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date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:32:08 -0000,    group: uk.gov.social-security        back       
Part time working ?   
If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be quite 
a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live could I 
still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self would not cover 
my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing benefit/council tax at the 
mo

cheers.

Far.
date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:32:08 -0000   author:   Farcry

Re: Part time working ?   
Farcry wrote:
> If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be 
> quite a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live 
> could I still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self 
> would not cover my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing 
> benefit/council tax at the mo
> 
> cheers.
> 
> Far.

There's no straightforward yes or no answer. It depends on how much you 
earn and whether you may have entitlement to tax credits and for the 
latter, that in itself depends on hours worked, possibly your age and 
whether you have dependant children or a disability that puts you at a 
disadvantage and have received certain benefits in the recent past.
date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:56:35 +0000   author:   Robbie

Re: Part time working ?   
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:32:08 -0000, "Farcry"
 wrote:

>If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be quite 
>a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live could I 
>still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self would not cover 
>my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing benefit/council tax at the 
>mo
>

It will depend on your income and personal circumstances. If you know
how much you are going to get paid you can ask your local CAB to run
over the figures and give you some idea. On 20 hours a week at minimum
wage and single it is almost certain you would be entitled to some
council tax/housing benefit but probably not much more.
date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:51:42 +0000   author:   Fedup

Re: Part time working ?   
"Robbie"  wrote in message 
news:7l0nmgF3b7t2dU1@mid.individual.net...
> Farcry wrote:
>> If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be 
>> quite a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live 
>> could I still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self 
>> would not cover my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing 
>> benefit/council tax at the mo
>>
>> cheers.
>>
>> Far.
>
> There's no straightforward yes or no answer. It depends on how much you 
> earn and whether you may have entitlement to tax credits and for the 
> latter, that in itself depends on hours worked, possibly your age and 
> whether you have dependant children or a disability that puts you at a 
> disadvantage and have received certain benefits in the recent past.


Bugger I feared as much if I took a part time job then couldn't get HB I 
would be in deep shit with my rent and if then  I packed  the job in I would 
get no JSA for god knows how long  that's my main concern but  then again a 
part time job could lead to something better even more permanent later on...

thanks for reply.

Farcry.
date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:52:48 -0000   author:   Farcry

Re: Part time working ?   
"Fedup"  wrote in message 
news:jscme5hu31u68ef0q1d1qosv3623990v48@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:32:08 -0000, "Farcry"
>  wrote:
>
>>If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be 
>>quite
>>a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live could I
>>still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self would not 
>>cover
>>my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing benefit/council tax at the
>>mo
>>
>
> It will depend on your income and personal circumstances. If you know
> how much you are going to get paid you can ask your local CAB to run
> over the figures and give you some idea. On 20 hours a week at minimum
> wage and single it is almost certain you would be entitled to some
> council tax/housing benefit but probably not much more.

Aye I'll ask my local advice centre for some definitive answers. I would 
like to know if its viable hopefully it will be.

cheers

Far.
date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:59:28 -0000   author:   Farcry

Re: Part time working ?   
Farcry wrote:
> 
> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
> news:7l0nmgF3b7t2dU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Farcry wrote:
>>> If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to 
>>> be quite a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I 
>>> live could I still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it 
>>> self would not cover my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing 
>>> benefit/council tax at the mo
>>>
>>> cheers.
>>>
>>> Far.
>>
>> There's no straightforward yes or no answer. It depends on how much 
>> you earn and whether you may have entitlement to tax credits and for 
>> the latter, that in itself depends on hours worked, possibly your age 
>> and whether you have dependant children or a disability that puts you 
>> at a disadvantage and have received certain benefits in the recent past.
> 
> 
> Bugger I feared as much if I took a part time job then couldn't get HB I 
> would be in deep shit with my rent and if then  I packed  the job in I 
> would get no JSA for god knows how long  that's my main concern but  
> then again a part time job could lead to something better even more 
> permanent later on...
> 
> thanks for reply.
> 
> Farcry.

You may get HB / CTB. Without full details of your circumstances it's 
impossible to make a calculation as to what amount that may be.
date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:36:19 +0000   author:   Robbie

Re: Part time working ?   
On 30 Oct, 18:52, "Farcry"  wrote:
> "Robbie"  wrote in message
>
> news:7l0nmgF3b7t2dU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Farcry wrote:
> >> If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be
> >> quite a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live
> >> could I still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self
> >> would not cover my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing
> >> benefit/council tax at the mo
>
> >> cheers.
>
> >> Far.
>
> > There's no straightforward yes or no answer. It depends on how much you
> > earn and whether you may have entitlement to tax credits and for the
> > latter, that in itself depends on hours worked, possibly your age and
> > whether you have dependant children or a disability that puts you at a
> > disadvantage and have received certain benefits in the recent past.
>
> Bugger I feared as much if I took a part time job then couldn't get HB I
> would be in deep shit with my rent and if then  I packed  the job in I would
> get no JSA for god knows how long  that's my main concern but  then again a
> part time job could lead to something better even more permanent later on> thanks for reply.
>
> Farcry.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Can always do more than 1 part time job.

Martin  <><
date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:27:10 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Part time working ?   
"Farcry"  wrote in message 
news:HIGGm.9778$Ah3.4595@newsfe01.ams2...
>
> "Fedup"  wrote in message 
> news:jscme5hu31u68ef0q1d1qosv3623990v48@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:32:08 -0000, "Farcry"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be 
>>>quite
>>>a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live could I
>>>still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self would not 
>>>cover
>>>my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing benefit/council tax at 
>>>the
>>>mo
>>>
>>
>> It will depend on your income and personal circumstances. If you know
>> how much you are going to get paid you can ask your local CAB to run
>> over the figures and give you some idea. On 20 hours a week at minimum
>> wage and single it is almost certain you would be entitled to some
>> council tax/housing benefit but probably not much more.
>
> Aye I'll ask my local advice centre for some definitive answers. I would 
> like to know if its viable hopefully it will be.
>

This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek 
professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a 
remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without 
jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:43:30 -0000   author:   Niteawk

Re: Part time working ?   
"Farcry"  wrote in message 
news:HIGGm.9778$Ah3.4595@newsfe01.ams2...
>
> "Fedup"  wrote in message 
> news:jscme5hu31u68ef0q1d1qosv3623990v48@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:32:08 -0000, "Farcry"
>>  wrote:
>>
>>>If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be 
>>>quite
>>>a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live could I
>>>still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self would not 
>>>cover
>>>my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing benefit/council tax at 
>>>the
>>>mo
>>>
>>
>> It will depend on your income and personal circumstances. If you know
>> how much you are going to get paid you can ask your local CAB to run
>> over the figures and give you some idea. On 20 hours a week at minimum
>> wage and single it is almost certain you would be entitled to some
>> council tax/housing benefit but probably not much more.
>
> Aye I'll ask my local advice centre for some definitive answers. I would 
> like to know if its viable hopefully it will be.
>

This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek 
professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a 
remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without 
jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 11:44:28 -0000   author:   Niteawk

Re: Part time working ?   
"Niteawk"  wrote in message 
news:0eWdnczqdouGvnHXnZ2dnUVZ8kcAAAAA@bt.com...
>
>
> This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek 
> professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a 
> remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without 
> jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
Or you could look at it another way, and thank our government for being so 
generous in providing its less fortunate citizens with sufficient benefits 
that the benefits and allowances are now exceeding what some jobs pay, even 
after our generous government have made sure that all workers now get paid a 
minimum of £232 before stoppages, for a 40 hour week. If the  minimum wage 
had not been introduced, this figure would probably be around £160.
date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:08:52 -0000   author:   Harry Stottle

Re: Part time working ?   
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:08:52 -0000, "Harry Stottle"
 wrote:

>"Niteawk"  wrote in message 
>news:0eWdnczqdouGvnHXnZ2dnUVZ8kcAAAAA@bt.com...
>>
>>
>> This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek 
>> professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a 
>> remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without 
>> jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
>Or you could look at it another way, and thank our government for being so 
>generous in providing its less fortunate citizens with sufficient benefits 
>that the benefits and allowances are now exceeding what some jobs pay, even 
>after our generous government have made sure that all workers now get paid a 
>minimum of £232 before stoppages, for a 40 hour week. If the  minimum wage 
>had not been introduced, this figure would probably be around £160.
>

And even on that the incomes of many have to be subsidised by the
taxpayer in order to survive. The term 'fucked up state' is not
inaccurate when applied to the United Kingdom and hasn't been for
about 30 years.
date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:07:32 +0000   author:   Fedup

Re: Part time working ?   
On 31 Oct, 13:08, "Harry Stottle"  wrote:
> "Niteawk"  wrote in message
>
> news:0eWdnczqdouGvnHXnZ2dnUVZ8kcAAAAA@bt.com...
>
> > This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek
> > professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a
> > remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without
> > jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
>
> Or you could look at it another way, and thank our government for being so
> generous in providing its less fortunate citizens with sufficient benefits
> that the benefits and allowances are now exceeding what some jobs pay, even
> after our generous government have made sure that all workers now get paid a
> minimum of £232 before stoppages, for a 40 hour week. If the  minimum wage
> had not been introduced, this figure would probably be around £160.

When I lived in Blackpool there were a number of workers on £2 an hour
- including mature people, not just teenagers. They'd only get £160
for working an 80 hour week - and some did, simply to pay the bills.
That was only 15 years ago.

Martin  <><
date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:15:13 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Part time working ?   
On 31 Oct, 14:07, Fedup  wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:08:52 -0000, "Harry Stottle"
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >"Niteawk"  wrote in message
> >news:0eWdnczqdouGvnHXnZ2dnUVZ8kcAAAAA@bt.com...
>
> >> This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek
> >> professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a
> >> remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without
> >> jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
> >Or you could look at it another way, and thank our government for being so
> >generous in providing its less fortunate citizens with sufficient benefits
> >that the benefits and allowances are now exceeding what some jobs pay, even
> >after our generous government have made sure that all workers now get paid a
> >minimum of £232 before stoppages, for a 40 hour week. If the  minimum wage
> >had not been introduced, this figure would probably be around £160.
>
> And even on that the incomes of many have to be subsidised by the
> taxpayer in order to survive. The term 'fucked up state' is not
> inaccurate when applied to the United Kingdom and hasn't been for
> about 30 years.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

True, its fucked up. But its the state we've got.
Any changes the government tries to make are blasted by bleeding heart
liberals, those who receive money and those who could be threatened by
it. Not to mention the media, using the term loosely for such as the
daily mail.


Martin  <><
date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:16:45 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Part time working ?   
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:16:45 -0700 (PDT), "mart2306@hotmail.com"
 wrote:

>On 31 Oct, 14:07, Fedup  wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:08:52 -0000, "Harry Stottle"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >"Niteawk"  wrote in message
>> >news:0eWdnczqdouGvnHXnZ2dnUVZ8kcAAAAA@bt.com...
>>
>> >> This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek
>> >> professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a
>> >> remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without
>> >> jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
>> >Or you could look at it another way, and thank our government for being so
>> >generous in providing its less fortunate citizens with sufficient benefits
>> >that the benefits and allowances are now exceeding what some jobs pay, even
>> >after our generous government have made sure that all workers now get paid a
>> >minimum of £232 before stoppages, for a 40 hour week. If the  minimum wage
>> >had not been introduced, this figure would probably be around £160.
>>
>> And even on that the incomes of many have to be subsidised by the
>> taxpayer in order to survive. The term 'fucked up state' is not
>> inaccurate when applied to the United Kingdom and hasn't been for
>> about 30 years.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>True, its fucked up. But its the state we've got.
>Any changes the government tries to make are blasted by bleeding heart
>liberals, 

Pleas don't confuse english liberalist politics with that of the
LibDems or the American version of 'liberal'. 
http://www.liberal.org.uk/

>those who receive money 

Lots of highly paid state employees. Many could be claimed to be
overpaid.

>and those who could be threatened by
>it. Not to mention the media, using the term loosely for such as the
>daily mail.
>

>
>Martin  <><
date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:34:43 +0000   author:   Fedup

Re: Part time working ?   
On 31 Oct, 15:34, Fedup  wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:16:45 -0700 (PDT), "mart2...@hotmail.com"
>
>
>
>
>
>  wrote:
> >On 31 Oct, 14:07, Fedup  wrote:
> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:08:52 -0000, "Harry Stottle"
>
> >>  wrote:
> >> >"Niteawk"  wrote in message
> >> >news:0eWdnczqdouGvnHXnZ2dnUVZ8kcAAAAA@bt.com...
>
> >> >> This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek
> >> >> professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a
> >> >> remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without
> >> >> jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
> >> >Or you could look at it another way, and thank our government for being so
> >> >generous in providing its less fortunate citizens with sufficient benefits
> >> >that the benefits and allowances are now exceeding what some jobs pay, even
> >> >after our generous government have made sure that all workers now get paid a
> >> >minimum of £232 before stoppages, for a 40 hour week. If the  minimum wage
> >> >had not been introduced, this figure would probably be around £160.
>
> >> And even on that the incomes of many have to be subsidised by the
> >> taxpayer in order to survive. The term 'fucked up state' is not
> >> inaccurate when applied to the United Kingdom and hasn't been for
> >> about 30 years.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >True, its fucked up. But its the state we've got.
> >Any changes the government tries to make are blasted by bleeding heart
> >liberals,
>
> Pleas don't confuse english liberalist politics with that of the
> LibDems or the American version of 'liberal'.http://www.liberal.org.uk/
>
> >those who receive money
>
> Lots of highly paid state employees. Many could be claimed to be
> overpaid.
>
>
>
> >and those who could be threatened by
> >it. Not to mention the media, using the term loosely for such as the
> >daily mail.
>
> >Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm not confusing anything with the LibDems. Many bleeding heart
liberals aren't members of the LibDems, maybe not members of any
political party.
Doesn't prevent them screaming about any change that can affect
others. So we stay on the path we are on, regardless of end
consequence.....

Martin  <><
date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:29:44 -0700 (PDT)   author:   unknown

Re: Part time working ?   
On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:29:44 -0700 (PDT), "mart2306@hotmail.com"
 wrote:

>On 31 Oct, 15:34, Fedup  wrote:
>> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 08:16:45 -0700 (PDT), "mart2...@hotmail.com"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  wrote:
>> >On 31 Oct, 14:07, Fedup  wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:08:52 -0000, "Harry Stottle"
>>
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> >"Niteawk"  wrote in message
>> >> >news:0eWdnczqdouGvnHXnZ2dnUVZ8kcAAAAA@bt.com...
>>
>> >> >> This shows what a fucked up state we are in when you have to seek
>> >> >> professional help to see if you can survive in work. Anyone fancy doing a
>> >> >> remake of Oliver, please sir, I want to know if I can live without
>> >> >> jobseekers allowance and HB if I get a job.
>> >> >Or you could look at it another way, and thank our government for being so
>> >> >generous in providing its less fortunate citizens with sufficient benefits
>> >> >that the benefits and allowances are now exceeding what some jobs pay, even
>> >> >after our generous government have made sure that all workers now get paid a
>> >> >minimum of £232 before stoppages, for a 40 hour week. If the  minimum wage
>> >> >had not been introduced, this figure would probably be around £160.
>>
>> >> And even on that the incomes of many have to be subsidised by the
>> >> taxpayer in order to survive. The term 'fucked up state' is not
>> >> inaccurate when applied to the United Kingdom and hasn't been for
>> >> about 30 years.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> >True, its fucked up. But its the state we've got.
>> >Any changes the government tries to make are blasted by bleeding heart
>> >liberals,
>>
>> Pleas don't confuse english liberalist politics with that of the
>> LibDems or the American version of 'liberal'.http://www.liberal.org.uk/
>>
>> >those who receive money
>>
>> Lots of highly paid state employees. Many could be claimed to be
>> overpaid.
>>
>>
>>
>> >and those who could be threatened by
>> >it. Not to mention the media, using the term loosely for such as the
>> >daily mail.
>>
>> >Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>I'm not confusing anything with the LibDems. Many bleeding heart
>liberals aren't members of the LibDems, maybe not members of any
>political party.

Then they are not liberals. A liberal wants small government and
people to stand on their own feet

>Doesn't prevent them screaming about any change that can affect
>others. So we stay on the path we are on, regardless of end
>consequence.....
>
The screamers are usually state employees on a good wage and early
retirement
date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 09:02:21 +0000   author:   Fedup

Re: Part time working ?   
"Farcry"  wrote in message 
news:NqFGm.23505$nI.21391@newsfe14.ams2...
> If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be 
> quite a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live 
> could I still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self would 
> not cover my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing benefit/council 
> tax at the mo

HB & CTB are payable to people in work and are tapered, so you're unlikely 
to be worse off working (unless work related costs eg travel to work are 
high).

--
Andy
date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:48:19 -0000   author:   Andy Pandy lid

Re: Part time working ?   
"Andy Pandy" <spam8times@wonderful.spam.invalid> wrote in message 
news:7lag3jF3bbbv7U1@mid.individual.net...
>
> "Farcry"  wrote in message 
> news:NqFGm.23505$nI.21391@newsfe14.ams2...
>> If I took a part time job that was say 15-20 hour per week seems to be 
>> quite a few PT / Jobs any not many full time jobs around where I live 
>> could I still get some help with housing costs   as the wage it self 
>> would not cover my rent/council tax/travel act... I get housing 
>> benefit/council tax at the mo
>
> HB & CTB are payable to people in work and are tapered, so you're unlikely 
> to be worse off working (unless work related costs eg travel to work are 
> high).
>

AFAIK he can claim for a second home with expenses if he travels for more 
than an hour to get to work, plus £25.00 food allowance.
date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 14:48:57 -0000   author:   Niteawk

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