult going?  Yeah, right.

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:52:38 GMT   author:   Fevric J Glandules lid

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In message <485c1867$0$891$ba4acef3@news.orange.fr>, John of Aix 
 writes
>JF wrote:
>
>> Stones Chop House used to ban women wearing trousers. A story I heard
>> was a that a lady wearing a trouser suit was stopped. She simply
>> whipped off the offending trousers and allowed her top's just about
>> adequate length to serve as a skirt.
>
>Now that's a real dame. Got her telephone number?

This was around 1960 so the chances are that she'd be about 70 now. 
Still, my wife is 71 and she's got legs that many girls a third of her 
age would like.

-- 
James Follett
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:53:10 +0100   author:   JF

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Fevric J Glandules wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:54:00 +0100, Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:54:27 +0100, August West wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Are there *any* sub-Saharan countries where this isn't the case?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well?
>>>>
>>>> You made the assertion!
>>>
>>> Example, then.
>>
>> Burkina Fasso. No, *you* look it up.
>
> The President's been in power for 21 years and he doesn't have a
> little personality cult going?  Yeah, right.

No he doesn't in fact. Though he came to power in a coup d'état, he's 
reasonably reasonable all the same. owns only one Rolls Royce I believe.
date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:44:01 +0200   author:   John of Aix

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 00:44:01 +0200, John of Aix wrote:

>>> Burkina Fasso. No, *you* look it up.
>>
>> The President's been in power for 21 years and he doesn't have a
>> little personality cult going?  Yeah, right.
> 
> No he doesn't in fact. Though he came to power in a coup d'état, he's 
> reasonably reasonable all the same. owns only one Rolls Royce I believe.

Remarkable.

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:51:30 GMT   author:   Fevric J Glandules lid

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In article <AsP6k.12760$E41.5637@text.news.virginmedia.com>, 
fevric@invalid.invalid says...
> 
> Sure he was weird, but AFAIK it's standard practice in just
> about every sub-Saharan country to have the president's photo
> absolutely everywhere.
> 

Saw almost no pictures of Kaunda when I was out in Zambia.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:05:09 +0100   author:   Buddha Rhubarb Butter

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In article <dj3g5ewpauyw.12wzya6b7i5mz$.dlg@40tude.net>, 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:41:37 +0100, August West wrote:
> 
> > freedom fighter
> 
> Whatever happened to Dalek I Love You - their single Freedom Fighters was
> great. In fact I think that I have the album, but it's in a box...
> 

Weren't they always a side project for some members of OMD and Teardrop 
Explodes? Must see if I can get any Dalek I on CD. Likewise Clock DVA and 
Beevamp. I can remember them all being wonderful, but can't clearly 
recall any of the actual music.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:08:20 +0100   author:   Buddha Rhubarb Butter

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:53:10 +0100, JF wrote:


<snip>

> my wife is 71 and she's got legs that many girls a third of her 
> age would like.

They must be _really_ hungry.


-- 
The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism 
by those who have not got it.
date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 09:11:15 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:08:20 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:

> In article <dj3g5ewpauyw.12wzya6b7i5mz$.dlg@40tude.net>, 
> watercress@spamcop.org says...
>> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:41:37 +0100, August West wrote:
>> 
>>> freedom fighter
>> 
>> Whatever happened to Dalek I Love You - their single Freedom Fighters was
>> great. In fact I think that I have the album, but it's in a box...
>> 
> 
> Weren't they always a side project for some members of OMD and Teardrop 
> Explodes? Must see if I can get any Dalek I on CD. Likewise Clock DVA and 
> Beevamp. I can remember them all being wonderful, but can't clearly 
> recall any of the actual music.

They contained members who later went on to from OMD, Big In Japan,
Teardrop Explodes (Alan Gill co-wrote reward). Sadly Compass Kumpas isn't
available on CD. The place to get rare records is Netsounds:

http://www.netsoundsmusic.com/

I also recently got hold of Missing Presumed Dead's album in mp3 form,
including the fabulous My Little Sister's Turning In To Dwayne Eddy.

 
-- 
And though each little song
Was less than three minutes long
Mike squeezed a solo in... somehow
date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:33:10 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In article <1rtnej8ot7gzo$.17bkct5z8rc5e.dlg@40tude.net>, 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:08:20 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:
> 
> > In article <dj3g5ewpauyw.12wzya6b7i5mz$.dlg@40tude.net>, 
> > watercress@spamcop.org says...
> >> On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:41:37 +0100, August West wrote:
> >> 
> >>> freedom fighter
> >> 
> >> Whatever happened to Dalek I Love You - their single Freedom Fighters was
> >> great. In fact I think that I have the album, but it's in a box...
> > 
> > Weren't they always a side project for some members of OMD and Teardrop 
> > Explodes? Must see if I can get any Dalek I on CD. Likewise Clock DVA and 
> > Beevamp. I can remember them all being wonderful, but can't clearly 
> > recall any of the actual music.
> 
> They contained members who later went on to from OMD, Big In Japan,
> Teardrop Explodes (Alan Gill co-wrote reward). Sadly Compass Kumpas isn't
> available on CD. The place to get rare records is Netsounds:
> 

Doesn't fit with what I know of the timeline. Big in Japan precede just 
about all that wave of Liverpool bands. Basically they pretty much all 
had at least one former member of Big in Japan (thoigh admittedly in many 
cases it was Ian Broudie). I'm pretty certain that the first Teardrop 
Explodes single came out before Dalek I released anything.

No. Looking it up you are partly right. Dalek I and Big in Japan both 
formed in 77. David Balfe and then later Alan Gill (briefly) left to join 
the already extant Teardrop Explodes. Then later Gill and Dave Hughes 
(from OMD) reformed Dalek I around 1980. The last being what I was half 
remembering.

The Liverpool music scene of the late 70s and 80s was amazingly 
incestuous. So far as I can tell just about everyone had been in a band 
with somebody who had been in a band with everyone else (apart from the 
50% of them who had been in a band with Ian Broudie). Late 80s Jayne 
Casey booked a few of the plays I directed, and the audiences included 
members of The Pale Fountains, Echo and the Bunnymen, Dalek I, Teardrop 
Explodes, Original Mirrors and naturally both Big in Japan and Pink 
Military. Which was a bit of a craik.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:30:07 +0100   author:   Buddha Rhubarb Butter

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:12:19 +0100, August West 
wrote:

>> If you're wondering about women - they weren't allowed to wear trousers 
>> at all.
>
>I seem to recall that facial hair wasn't allowed either, nor long hair.
>And Banda (President for Life) expected pictures of him to be displayed
>everywhere, and people were often prosecuted for disrespecting such
>pictures (including photos in old newspapers).

My parents lived in Malawi and so did I, I suppose, after the period
in which the ban was brought.  Skirts had to touch the floor if a
woman was kneeling and if not, the women got thrown into jail or
summat.  No trousers, either.  Long hair not allowed on boys, can't
remember the facial hair.  The lollipop flight carrying the kids back
from boarding school to their parents was entertaining with my elder
sister and all of her skanky mini skirted friends having to change in
the toilets.  

You were in trouble if you criticised any of the government in public;
my dad took on one of Banda's honcho's - Tembo - and lost his job as a
result.  As Tembo had been taking girls out of the hostel attached to
my dad's college to entertain foreign visitors, I think my dad did the
right thing there.
date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 23:45:53 +0100   author:   Oxford comma lid

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:30:07 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:

> The Liverpool music scene of the late 70s and 80s was amazingly 
> incestuous. So far as I can tell just about everyone had been in a band 
> with somebody who had been in a band with everyone else (apart from the 
> 50% of them who had been in a band with Ian Broudie). Late 80s Jayne 
> Casey booked a few of the plays I directed, and the audiences included 
> members of The Pale Fountains, Echo and the Bunnymen, Dalek I, Teardrop 
> Explodes, Original Mirrors and naturally both Big in Japan and Pink 
> Military. Which was a bit of a craik.

Never heard of Original Mirrors before. Actually I probably have, via
Johnny Plee (© Kid Jenson, IIRC), if nowhere else. But that reminded me of
the Skids. Sadly there isn't a good quality vid of Sweet Surburbia on You
Tube, but there is one of The Armoury Show doing Castles In Spain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMq4TSGZoA

Some lineup - Richard Jobson, John McGeoch, Martin Doyle and Russell Web.
Pissed all over Big Country (I saw Stuart Adamson in an a pub in London
once - I overcame the desire to ask him how he made his guitar sound like
bagpipes).



-- 
Opium, fireworks, vodka and meat
Scoot over and save me a seat
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 13:53:14 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:

> Some lineup - Richard Jobson

There's a good reason not to watch it then. OTOH if it features RJ
soaked in petrol and someone applying a match it could be worth
watching.
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:14:11 +0100   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 14:14:11 +0100, Steve Firth wrote:

> Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:
> 
>> Some lineup - Richard Jobson
> 
> There's a good reason not to watch it then. OTOH if it features RJ
> soaked in petrol and someone applying a match it could be worth
> watching.

He's a tosser^98, but did a few good tracks. Give The Armoury Show a go.
Ignoring someone's creations, just because they are Not A Nice Person ends
up being cutting off your nose to spite your face. My favourite author,
Charles Bukowski, was a nasty drunk, Hunter S. Thompson used to beat his
wife (allegedly), William Burroughs was a misogynist, L.F. Celine was an
anti-Semite, etc., etc. The map is not the territory, as Korzybski put it.
Sometimes an utter twat can make great art, similarly sometimes a really
nice person can make seriously shit art. The latter is the harder to deal
with.


-- 
AK-47 is the tool. 
Don't make me act the motherfucking fool
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:05:26 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In article , 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> Sometimes an utter twat can make great art

No more heroes any more, as I found out when I read Hugh Cornwell's 
autobiography and discovered him to be a not-particularly-pleasant 
person.

To add to the list, I've found Iain Banks to be, well, a bit of a jerk, 
when I've encountered him (which is not recently, I'd have to admit) but 
he's written many excellent books.
-- 
SAm.
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:12:25 +0100   author:   Sam Nelson

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:

> My favourite author,
> Charles Bukowski, was a nasty drunk, Hunter S. Thompson used to beat his
> wife (allegedly), William Burroughs was a misogynist, L.F. Celine was an
> anti-Semite, etc., etc.

See, I've ignored all of them and I don't feel any loss in consequence.
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:24:49 +0100   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:24:49 +0100, Steve Firth wrote:

> Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:
> 
>> My favourite author,
>> Charles Bukowski, was a nasty drunk, Hunter S. Thompson used to beat his
>> wife (allegedly), William Burroughs was a misogynist, L.F. Celine was an
>> anti-Semite, etc., etc.
> 
> See, I've ignored all of them and I don't feel any loss in consequence.

How can you miss something that you haven't tried? If you don't try you
can't lose, but you also can't win. I'm surprised that you haven't read
Hunter S Thompson, because Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail '72 is a
classic - the man invented Gonzo journalism(1).

Here's Bukowski being himself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1e5Jeh2Fk0
 

(1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzo_journalism


-- 
You will not fail to thrill to the Whistling Dildo.
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 15:47:50 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Crimes against fashion   
Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:

> I'm surprised that you haven't read
> Hunter S Thompson, because Fear And Loathing On The Campaign Trail '72 is a
> classic - the man invented Gonzo journalism(1).

I avoided that one on purpose.
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:21:26 +0100   author:   %steve%@malloc.co.uk (Steve Firth)

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In article <14p2nrwxpn9jg.1w3rirm02uy9n$.dlg@40tude.net>, 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:30:07 퍝, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:
> 
> > The Liverpool music scene of the late 70s and 80s was amazingly 
> > incestuous. So far as I can tell just about everyone had been in a band 
> > with somebody who had been in a band with everyone else (apart from the 
> > 50% of them who had been in a band with Ian Broudie). Late 80s Jayne 
> > Casey booked a few of the plays I directed, and the audiences included 
> > members of The Pale Fountains, Echo and the Bunnymen, Dalek I, Teardrop 
> > Explodes, Original Mirrors and naturally both Big in Japan and Pink 
> > Military. Which was a bit of a craik.
> 
> Never heard of Original Mirrors before. Actually I probably have, via
> Johnny Plee (© Kid Jenson, IIRC), if nowhere else. 

I'm surprised. They were what Ian Broudie did after Big in Japan, and IMO 
the best thing he's ever been involved in. Don't recall them having a 
mega hit, but I also don't recall them releasing a duff track.

> But that reminded me of
> the Skids. Sadly there isn't a good quality vid of Sweet Surburbia on You
> Tube, but there is one of The Armoury Show doing Castles In Spain:
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoMq4TSGZoA
> 
> Some lineup - Richard Jobson, John McGeoch, Martin Doyle and Russell Web.
> Pissed all over Big Country (I saw Stuart Adamson in an a pub in London
> once - I overcame the desire to ask him how he made his guitar sound like
> bagpipes).
> 

Overdrive. At least that's how I'd go about it.

Great band, The Skids.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:38:34 +0100   author:   Buddha Rhubarb Butter

Re: Crimes against fashion   
In article , sam@ssrl.org.uk 
says...
> 
> To add to the list, I've found Iain Banks to be, well, a bit of a jerk, 
> when I've encountered him (which is not recently, I'd have to admit) but 
> he's written many excellent books.
> 

Odd. I found him to be a smashing bloke to down a pint or five with.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:39:55 +0100   author:   Buddha Rhubarb Butter

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:39:55 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:

> In article , sam@ssrl.org.uk 
> says...
>> 
>> To add to the list, I've found Iain Banks to be, well, a bit of a jerk, 
>> when I've encountered him (which is not recently, I'd have to admit) but 
>> he's written many excellent books.
>> 
> 
> Odd. I found him to be a smashing bloke to down a pint or five with.

Reports of people can be strange - I remember some article on Michael
Palin, saying that he was pompous and unpleasant. Mate of mine met him, and
said that he was a lovely bloke. I met Matt O'Connor who set up Father's 4
Justice last year. Great bloke. Very funny and very bright. Now look at
what the tabloids say about him...


-- 
Few people even scratch the surface, much less exhaust
the contemplation of their own experience.
date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 17:17:35 +0100   author:   Hot Badger Deluxe

Re: Crimes against fashion   
On 2008-06-22, Sam Nelson  wrote:

> To add to the list, I've found Iain Banks to be, well, a bit of a jerk, 
> when I've encountered him (which is not recently, I'd have to admit) but 
> he's written many excellent books.

The only time I ever met him (at a book signing), he was "tired and emotional".


-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]
date: 23 Jun 2008 07:46:26 GMT   author:   Huge lid

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