On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:18:54 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:53:51 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:
>
><snip>
>> Lightweight.
>> 
>> Hammond B5's the worst bugger of a bit of kit, AFAICR.
>
>B3, shirly. Can't find any evidence that there was a B5.
>
>And, as you have mentioned Hammond, I feel I should post one of the reasons
>that punk happened:

There was no sensible reason why punk happened.  Nor could there
possibly be one.

-- 

Peter

I'm an alien
email: groups at asylum dot nildram dot co dot uk
It's so hard having a big vocabulary.
- Dana Carpender

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:06:04 +0100, Peter Ward wrote:

<snip>

> There was no sensible reason why punk happened.  Nor could there
> possibly be one.

I really don't know how to respond to that. I'd guess that you are either a
lot older than me (47 next month), a lot younger, or just scarily
unimaginative. Punk was not only a wonderful burst of energy, but it led to
many wonderful groups.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z2M_hpoPwk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JysZTvAAyu4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5gkJ424GE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzMKSJh36A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFWZpZLEW4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYTgwDizbk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL0tYowbIxE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YweKU8ckalk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8bjJf3Q5mE

Shirly you must like at least one of them?



-- 
I have nothing to say, I am saying it, and that is poetry.

In article , 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> 
> I really don't know how to respond to that. I'd guess that you are either a
> lot older than me (47 next month), a lot younger, or just scarily
> unimaginative. Punk was not only a wonderful burst of energy, but it led to
> many wonderful groups.
> 

Above all it led to being able to get paid gigs even if you didn't have a 
guitarist doing twenty minute solos and a keyboard player blanding 
everything out with a soup of pseudo classical wank.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:31:24 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

>On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:06:04 +0100, Peter Ward wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> There was no sensible reason why punk happened.  Nor could there
>> possibly be one.
>
>I really don't know how to respond to that. I'd guess that you are either a
>lot older than me (47 next month), a lot younger, or just scarily

'Bout 10 years older, I am.

>unimaginative. Punk was not only a wonderful burst of energy, but it led to
>many wonderful groups.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z2M_hpoPwk
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JysZTvAAyu4
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5gkJ424GE
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzMKSJh36A
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFWZpZLEW4
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYTgwDizbk
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL0tYowbIxE
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YweKU8ckalk
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8bjJf3Q5mE
>
>Shirly you must like at least one of them?

Who are they?  I don't do youtube at the moment (should be getting
broadband shortly), but I'll keep the post so's I can have a butcher's
later.

The Clash, Stranglers and Jam all did some stuff which isn't bad, even
good in parts.  I went so far as to but a Stranglers album, but the
whole ethos of punk, as I understand it, is anathema to me.  The Sex
Pistols, in particular, were fucking awful, which put me off the whole
business from the start.  Also, there's so much other stuff to listen
to which is so much better, I really can't find the time to pay much
attention to punk.

Maybe the excesses of a small part of the prog and glam rock genres
needed curtailing in some way.  Punk was not that way.

-- 

Peter

I'm an alien
email: groups at asylum dot nildram dot co dot uk
Who gives a shit about wars, or about how long they last? Apostrophes, on the other hand, are important.
- Peter Boulding

Peter Ward wrote:
>  I don't do youtube at the moment (should be getting
> broadband shortly)

Blimey, you still on dial-up (anyone else BTW?)? No wonder you don't 
paste as much bollocks as the rest of us.

John of Aix wrote:
> Peter Ward wrote:
>>  I don't do youtube at the moment (should be getting
>> broadband shortly)
> 
> Blimey, you still on dial-up (anyone else BTW?)?

Me.
I'll get it sorted eventually, but having a reason to leave the home PC 
switched off is no bad thing. I'd like to say it discouraged the kids 
from copying all their homework off the net, except it doesn't.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:30:04 +0100, Peter Ward wrote:

<snip punk>

> Who are they?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z2M_hpoPwk

Sex Pistols - God Save the Queen - this song just gets better and better.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JysZTvAAyu4

The Buzzcocks (original line up) - Boredom. Odd video, but the song is
still great (badum badum).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv5gkJ424GE

The Jam - All around the world - one of the groups who were liberated by
punk (see also The Stranglers) without being really part of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJzMKSJh36A

Wire performing two brief songs:

1. Another the letter
2. The 15th

They are still going - see:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl15Xzbg8FY

The drummer (Robert Gotobed) appears to be turning to Ivor Cutler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDFWZpZLEW4

The Ramones - Sheena Is A Punk Rocker

An absolute classic of US Punk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjYTgwDizbk

Elvis Costello - (I Don't Want To Go To) Chelsea

New wave, rather than punk. If you don't like this, then I don't know what
to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sL0tYowbIxE

The Pop Group - She is beyond Good and Evil

This is a love or hate track.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YweKU8ckalk

The Swell Maps - Let's Build A Car
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8bjJf3Q5mE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8bjJf3Q5mE

The Fall - Container Drivers

Mark E Smith is something else. In the best (or worst) possible way. If you
watch nothing else, listen to this.


-- 
She jerked away from me like a startled fawn might,
if I had a startled fawn and it jerked away from me.

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 15:24:16 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:30:04 +0100, Peter Ward wrote:
>
><snip punk>
>
>> Who are they?

[snip added info]

Ta!

-- 

Peter

I'm an alien
email: groups at asylum dot nildram dot co dot uk
A conservative is a liberal whose tomatoes have been flattened.
- Veronique

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:54:11 +0200, John of Aix wrote:

>Peter Ward wrote:
>>  I don't do youtube at the moment (should be getting
>> broadband shortly)
>
>Blimey, you still on dial-up (anyone else BTW?)? No wonder you don't 
>paste as much bollocks as the rest of us. 
>
I don't post as much either.

I have been meaning to get broadband for ages, but I procrastinate too
much.  It's finally being seen to now.

-- 

Peter

I'm an alien
email: groups at asylum dot nildram dot co dot uk
I try to let the little stuff slide, but this is baseball we're talking about here!
- Richard R. Hershberger

In article <bpxpa4gkhj4j$.15txbh128dtoz$.dlg@40tude.net>, 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:30:04 +0100, Peter Ward wrote:
> 
> <snip punk>
> 
> > Who are they?
> 
> <snip them all>

Then there's Hong Kong Garden by Siouxsie and the Banshees. If that 
doesn't set your feet tapping it's time to get the death certificate 
sorted out. Or Free Money by Penetration, with the glorious layered vocal 
overdubs at the end. Not to mention Essential Logic, Kleenex, Laughing 
Apple, Stiff Little Fingers...

Essentially, though, punk was best heard live. You had to be there to 
really understand the basic truth behind the punk ethos. Right now some 
people are entertaining some other people, at some other time any of the 
people being entertained could just as easily be the ones on stage. The 
separation between performer and audience is entirely temporary and 
doesn't require any farting about with status games. That's us down here 
and that's us up there. You can't get that from recordings.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:02:28 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:

>In article <bpxpa4gkhj4j$.15txbh128dtoz$.dlg@40tude.net>, 
>watercress@spamcop.org says...
>> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:30:04 +0100, Peter Ward wrote:
>> 
>> <snip punk>
>> 
>> > Who are they?
>> 
>> <snip them all>
>
>Then there's Hong Kong Garden by Siouxsie and the Banshees. If that 
>doesn't set your feet tapping it's time to get the death certificate 
>sorted out.

Pah!  ELP could do foot-tapper.  There's more to music than making
people's feet tap, and others, like George Thorogood and the
Destroyers to name one, do it much, much better anyway.

>Stiff Little Fingers...

What I recall about them tells me they were nothing to do with punk.
However, my memory may be playing tricks.

>Essentially, though, punk was best heard live. You had to be there to 
>really understand the basic truth behind the punk ethos. Right now some 
>people are entertaining some other people, at some other time any of the 
>people being entertained could just as easily be the ones on stage. The 
>separation between performer and audience is entirely temporary and 
>doesn't require any farting about with status games. That's us down here 
>and that's us up there.

What a pile of bullshit.  Emperor's new clothes, although they're
getting old by now.

When I go to a gig, I at least want the performers to know what
they're doing, which often sets them apart from a large part of the
audience, including myself.  That's a lot to do with why I'm prepared
to pay hard-earned money to see and hear them.

> You can't get that from recordings.

Of course not, there's no crowd involved when listening to a
recording.  You only have the music to listen to.  That's when you
discover that punk is crap.

-- 

Peter

I'm an alien
email: groups at asylum dot nildram dot co dot uk
Homeopaths suffer from dilutions of grandeur.
- Artyw

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:01:35 +0100, JF wrote:

> In message , Peter Ward 
>  writes
> 
>>Of course not, there's no crowd involved when listening to a
>>recording.  You only have the music to listen to.  That's when you
>>discover that punk is crap.
> 
> It's only an opinion and therefore probably worthless but in my 
> experience sneering at other peoples tastes in religion, spouses, 
> hobbies, wallpaper and music is more likely to reflect badly on the 
> person uttering the sneers because it doesn't change tastes therefore 
> such utterances are pointless.

Agree entirely. De gustibus non est disputandum, as they say.


> I'll make an exception and voice my dislikes in respect of some strange 
> hobbies such as bagpipe players, blokes buggering blokes, and 
> foxhunting. I don't mind what the blighters get up to but I object to 
> the politics of such hobbyists who want me to believe that their 
> pursuits are normal.

Define "normal". And why is it preferable?


-- 
Cigarettes, ice cream, figurines of the Virgin Mary.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:01:35 +0100, JF wrote:

>In message , Peter Ward 
> writes
>
>>Of course not, there's no crowd involved when listening to a
>>recording.  You only have the music to listen to.  That's when you
>>discover that punk is crap.
>
>It's only an opinion and therefore probably worthless but in my 
>experience sneering at other peoples tastes in religion, spouses, 
>hobbies, wallpaper and music is more likely to reflect badly on the 
>person uttering the sneers because it doesn't change tastes therefore 
>such utterances are pointless.

It's also only an opinion that punk is worth bothering with in the
first place.

>I'll make an exception and voice my dislikes in respect of some strange 
>hobbies such as bagpipe players, blokes buggering blokes, and 
>foxhunting. I don't mind what the blighters get up to but I object to 
>the politics of such hobbyists who want me to believe that their 
>pursuits are normal.

I'll object when they make it compulsory.

-- 

Peter

I'm an alien
email: groups at asylum dot nildram dot co dot uk
Homeopaths suffer from dilutions of grandeur.
- Artyw

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:43:35 +0100, August West wrote:

> Peter Ward  writes:
> 
>> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:01:35 +0100, JF wrote:
>>
>>>I'll make an exception and voice my dislikes in respect of some strange 
>>>hobbies such as bagpipe players, blokes buggering blokes, and 
>>>foxhunting. I don't mind what the blighters get up to but I object to 
>>>the politics of such hobbyists who want me to believe that their 
>>>pursuits are normal.
>>
>> I'll object when they make it compulsory.
> 
> I'll try anything once, except incest and country dancing.

Sobriety?

-- 
Get ready for the festival
For the festival is only once a year

In article <14of3nwbvxhmx$.ypz7vjw4ugzl.dlg@40tude.net>, 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:43:35 +0100, August West wrote:
> 
> > Peter Ward  writes:
> > 
> >> On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 13:01:35 +0100, JF wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'll make an exception and voice my dislikes in respect of some strange 
> >>>hobbies such as bagpipe players, blokes buggering blokes, and 
> >>>foxhunting. I don't mind what the blighters get up to but I object to 
> >>>the politics of such hobbyists who want me to believe that their 
> >>>pursuits are normal.
> >>
> >> I'll object when they make it compulsory.
> > 
> > I'll try anything once, except incest and country dancing.
> 
> Sobriety?

With a twist in mine.
-- 
SAm.

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 15:05:48 +0100, August West wrote:

<snip>

> I was completely dry for my first 15 years on this blue planet.
> And now and again, since then.

http://tinyurl.com/65zkn4


-- 
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.