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It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least triple
that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and fuel.

By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
so much as batting an eyelid.

Bazzer Smith wrote:
> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least triple
> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and fuel.
> 
> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> so much as batting an eyelid. 
> 
> 
The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into 
account.

"anthonyberet" <nospam@me.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least 
>> triple
>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and 
>> fuel.
>>
>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
>> so much as batting an eyelid.
> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into 
> account.


However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food.
The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.

On 12 Aug, 22:58, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least triple
> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and fuel.
>
> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> so much as batting an eyelid.

Ummm....why triple for this group? Working people get to pay council
tax and rent/mortgage too - sometimes leaving them with less to spend
on other things than someone on state benefits! Mortgage rate or
council tax goes up, no-one is guaranteed to get increases in income
to cover.
Some don't even get a pay rise every year, whereas benefits at least
have that.

What exactly do you want the government to do for these people on
social security?

Martin  <><

On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > Bazzer Smith wrote:
> >> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> >> triple
> >> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
> >> fuel.
>
> >> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> >> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> >> so much as batting an eyelid.
> > The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into
> > account.
>
> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food.
> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.

Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
state benefit.
True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?

Martin  <><

On 13 Aug, 09:46, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
> On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>
> >news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > > Bazzer Smith wrote:
> > >> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> > >> triple
> > >> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
> > >> fuel.
>
> > >> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> > >> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> > >> so much as batting an eyelid.
> > > The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into
> > > account.
>
> > However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> > on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food> > The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> > other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> > retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>
> Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
> state benefit.
> True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
> method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
> if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
>
> Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

People on state benefits are not as rich as other people who are
richer than people on benefits?
This country/government is a disgrace!
Something should be done about it at once (etc).

wrote in message 
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> On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> > Bazzer Smith wrote:
>> >> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
>> >> triple
>> >> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
>> >> fuel.
>>
>> >> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
>> >> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
>> >> so much as batting an eyelid.
>> > The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into
>> > account.
>>
>> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
>> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food.
>> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
>> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
>> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>
> Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
> state benefit.
> True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
> method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
> if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?


They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
They remove the things which go down, but not up.


>
> Martin  <><

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
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>
> "anthonyberet" <nospam@me.invalid> wrote in message 
> news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least 
>>> triple
>>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and 
>>> fuel.
>>>
>>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
>>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
>>> so much as batting an eyelid.
>> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into 
>> account.
>
>
> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food.
> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>

Fuk that, I sign for 1/2 hour every 2 weeks, thats enough work for me. No CT 
or rent to pay. Any extras I need, I can fiddle. Life is shit but it could 
be a whole lot worse doing a NMW job for some rich bastard who would sack 
you on the spot for not working your bollocks off for the privilege of 
living in total poverty.
If you need fuel, take it. If they cut off your electric by pulling the 
master fuse, block of flats for eg you can nick someone elses fuse or 
reconnect with a bit of cable and 2 cable connectors. Must use the same dia 
cable. Domestic water supply cant be cut off for health reasons, and I have 
never heard of a water company digging up a rising main to prevent someone 
from getting water, even if they did, you can replace the pipe. Gas is 
reconnected by undoing a brass nut that connects the pipe to the bottom of 
the meter and removing a disc that blocks off the pipe, turn on and you are 
back in business, fuck em all, the robbing bastards.

On 15 Aug, 03:11, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:4cd5b75c-6ee4-442c-876a-a5d333bf9d4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> >> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>
> >>news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> > Bazzer Smith wrote:
> >> >> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> >> >> triple
> >> >> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
> >> >> fuel.
>
> >> >> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> >> >> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> >> >> so much as batting an eyelid.
> >> > The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into
> >> > account.
>
> >> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> >> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food.
> >> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> >> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> >> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>
> > Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
> > state benefit.
> > True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
> > method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
> > if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
>
> They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
> not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
> have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
> They remove the things which go down, but not up.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

True, many of those on benefits have a mortgage. Which insurance can
pay. Or can wait until the interest payments from the DWP kick in,
quite a while and at set rates that don't change when lenders do.
Can still leave those who aren't on benefits worse off because having
to make payments. Even on benefits you have to make up any shortfall
eventually with your lender.

So, what system would you piut in place to decide payment levels and
increases?

Martin  <><

On 15 Aug, 08:01, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
> On 15 Aug, 03:11, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
>
> >news:4cd5b75c-6ee4-442c-876a-a5d333bf9d4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> > >> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> > >> > Bazzer Smith wrote:
> > >> >> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> > >> >> triple
> > >> >> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
> > >> >> fuel.
>
> > >> >> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> > >> >> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> > >> >> so much as batting an eyelid.
> > >> > The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into
> > >> > account.
>
> > >> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> > >> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food.
> > >> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> > >> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> > >> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>
> > > Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
> > > state benefit.
> > > True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
> > > method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
> > > if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
>
> > They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
> > not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
> > have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
> > They remove the things which go down, but not up.
>
> > > Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> True, many of those on benefits have a mortgage. Which insurance can
> pay. Or can wait until the interest payments from the DWP kick in,
> quite a while and at set rates that don't change when lenders do.
> Can still leave those who aren't on benefits worse off because having
> to make payments. Even on benefits you have to make up any shortfall
> eventually with your lender.
>
> So, what system would you piut in place to decide payment levels and
> increases?
>
> Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ah Niteawk! You're an example to us all.
Paying taxes is a pleasure so long as you do OK out of it.

On 15 Aug, 03:52, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>
> news:59qok.43136$a%4.26640@newsfe11.ams2...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> Bazzer Smith wrote:
> >>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> >>> triple
> >>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
> >>> fuel.
>
> >>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> >>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> >>> so much as batting an eyelid.
> >> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into
> >> account.
>
> > However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> > on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food.
> > The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> > other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> > retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>
> Fuk that, I sign for 1/2 hour every 2 weeks, thats enough work for me. No CT
> or rent to pay. Any extras I need, I can fiddle. Life is shit but it could
> be a whole lot worse doing a NMW job for some rich bastard who would sack
> you on the spot for not working your bollocks off for the privilege of
> living in total poverty.
> If you need fuel, take it. If they cut off your electric by pulling the
> master fuse, block of flats for eg you can nick someone elses fuse or
> reconnect with a bit of cable and 2 cable connectors. Must use the same dia
> cable. Domestic water supply cant be cut off for health reasons, and I have
> never heard of a water company digging up a rising main to prevent someone
> from getting water, even if they did, you can replace the pipe. Gas is
> reconnected by undoing a brass nut that connects the pipe to the bottom of
> the meter and removing a disc that blocks off the pipe, turn on and you are
> back in business, fuck em all, the robbing bastards.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I daresay you'd love a rich bastard to sack you on the spot. If you
could then go to employment tribunal.
Funny really, in the past few years most employers have made very sure
of procedures being followed, sometimes to the point of insanity.
Much, much cheaper than losing an employment tribunal.
The gas and electricity, thats a court matter these days as I recall.
People fined, even the odd imprisonment for fiddling with their meter.

Hey, there's an idea. How about prison time? No bills to pay, regular
food for free, a place to sleep. Even some money in your pocket at the
end of it.
And you don't have to pay out anything while inside. Oh, not
forgetting no hassle from the jobcentre about work. Surely that could
suit you?

Martin  <><

wrote in message 
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On 15 Aug, 03:11, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:4cd5b75c-6ee4-442c-876a-a5d333bf9d4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> >> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>
> >>news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> > Bazzer Smith wrote:
> >> >> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> >> >> triple
> >> >> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food 
> >> >> and
> >> >> fuel.
>
> >> >> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> >> >> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> >> >> so much as batting an eyelid.
> >> > The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI 
> >> > into
> >> > account.
>
> >> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> >> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and 
> >> food.
> >> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> >> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> >> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>
> > Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
> > state benefit.
> > True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
> > method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
> > if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
>
> They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
> not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
> have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
> They remove the things which go down, but not up.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Martin <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

True, many of those on benefits have a mortgage. Which insurance can
pay.




 Or can wait until the interest payments from the DWP kick in,
quite a while and at set rates that don't change when lenders do.
Can still leave those who aren't on benefits worse off because having
to make payments. Even on benefits you have to make up any shortfall
eventually with your lender.

So, what system would you piut in place to decide payment levels and
increases?

Martin  <><

"Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
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>
>  wrote in message 
> news:72434358-bd88-4d63-9164-71f9dd27466d@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> On 15 Aug, 03:11, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>>
>> news:4cd5b75c-6ee4-442c-876a-a5d333bf9d4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>> >> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> >> > Bazzer Smith wrote:
>> >> >> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
>> >> >> triple
>> >> >> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food 
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> fuel.
>>
>> >> >> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) 
>> >> >> government
>> >> >> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
>> >> >> so much as batting an eyelid.
>> >> > The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI 
>> >> > into
>> >> > account.
>>
>> >> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
>> >> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and 
>> >> food.
>> >> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
>> >> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
>> >> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>>
>> > Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
>> > state benefit.
>> > True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
>> > method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
>> > if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
>>
>> They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
>> not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
>> have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
>> They remove the things which go down, but not up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Martin <><- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> True, many of those on benefits have a mortgage. Which insurance can
> pay.


Wrong. Many do not have insurance and the insurance companies
will not insure them. What are they supposed to do???????
>
>
>
>
> Or can wait until the interest payments from the DWP kick in,
> quite a while and at set rates that don't change when lenders do.
> Can still leave those who aren't on benefits worse off because having
> to make payments. Even on benefits you have to make up any shortfall
> eventually with your lender.
>
> So, what system would you piut in place to decide payment levels and
> increases?

One which had a higher elment for fuel and food cossts.
If you are spending 20% of you income on heat it should be included
as 20%, not 2%, we are not all middle class toffs you know.


>
> Martin  <><
>

wrote in message 
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> On 15 Aug, 03:52, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:59qok.43136$a%4.26640@newsfe11.ams2...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>> >news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>> >> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>> >>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
>> >>> triple
>> >>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
>> >>> fuel.
>>
>> >>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
>> >>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
>> >>> so much as batting an eyelid.
>> >> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI 
>> >> into
>> >> account.
>>
>> > However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
>> > on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and 
>> > food.
>> > The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
>> > other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
>> > retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>>
>> Fuk that, I sign for 1/2 hour every 2 weeks, thats enough work for me. No 
>> CT
>> or rent to pay. Any extras I need, I can fiddle. Life is shit but it 
>> could
>> be a whole lot worse doing a NMW job for some rich bastard who would sack
>> you on the spot for not working your bollocks off for the privilege of
>> living in total poverty.
>> If you need fuel, take it. If they cut off your electric by pulling the
>> master fuse, block of flats for eg you can nick someone elses fuse or
>> reconnect with a bit of cable and 2 cable connectors. Must use the same 
>> dia
>> cable. Domestic water supply cant be cut off for health reasons, and I 
>> have
>> never heard of a water company digging up a rising main to prevent 
>> someone
>> from getting water, even if they did, you can replace the pipe. Gas is
>> reconnected by undoing a brass nut that connects the pipe to the bottom 
>> of
>> the meter and removing a disc that blocks off the pipe, turn on and you 
>> are
>> back in business, fuck em all, the robbing bastards.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> I daresay you'd love a rich bastard to sack you on the spot. If you
> could then go to employment tribunal.
> Funny really, in the past few years most employers have made very sure
> of procedures being followed, sometimes to the point of insanity.
> Much, much cheaper than losing an employment tribunal.
> The gas and electricity, thats a court matter these days as I recall.
> People fined, even the odd imprisonment for fiddling with their meter.
>
> Hey, there's an idea. How about prison time? No bills to pay, regular
> food for free, a place to sleep. Even some money in your pocket at the
> end of it.
> And you don't have to pay out anything while inside. Oh, not
> forgetting no hassle from the jobcentre about work. Surely that could
> suit you?

Yes and it will cost he taxpayer 10 times as much to keep you in prison.
The bonus is you will learn a real trade whilst in there as you will be
rubbing shoulders with real criminals so when you caome out you
can make some money and become an employer.


>
> Martin  <><

Bazzer Smith wrote:
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message 
> news:dqkpk.6815$ah4.509@newsfe15.ams2...
>>  wrote in message 
>> news:72434358-bd88-4d63-9164-71f9dd27466d@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> On 15 Aug, 03:11, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>> news:4cd5b75c-6ee4-442c-876a-a5d333bf9d4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>>>>> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
>>>>>>> triple
>>>>>>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> fuel.
>>>>>>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) 
>>>>>>> government
>>>>>>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
>>>>>>> so much as batting an eyelid.
>>>>>> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI 
>>>>>> into
>>>>>> account.
>>>>> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
>>>>> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and 
>>>>> food.
>>>>> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
>>>>> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
>>>>> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>>>> Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
>>>> state benefit.
>>>> True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
>>>> method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
>>>> if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
>>> They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
>>> not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
>>> have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
>>> They remove the things which go down, but not up.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Martin <><- Hide quoted text -
>>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>> True, many of those on benefits have a mortgage. Which insurance can
>> pay.
> 
> 
> Wrong. Many do not have insurance and the insurance companies
> will not insure them. What are they supposed to do???????
>>
>>
>>
>> Or can wait until the interest payments from the DWP kick in,
>> quite a while and at set rates that don't change when lenders do.
>> Can still leave those who aren't on benefits worse off because having
>> to make payments. Even on benefits you have to make up any shortfall
>> eventually with your lender.
>>
>> So, what system would you piut in place to decide payment levels and
>> increases?
> 
> One which had a higher elment for fuel and food cossts.
> If you are spending 20% of you income on heat it should be included
> as 20%, not 2%, we are not all middle class toffs you know.
> 
> 

I'll have you know Pymms has gone up 15% over the last 12mths and the 
cost of servicing my range rover is ridiculous!!

Don't get me started about the congestion charge which subsides' the 
oikes on the underground!

Mike

On 15 Aug, 21:11, Mike 
wrote:
> Bazzer Smith wrote:
> > "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
> >news:dqkpk.6815$ah4.509@newsfe15.ams2...
> >>  wrote in message
> >>news:72434358-bd88-4d63-9164-71f9dd27466d@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> >> On 15 Aug, 03:11, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> >>>  wrote in message
>
> >>>news:4cd5b75c-6ee4-442c-876a-a5d333bf9d4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>> On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> >>>>> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
> >>>>>> Bazzer Smith wrote:
> >>>>>>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> >>>>>>> triple
> >>>>>>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> fuel.
> >>>>>>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called)
> >>>>>>> government
> >>>>>>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> >>>>>>> so much as batting an eyelid.
> >>>>>> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI
> >>>>>> into
> >>>>>> account.
> >>>>> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> >>>>> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and
> >>>>> food.
> >>>>> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> >>>>> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> >>>>> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
> >>>> Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
> >>>> state benefit.
> >>>> True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
> >>>> method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
> >>>> if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
> >>> They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
> >>> not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
> >>> have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
> >>> They remove the things which go down, but not up.
>
> >>>> Martin <><- Hide quoted text -
> >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>> - Show quoted text -
> >> True, many of those on benefits have a mortgage. Which insurance can
> >> pay.
>
> > Wrong. Many do not have insurance and the insurance companies
> > will not insure them. What are they supposed to do???????
>
> >> Or can wait until the interest payments from the DWP kick in,
> >> quite a while and at set rates that don't change when lenders do.
> >> Can still leave those who aren't on benefits worse off because having
> >> to make payments. Even on benefits you have to make up any shortfall
> >> eventually with your lender.
>
> >> So, what system would you piut in place to decide payment levels and
> >> increases?
>
> > One which had a higher elment for fuel and food cossts.
> > If you are spending 20% of you income on heat it should be included
> > as 20%, not 2%, we are not all middle class toffs you know.
>
> I'll have you know Pymms has gone up 15% over the last 12mths and the
> cost of servicing my range rover is ridiculous!!
>
> Don't get me started about the congestion charge which subsides' the
> oikes on the underground!
>
> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Let them eat cake.

On 15 Aug, 20:07, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>
> news:dqkpk.6815$ah4.509@newsfe15.ams2...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >  wrote in message
> >news:72434358-bd88-4d63-9164-71f9dd27466d@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > On 15 Aug, 03:11, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> >>  wrote in message
>
> >>news:4cd5b75c-6ee4-442c-876a-a5d333bf9d4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> >> >> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>
> >> >>news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> >> > Bazzer Smith wrote:
> >> >> >> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> >> >> >> triple
> >> >> >> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> fuel.
>
> >> >> >> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called)
> >> >> >> government
> >> >> >> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> >> >> >> so much as batting an eyelid.
> >> >> > The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI
> >> >> > into
> >> >> > account.
>
> >> >> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> >> >> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and
> >> >> food.
> >> >> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> >> >> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> >> >> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>
> >> > Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
> >> > state benefit.
> >> > True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
> >> > method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
> >> > if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
>
> >> They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
> >> not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
> >> have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
> >> They remove the things which go down, but not up.
>
> >> > Martin <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > True, many of those on benefits have a mortgage. Which insurance can
> > pay.
>
> Wrong. Many do not have insurance and the insurance companies
> will not insure them. What are they supposed to do???????

For those who have insurance, that can pay. For those that don't, they
wait until the benefits system of mortgage payments kicks in.
With the lender understandably chasing them in the meantime. Possibly
even going down the repossession path.

>
>
>
> > Or can wait until the interest payments from the DWP kick in,
> > quite a while and at set rates that don't change when lenders do.
> > Can still leave those who aren't on benefits worse off because having
> > to make payments. Even on benefits you have to make up any shortfall
> > eventually with your lender.
>
> > So, what system would you piut in place to decide payment levels and
> > increases?
>
> One which had a higher elment for fuel and food cossts.

Ok., so what element do we have now for fuel and food costs? I wasn't
aware we had any.
How much will you give extra?

> If you are spending 20% of you income on heat it should be included
> as 20%, not 2%, we are not all middle class toffs you know.


Whoever said it should be 2%?
And what does middle class toffs have to do with 2% spending on
heating?

Martin  <><

On 15 Aug, 20:12, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:06abef66-d14b-4f7c-9008-0105188279b4@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 15 Aug, 03:52, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> >> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:59qok.43136$a%4.26640@newsfe11.ams2...
>
> >> > "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
> >> >news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
> >> >> Bazzer Smith wrote:
> >> >>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> >> >>> triple
> >> >>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
> >> >>> fuel.
>
> >> >>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
> >> >>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> >> >>> so much as batting an eyelid.
> >> >> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI
> >> >> into
> >> >> account.
>
> >> > However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> >> > on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and
> >> > food.
> >> > The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> >> > other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> >> > retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>
> >> Fuk that, I sign for 1/2 hour every 2 weeks, thats enough work for me. No
> >> CT
> >> or rent to pay. Any extras I need, I can fiddle. Life is shit but it
> >> could
> >> be a whole lot worse doing a NMW job for some rich bastard who would sack
> >> you on the spot for not working your bollocks off for the privilege of
> >> living in total poverty.
> >> If you need fuel, take it. If they cut off your electric by pulling the
> >> master fuse, block of flats for eg you can nick someone elses fuse or
> >> reconnect with a bit of cable and 2 cable connectors. Must use the same
> >> dia
> >> cable. Domestic water supply cant be cut off for health reasons, and I
> >> have
> >> never heard of a water company digging up a rising main to prevent
> >> someone
> >> from getting water, even if they did, you can replace the pipe. Gas is
> >> reconnected by undoing a brass nut that connects the pipe to the bottom
> >> of
> >> the meter and removing a disc that blocks off the pipe, turn on and you
> >> are
> >> back in business, fuck em all, the robbing bastards.- Hide quoted text> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > I daresay you'd love a rich bastard to sack you on the spot. If you
> > could then go to employment tribunal.
> > Funny really, in the past few years most employers have made very sure
> > of procedures being followed, sometimes to the point of insanity.
> > Much, much cheaper than losing an employment tribunal.
> > The gas and electricity, thats a court matter these days as I recall.
> > People fined, even the odd imprisonment for fiddling with their meter.
>
> > Hey, there's an idea. How about prison time? No bills to pay, regular
> > food for free, a place to sleep. Even some money in your pocket at the
> > end of it.
> > And you don't have to pay out anything while inside. Oh, not
> > forgetting no hassle from the jobcentre about work. Surely that could
> > suit you?
>
> Yes and it will cost he taxpayer 10 times as much to keep you in prison.
> The bonus is you will learn a real trade whilst in there as you will be
> rubbing shoulders with real criminals so when you caome out you
> can make some money and become an employer.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

See, plenty of reasons for him to go to prison.  :)

Martin  <><

On 15 Aug, 23:12, Marvin  wrote:
> On 15 Aug, 21:11, Mike 
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bazzer Smith wrote:
> > > "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
> > >news:dqkpk.6815$ah4.509@newsfe15.ams2...
> > >>  wrote in message
> > >>news:72434358-bd88-4d63-9164-71f9dd27466d@k7g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > >> On 15 Aug, 03:11, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> > >>>  wrote in message
>
> > >>>news:4cd5b75c-6ee4-442c-876a-a5d333bf9d4a@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >>>> On 13 Aug, 01:46, "Bazzer Smith"  wrote:
> > >>>>> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
> > >>>>>news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
> > >>>>>> Bazzer Smith wrote:
> > >>>>>>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
> > >>>>>>> triple
> > >>>>>>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food
> > >>>>>>> and
> > >>>>>>> fuel.
> > >>>>>>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called)
> > >>>>>>> government
> > >>>>>>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
> > >>>>>>> so much as batting an eyelid.
> > >>>>>> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI
> > >>>>>> into
> > >>>>>> account.
> > >>>>> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
> > >>>>> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and
> > >>>>> food.
> > >>>>> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
> > >>>>> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
> > >>>>> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
> > >>>> Pensioners also get quite a bit more each week than many others on
> > >>>> state benefit.
> > >>>> True, the RPI doesn't reflect the spending needs of everyone. So what
> > >>>> method would you use to decide how much increase to give, if any? And
> > >>>> if prices fall, will you have benefits reduced to match?
> > >>> They removed housing costs from the calculation so that they could
> > >>> not benefit from rising house prices. Many people on benefits still
> > >>> have a mortage and require somewhere to live.
> > >>> They remove the things which go down, but not up.
>
> > >>>> Martin <><- Hide quoted text -
> > >>> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >>> - Show quoted text -
> > >> True, many of those on benefits have a mortgage. Which insurance can
> > >> pay.
>
> > > Wrong. Many do not have insurance and the insurance companies
> > > will not insure them. What are they supposed to do???????
>
> > >> Or can wait until the interest payments from the DWP kick in,
> > >> quite a while and at set rates that don't change when lenders do.
> > >> Can still leave those who aren't on benefits worse off because having
> > >> to make payments. Even on benefits you have to make up any shortfall
> > >> eventually with your lender.
>
> > >> So, what system would you piut in place to decide payment levels and
> > >> increases?
>
> > > One which had a higher elment for fuel and food cossts.
> > > If you are spending 20% of you income on heat it should be included
> > > as 20%, not 2%, we are not all middle class toffs you know.
>
> > I'll have you know Pymms has gone up 15% over the last 12mths and the
> > cost of servicing my range rover is ridiculous!!
>
> > Don't get me started about the congestion charge which subsides' the
> > oikes on the underground!
>
> > Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Let them eat cake.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ah yes. Back when the bread flour was so pricey that Marie said for
them to eat cake. Made with far more expensive cake flour.
Trouble was, the bakers were losing money. So stopped making anything.

Government getting involved in food can be a lifesaver. Or a total
disaster (Cambodia, Zimbabwe, China, France to name just a few).

Martin  <><

mart2306@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 15 Aug, 03:52, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>> "Bazzer Smith"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:59qok.43136$a%4.26640@newsfe11.ams2...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "anthonyberet" <nos...@me.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:6gel1qFfcl3rU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Bazzer Smith wrote:
>>>>> It is clear that inflation for those on social security is at least
>>>>> triple
>>>>> that of the official figure, as most of their income goes on food and
>>>>> fuel.
>>>>> By not addressing this issue it seems a Labour(so called) government
>>>>> is quitue happy to freeze and starve the poorest in society without
>>>>> so much as batting an eyelid.
>>>> The applicable amount is recalculated every year. It takes thr RPI into
>>>> account.
>>> However the RPI is does not reflect the spending needs of someone
>>> on social security. They spent far more of their spending fuel and food.
>>> The government acknowledges that for pensioners but ignores it for
>>> other low income groups, futhermore many pensionsers are
>>> retremely wealthy and don't needit yet get it.
>> Fuk that, I sign for 1/2 hour every 2 weeks, thats enough work for me. No CT
>> or rent to pay. Any extras I need, I can fiddle. Life is shit but it could
>> be a whole lot worse doing a NMW job for some rich bastard who would sack
>> you on the spot for not working your bollocks off for the privilege of
>> living in total poverty.
>> If you need fuel, take it. If they cut off your electric by pulling the
>> master fuse, block of flats for eg you can nick someone elses fuse or
>> reconnect with a bit of cable and 2 cable connectors. Must use the same dia
>> cable. Domestic water supply cant be cut off for health reasons, and I have
>> never heard of a water company digging up a rising main to prevent someone
>> from getting water, even if they did, you can replace the pipe. Gas is
>> reconnected by undoing a brass nut that connects the pipe to the bottom of
>> the meter and removing a disc that blocks off the pipe, turn on and you are
>> back in business, fuck em all, the robbing bastards.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
> 
> I daresay you'd love a rich bastard to sack you on the spot. If you
> could then go to employment tribunal.
> Funny really, in the past few years most employers have made very sure
> of procedures being followed, sometimes to the point of insanity.
> Much, much cheaper than losing an employment tribunal.
> The gas and electricity, thats a court matter these days as I recall.
> People fined, even the odd imprisonment for fiddling with their meter.
> 
> Hey, there's an idea. How about prison time? No bills to pay, regular
> food for free, a place to sleep. Even some money in your pocket at the
> end of it.
> And you don't have to pay out anything while inside. Oh, not
> forgetting no hassle from the jobcentre about work. Surely that could
> suit you?
> 
> Martin  <><

Prison time isn't so easy an option for pretty boys like niteawk y'know!

Mike