You need this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cI8P4zX-w

Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights - Seattle 1990

This guy's even better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEBCpzT-VUQ

Sir Richard Bishop, of the Sun City Girls.


-- 
Aim for the horsies.

Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:

> You need this:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cI8P4zX-w
>
> Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights - Seattle 1990
>
> This guy's even better:

No! No one is better than RT!
Except Danny Thompson.

-- 
happy is just not the word

On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:27:32 +0100, August West wrote:

> Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
> 
>> You need this:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cI8P4zX-w
>>
>> Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights - Seattle 1990
>>
>> This guy's even better:
> 
> No! No one is better than RT!
> Except Danny Thompson.

<8 year old Schoolboy>
You love him.
</8 year old Schoolboy>

Try this - if I could play guitar like this, I wouldn't care if my cock
fell off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJq2eKK3Fc


-- 
If you are foolish enough to be contented, 
don't show it, but grumble with the rest.

In article ,
 Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:27:32 +0100, August West wrote:
> > Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
> >> You need this:
> >>
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cI8P4zX-w
> >>
> >> Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights - Seattle 1990
> >>
> >> This guy's even better:
> > 
> > No! No one is better than RT!
> > Except Danny Thompson.
> 
> <8 year old Schoolboy>
> You love him.
> </8 year old Schoolboy>
> 
> Try this - if I could play guitar like this, I wouldn't care if my cock
> fell off.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJq2eKK3Fc

I'd pick Bill Nelson, with a side order of George Thorogood.
-- 
SAm.

Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:27:32 +0100, August West wrote:
>
>> Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
>> 
>>> You need this:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cI8P4zX-w
>>>
>>> Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights - Seattle 1990
>>>
>>> This guy's even better:
>> 
>> No! No one is better than RT!
>> Except Danny Thompson.
>
> <8 year old Schoolboy>
> You love him.
> </8 year old Schoolboy>

Danny? No, I *worship* him.

> Try this - if I could play guitar like this, I wouldn't care if my
> cock fell off.

I'd sell my cock to play like Danny.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knc7tG6fcx0
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohmSPv-rtSQ

-- 
I want to see the bright lights tonight

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:03:59 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:27:32 +0100, August West wrote:
>
>> Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
>> 
>>> You need this:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cI8P4zX-w
>>>
>>> Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights - Seattle 1990
>>>
>>> This guy's even better:
>> 
>> No! No one is better than RT!
>> Except Danny Thompson.
>
><8 year old Schoolboy>
>You love him.
></8 year old Schoolboy>
>
>Try this - if I could play guitar like this, I wouldn't care if my cock
>fell off.

I used to have a shrink who specialised in orchidectomies. I think he
had something wrong with him.

Not as badly wrong with him as the MI5 HorrorFags who have been
abusing me again on this mindcontrol today, though.
-- 
YouTube Video of MI5 HorrorFags; www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e9x0TwHkbY
Jealous Gay Agents Masturbating Outside Window; www.mi5.com/evidence/#britspy
MI5 Tried to Kill Me in Florida 17/Nov/2001; www.mi5.com/evidence/#deathsquad
MindControl Torture and Proof It's Real; www.mi5.com/evidence/mc/mc.htm

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:33:47 +0100, Sam Nelson wrote:

> In article ,
>  Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:27:32 +0100, August West wrote:
>>> Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
>>>> You need this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cI8P4zX-w
>>>>
>>>> Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights - Seattle 1990
>>>>
>>>> This guy's even better:
>>> 
>>> No! No one is better than RT!
>>> Except Danny Thompson.
>> 
>> <8 year old Schoolboy>
>> You love him.
>> </8 year old Schoolboy>
>> 
>> Try this - if I could play guitar like this, I wouldn't care if my cock
>> fell off.
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJq2eKK3Fc
> 
> I'd pick Bill Nelson, with a side order of George Thorogood.

Richard Pinhas - Give it time, he's France's answer to Fripp, and has a
doctorate from the Sorbonne on the physical aspects of time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6dft_tfahw

Then there's the man who stopped me playing guitar. He was in the backing
groups for Shirley Bassey and Morcambe and Wise. Then he invented
non-idiomatic improvisation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P5raW49kQM

Like the music or not, his technique is astounding.


-- 
The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and 
play.

In article <gkdwo59cormi.z06amzdpqkhl$.dlg@40tude.net>, 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> Richard Pinhas - Give it time, he's France's answer to Fripp, and has a
> doctorate from the Sorbonne on the physical aspects of time.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6dft_tfahw

I struggle to figure out what's actually going on there.

> Then there's the man who stopped me playing guitar. He was in the backing
> groups for Shirley Bassey and Morcambe and Wise. Then he invented
> non-idiomatic improvisation.
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P5raW49kQM

Good grief.  And I thought Bill Nelson's triple album of doorbell music 
was pretty extreme.  See also

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLa8Br569gA

> Like the music or not, his technique is astounding.

Presumably the bit at the beginning is checking it's tuned.  It's 
difficult to tell.  It's disappointing that the reaction of his audience 
isn't shown, particularly how long it took them to figure out that he'd 
finished.
-- 
SAm.

On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:32:40 +0100, Sam Nelson wrote:

> In article <gkdwo59cormi.z06amzdpqkhl$.dlg@40tude.net>, 
> watercress@spamcop.org says...
>> Richard Pinhas - Give it time, he's France's answer to Fripp, and has a
>> doctorate from the Sorbonne on the physical aspects of time.
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6dft_tfahw
> 
> I struggle to figure out what's actually going on there.
> 
>> Then there's the man who stopped me playing guitar. He was in the backing
>> groups for Shirley Bassey and Morcambe and Wise. Then he invented
>> non-idiomatic improvisation.
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P5raW49kQM
> 
> Good grief.  And I thought Bill Nelson's triple album of doorbell music 
> was pretty extreme.  See also
> 
>   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLa8Br569gA
> 
>> Like the music or not, his technique is astounding.
> 
> Presumably the bit at the beginning is checking it's tuned.  It's 
> difficult to tell.  It's disappointing that the reaction of his audience 
> isn't shown, particularly how long it took them to figure out that he'd 
> finished.

Sadly I only saw him live once, with the percussive genius Eddie Prevost of
AMM(12). It's the sort of music that, once you "get it", draws you in
entirely.

(12) AMM - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMM_(group)


-- 
I have always wished that my computer would be as easy
to use as my telephone. My wish has come true. I no 
longer know how to use my telephone.

In article , sam@ssrl.org.uk says...
> In article ,
>  Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
> > On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:27:32 +0100, August West wrote:
> > > Hot Badger Deluxe  writes:
> > >> You need this:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6cI8P4zX-w
> > >>
> > >> Richard Thompson - Shoot Out The Lights - Seattle 1990
> > >>
> > >> This guy's even better:
> > > 
> > > No! No one is better than RT!
> > > Except Danny Thompson.
> > 
> > <8 year old Schoolboy>
> > You love him.
> > </8 year old Schoolboy>
> > 
> > Try this - if I could play guitar like this, I wouldn't care if my cock
> > fell off.
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoJq2eKK3Fc
> 
> I'd pick Bill Nelson, with a side order of George Thorogood.
> 

Thing with Bill Nelson is that he never really worked out what he wanted 
to do with his talent. On record there are a few utterly sublime moments 
of genius, and then a load of close but no cigar tracks. Live he was a 
tad more consistently interesting, but nonetheless always left me with 
the impression that he wasn't always doing much more than going through 
the motions. Fabulous guitarist nonetheless, but I'd not want to be him.

George Thorogood is kind of the opposite. Utterly wonderful within a 
limited range, and never did much to move beyond that. So he ends up 
being a second rank guitarist despite having the potential to be a great. 
Just too focused.

Give me Andy (Primal Scream) Innes every time. Capable of pretty much 
anything any other guitarist can do, but solely playing for the sake of 
the song.

I'm happy enough playing like me. I'm not the most technically adept 
guitarist in history. In fact when it comes to formal technique I may 
well be in the worst 5% of guitarists ever to get paid to play. On the 
other hand there is absolutely nobody else in the entire world who plays 
the way I do. So I don't really have any choice. I have to play like me 
because no bugger else does.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

On 2008-06-18, Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P5raW49kQM
>
> Like the music or not, his technique is astounding.

What music? There was a lot of tuning up, but no music.


-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]

On 2008-06-18, Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:

> Sadly I only saw him live once, with the percussive genius Eddie Prevost of
> AMM(12). It's the sort of music that, once you "get it", draws you in
> entirely.

Actually, it's the kind of music that sends you out. Anywhere you can't hear it
any more.


-- 
          "Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain
                 and presumptuous desire for a second one."
               [email me at huge {at} huge (dot) org <dot> uk]

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:04:34 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:

<snip>

> Thing with Bill Nelson is that he never really worked out what he wanted 
> to do with his talent. On record there are a few utterly sublime moments 
> of genius, and then a load of close but no cigar tracks.

"The Love That Whirls" and "Chimera" are wonderful. His bass playing on the
former was a major factor in me buying a bass guitar. Bowie was going to
play sax on Chimera, but sadly couldn't fit the recording dates into his
schedule. Red Noise were great too.

The first paragraph of his bio on allmusic.com (a very handy site) is spot
on:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:fifpxqr5ld6e

<quote>
Bill Nelson is both an enigma and a highly public person whose motivations
sometimes seem shrouded in complex mysteries, yet whose sometimes
prodigious output amounts to public development of song ideas and musical
experiments. He has been both a guitar hero and the background figure in
any number of art installations, exhibitions and theatrical presentations.
While difficult for record company executives to grasp and often obscure to
the general public, Nelson has nonetheless built up a strong and loyal fan
base around the world.
</quote>

Be Bop Deluxe did some good stuff too -  "Maid In Heaven" is great:

She's a maid in heaven
He's a knight on the tiles
A bat out of hell, oh well.
Its just a question of style.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0bRdGdAzeE

OK - now I'm going to have to watch all of the Be Bop Deluxe videos on You
Tube. I may be some time...

PS: I mistyped You Tube as You Tuber - presumably a website for root
vegetable fans.


-- 
Nine-tenths of the people were created so you would want to be
with the other tenth.

In article <g3d5ek$1ms$3@anubis.demon.co.uk>, Huge@nowhere.much.invalid 
says...
> On 2008-06-18, Hot Badger Deluxe  wrote:
> 
> > Sadly I only saw him live once, with the percussive genius Eddie Prevost of
> > AMM(12). It's the sort of music that, once you "get it", draws you in
> > entirely.
> 
> Actually, it's the kind of music that sends you out. Anywhere you can't hear it
> any more.
> 

What you need is S.A.D. <http://www.billyjenkins.com/recordings.html> The 
great Billy Jenkins vowing never to play modern jazz again.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:41:51 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:

<snip>

> Billy Jenkins

I initially thought "ah - the jazz violinist". Which he isn't, so who the
fuck was I thinking of?


-- 
Maybe this world is another planet's Hell.

In article ,
 Buddha Rhubarb Butter  writes:
> Thing with Bill Nelson is that he never really worked out what he wanted 
> to do with his talent. On record there are a few utterly sublime moments 
> of genius, and then a load of close but no cigar tracks. Live he was a 
> tad more consistently interesting, but nonetheless always left me with 
> the impression that he wasn't always doing much more than going through 
> the motions. Fabulous guitarist nonetheless, but I'd not want to be him.

Given that I have enough income doing other stuff, I'd be quite happy
to be able to play guitar like Bill Nelson for my own amusement.  That, I
thought, was the point---I don't think having to have the same career was
involved.

I saw him on his `retirement' tour, so at least a) I don't have to go to
my grave (or whatever) without having heard Maid In Heaven live, and b) I
have confirmation that Panic In The World is indeed pretty painful and
RSI-inducing stuff, if you're the bassist.

> George Thorogood is kind of the opposite. Utterly wonderful within a 
> limited range, and never did much to move beyond that. So he ends up 
> being a second rank guitarist despite having the potential to be a great. 
> Just too focused.

When I'm cleaning all three bathrooms with the iPod in the corner and
shuffle picks Thorogood, I have to stop and listen.  That's good enough
for me.  Again, putting up with the career doesn't come into it.
-- 
SAm.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:47:11 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:41:51 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>> Billy Jenkins
> 
> I initially thought "ah - the jazz violinist". Which he isn't, so who the
> fuck was I thinking of?

Billy Bang?

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:07:51 GMT, Fevric J Glandules wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:47:11 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

<snop>

>> I initially thought "ah - the jazz violinist". Which he isn't, so who the
>> fuck was I thinking of?
> 
> Billy Bang?

Probably a mix of him and Leroy Jenkins.


-- 
No drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society.
If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test
people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, 
greed and love of power.

In article <1ejqp0m6hmgn7$.113h8akr7ltns.dlg@40tude.net>, 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:41:51 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Billy Jenkins
> 
> I initially thought "ah - the jazz violinist". Which he isn't, so who the
> fuck was I thinking of?
> 

I'd have thought you would be fairly familiar with Billy's stuff. At 
least some of the Voice of God collective recordings. Sounds Like 
Bromley, Scratches of Spain, and Greenwich are pretty much essential for 
anyone who appreciates truly insane guitar playing.

-- 
eric
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

> "The Love That Whirls" and "Chimera"

Ah, chimera, there's a nice word. In a group I played in once the singer 
wanted to call it 'electric chimera', he was a bit of an intellectual 
but the girls liked him so we put up with it. None of us knew what a 
chimera was so in the end we decided on the much more sensible name of 
'The Guy Fawkes Cutlery Band'

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:07:36 +0100, Buddha Rhubarb Butter wrote:

<snip Billy Jenkins>

> I'd have thought you would be fairly familiar with Billy's stuff. At 
> least some of the Voice of God collective recordings. Sounds Like 
> Bromley, Scratches of Spain, and Greenwich are pretty much essential for 
> anyone who appreciates truly insane guitar playing.

Doesn't really do it for me - sounds like a less adventurous Henry
Threadgill (Too Much Sugar For a Dime is a brilliant album). 

One word - Jandek.

He's a real love of hate musician. A true outsider who pays no attention to
traditional music.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2q4xuQrODw

When it comes to serious guitar hero stuff - here's Keiji Haino with Pan
Sonic. Haino's been doing this stuff for years (he's 56 this year), and
although he does a wide range of music, is always recognisable.

I have several of his albums, but only play them when the moment is right.

And then their is Keith Rowe (formally of AMM), who is up with Derek Bailey
and Fred Frith in reinventing the guitar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnUVpiFHhmM

You'll probably hate it - if so, get pissed, and then play it loud.


As John Cage said - "You don't have to call it music if the term offends
you."


-- 
This fish is rubbery.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:21:47 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:

> When it comes to serious guitar hero stuff - here's Keiji Haino with Pan
> Sonic.

Bugger - forgot the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN3gwzxkHp4


-- 
Those who say it cannot be done should
not interrupt the people doing it.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:49:55 +0200, John of Aix wrote:

> Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:
> 
>> "The Love That Whirls" and "Chimera"
> 
> Ah, chimera, there's a nice word. In a group I played in once the singer 
> wanted to call it 'electric chimera', he was a bit of an intellectual 
> but the girls liked him so we put up with it. None of us knew what a 
> chimera was so in the end we decided on the much more sensible name of 
> 'The Guy Fawkes Cutlery Band'

My favourite band name was "Great Big Penis", who we (Pump) supported a
couple of times. A group who writes songs about both Pierre Boulez (1) and
sumo wrestling is fine by me.

I nearly joined a group who were going to be called Bucket Cunt, but the
vocalist was sectioned. They ended up being called My Catholic Enemy, sans
moi.


(1) "Pete Boulez, that's my name, serial composition is my game".


-- 
It might be a good idea if the various countries of the world
would occasionally swap history books, just to see what other 
people are doing with the same set of facts.

Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:49:55 +0200, John of Aix wrote:
>
>> Hot Badger Deluxe wrote:
>>
>>> "The Love That Whirls" and "Chimera"
>>
>> Ah, chimera, there's a nice word. In a group I played in once the
>> singer wanted to call it 'electric chimera', he was a bit of an
>> intellectual but the girls liked him so we put up with it. None of
>> us knew what a chimera was so in the end we decided on the much more
>> sensible name of 'The Guy Fawkes Cutlery Band'
>
> My favourite band name was "Great Big Penis", who we (Pump) supported
> a couple of times. A group who writes songs about both Pierre Boulez
> (1) and sumo wrestling is fine by me.

Not bad but Pierre Boulez doing Sumo wrstling would undoubtedly be 
funnier, if somewhat far-fetched

>
> I nearly joined a group who were going to be called Bucket Cunt, but
> the vocalist was sectioned. They ended up being called My Catholic
> Enemy, sans moi.

Names are a bastard when you're setting up a group. I can't tell you how 
many beers it takes to finally decide on one via bits of paper in a hat.

> (1) "Pete Boulez, that's my name, serial composition is my game".

Olly Messiaen says it's shit because he taught him all of it.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:29:17 +0200, John of Aix wrote:

<snip>

>> I nearly joined a group who were going to be called Bucket Cunt, but
>> the vocalist was sectioned. They ended up being called My Catholic
>> Enemy, sans moi.
> 
> Names are a bastard when you're setting up a group. I can't tell you how 
> many beers it takes to finally decide on one via bits of paper in a hat.
> 
>> (1) "Pete Boulez, that's my name, serial composition is my game".
> 
> Olly Messiaen says it's shit because he taught him all of it.

Strangely the group comprised composer Laurence Crane (1) on vocals,
property developer (aka rich bloke) and artistic thingy Andrew Renton doing
programming, and, for the above track, composer Graham Fitkin (2) playing a
serialist keyboard solo. 


(1) http://tinyurl.com/4y2tgo
<http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=182247319>

(2) http://www.fitkin.com/


-- 
If you're feeling good, don't worry. You'll get over it.

On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:29:17 +0200, John of Aix wrote:

> Names are a bastard when you're setting up a group. I can't tell you how 
> many beers it takes to finally decide on one via bits of paper in a hat.

Feh.  After a few - groups, not beers, that is - you realise that the
time is better spent rehearsing, and the name choosing comes about 
ten minutes before you go on to do your first public performance.

I'm surprised there's not *more* groups around called "Ask Him" or "Dunno,
I'm Only The Bass Player", or "Good Question"...

-- 
One way ticket from Mornington Crescent to Tannhauser Gate please.

Fevric J Glandules <fevric@invalid.invalid> writes:

> Feh.  After a few - groups, not beers, that is - you realise that the
> time is better spent rehearsing, and the name choosing comes about 
> ten minutes before you go on to do your first public performance.

F'rex, Gomez got their name by acident - they left a note outside the
room they were playing - for someone called Gomez - and people thought
they *were* Gomez.

I can't even remember the names of the bands I've been in.

-- 
did you hear who did what to whom?

In uk.misc,  (Fevric J Glandules) wrote in <0LA6k.12440$E41.11975@text.news.virginmedia.com>::

>On Thu, 19 Jun 2008 23:29:17 퍭, John of Aix wrote:
>
>> Names are a bastard when you're setting up a group. I can't tell you how 
>> many beers it takes to finally decide on one via bits of paper in a hat.
>
>Feh.  After a few - groups, not beers, that is - you realise that the
>time is better spent rehearsing, and the name choosing comes about 
>ten minutes before you go on to do your first public performance.
>
>I'm surprised there's not *more* groups around called "Ask Him" or "Dunno,
>I'm Only The Bass Player", or "Good Question"...

My niece briefly had a band called "There's Always Carrots".
-- 
Marc

Your question only makes any sense at all if you completely ignore
the point I was making.  You are welcome, of course, to continue
ignoring me, but it would probably be more efficient use of your time to
do so with less typing.            - Darkhawk