On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:06:26 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:45:48 +0100, JAF wrote:
><snip>
>
>> And don't tell me Fortean Times says he's rubbish; they have a vested in
>> interest in nuttiness if anyone does.
>
>Cite.

Read any issue.
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:35:12 +0100, JAF wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:06:26 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>  wrote:
> 
>>On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:45:48 +0100, JAF wrote:
>><snip>
>>
>>> And don't tell me Fortean Times says he's rubbish; they have a vested in
>>> interest in nuttiness if anyone does.
>>
>>Cite.
> 
> Read any issue.

I've been a subscriber for years - they print articles which are of
interest, not that they agree with. They regularly slam such bollocks as
The Da Vinci Code, etc. They're open minded, which IMHO is the best option
(see Wittgenstein's On Certainty):

<quote>
12. - For "I know" seems to describe a state of affairs which guarantees
what is known, guarantees it as a fact. One always forgets the expression
"I thought I knew".
</quote>

Now there's an idea to live one's life by.

For the whole thing.

http://budni.by.ru/oncertainty.html


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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:44:37 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

> They're open minded, which IMHO is the best option

So?
They still make money out of selling their rag.

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:13:52 +0100, JAF wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:44:37 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>  wrote:
> 
>> They're open minded, which IMHO is the best option
> 
> So?
> They still make money out of selling their rag.

Yes, they do, and? Watch those goalposts move.

Are you suggesting that such things should not be discussed? Take Crop
Circles. They exist. What causes them is not known. Doug and Dave claimed
to had made them all, which is clearly bollocks. Whoever makes them - why?
And I'm not looking for a pat answer - or "explaining them away". Ditto
UFOs - I doubt that they are alien spacecraft, but what causes the
perception of such things?

And what abut the rest of my post, especially:

<quote>
12. - For "I know" seems to describe a state of affairs which guarantees
what is known, guarantees it as a fact. One always forgets the expression
"I thought I knew".
</quote>


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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:24:35 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:13:52 +0100, JAF wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 17:44:37 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> They're open minded, which IMHO is the best option
>> 
>> So?
>> They still make money out of selling their rag.
>
>Yes, they do, and? Watch those goalposts move.

If they're moving, you did it.
The vested interest I spoke of is right there.  They sell a magazine.
I'm not saying they shouldn't, only that they do.
>
>Are you suggesting that such things should not be discussed? Take Crop
>Circles. They exist. What causes them is not known. Doug and Dave claimed
>to had made them all, which is clearly bollocks. Whoever makes them - why?
>And I'm not looking for a pat answer - or "explaining them away". Ditto
>UFOs - I doubt that they are alien spacecraft, but what causes the
>perception of such things?
>
Where have you been for the past twenty or thirty years?

>And what abut the rest of my post, especially:
>
><quote>
>12. - For "I know" seems to describe a state of affairs which guarantees
>what is known, guarantees it as a fact. One always forgets the expression
>"I thought I knew".
></quote>

What about it?
I can't see how it's relevant.  Does it excuse scams, snake-oil and other
assorted bollocks?
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:29:33 +0100, JAF wrote:

<snip>

>><quote>
>>12. - For "I know" seems to describe a state of affairs which guarantees
>>what is known, guarantees it as a fact. One always forgets the expression
>>"I thought I knew".
>></quote>
> 
> What about it?
> I can't see how it's relevant.  Does it excuse scams, snake-oil and other
> assorted bollocks?

You're the one claiming to be _certain_ about various issues.


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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:46:37 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
 wrote:

>You're the one claiming to be _certain_ about various issues.

What, that a 7,000 dollar cable isn't worth it?
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:14:44 +0100, August West  wrote:

>JAF  writes:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:46:37 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>You're the one claiming to be _certain_ about various issues.
>>
>> What, that a 7,000 dollar cable isn't worth it?
>
>"If I could use a rusty boxcutter to carve a new orifice in my body
> that's compatible with this link cable, I would already be doing it. I
> can just imagine the pure musical goodness that would flow through this
> cable into the wound and fill me completely -- like white, holy
> light. Holding this cable in my hands actually makes me feel that much
> closer to the Lord Jesus"
>
>http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_pr_link_next_2?%5Fencoding=UTF8&pageNumber=2&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending

Wow.  And all that from a mere 500 dollar cable!
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JF wrote:
> In message , Hot Badger
> Deluxe  writes
>
>> Are you suggesting that such things should not be discussed? Take
>> Crop Circles. They exist. What causes them is not known.
>
> My wife and I once spent a fascinating few minutes on Blackdown's
> Temple of the Winds watching a mischievous dust devil and its two
> offspring wreak havoc on a field of barley. Dust devils on still
> evenings in late summer over the Weald can cause considerable
> trouble. Even a rabbit running across a field can set them off.

I'm out in Poonah and, thick as I am I don't know what a Dust Devil is. 
Google seems to tell me it is some sort of motor vehicle but I can't see 
how rabbits would 'set them off' unless they're running on rabbit blood 
or something. Could you explain.

JAF wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 21:14:44 +0100, August West 
> wrote:
>
>> JAF  writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:46:37 +0100, Hot Badger Deluxe
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> You're the one claiming to be _certain_ about various issues.
>>>
>>> What, that a 7,000 dollar cable isn't worth it?
>>
>> "If I could use a rusty boxcutter to carve a new orifice in my body
>> that's compatible with this link cable, I would already be doing it.
>> I can just imagine the pure musical goodness that would flow through
>> this cable into the wound and fill me completely -- like white, holy
>> light. Holding this cable in my hands actually makes me feel that
>> much closer to the Lord Jesus"
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/review/product/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_pr_link_next_2?%5Fencoding=UTF8&pageNumber=2&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending
>
> Wow.  And all that from a mere 500 dollar cable!

Yep, once you get past 1000 it's immediate sainthood. Ain't hi-fi great?

Fevric J Glandules wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jun 2008 23:38:25 +0200, John of Aix wrote:
>
>> I'm out in Poonah and, thick as I am I don't know what a Dust Devil
>> is. Google seems to tell me it is some sort of motor vehicle but I
>> can't see how rabbits would 'set them off' unless they're running on
>> rabbit blood or something. Could you explain.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_devil

Thankee.

In article , 
watercress@spamcop.org says...
> 
> Are you suggesting that such things should not be discussed? Take Crop
> Circles. They exist. What causes them is not known. Doug and Dave claimed
> to had made them all, which is clearly bollocks. Whoever makes them - why?
> And I'm not looking for a pat answer - or "explaining them away". Ditto
> UFOs - I doubt that they are alien spacecraft, but what causes the
> perception of such things?
> 

Crop Circles are made by human beings. That is known. In many cases it is 
thoroughly documented.

<http://www.circlemakers.org/>

Some people make them for a laugh. Some people make them as a form of 
art. Some people make them for money (a pub or B&B somewhere that has 
become a regular haunt of "cerealogists" can make quite a decent profit 
from it).

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