"Sanukk" <.> wrote in message 
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>
> Hi All
>
> I've just received the numbers for my new claim and there's a few things
> I'm not sure about. First I had a pre rental determination (or whatever
> it's called) that said they should pay £475 pcm (the full rent) but the
> letter I've just got through says they will pay 99.28 per week (that works
> out at £430.22 pcm), nearly forty-five quid a week short. Can this be
> right?

Its exactly right you idiot, 430.22 pm x 12 ^ 52 is 99.28 pw on the nose.

"Niteawk"  wrote in message 
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>
> "Sanukk" <.> wrote in message 
> news:mz2illfedx5f$.hgrfuyh8h826.dlg@40tude.net...
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>> I've just received the numbers for my new claim and there's a few things
>> I'm not sure about. First I had a pre rental determination (or whatever
>> it's called) that said they should pay £475 pcm (the full rent) but the
>> letter I've just got through says they will pay 99.28 per week (that 
>> works
>> out at £430.22 pcm), nearly forty-five quid a week short. Can this be
>> right?
>
> Its exactly right you idiot, 430.22 pm x 12 ^ 52 is 99.28 pw on the nose.
>
>

Oh I see, just noticed the £475.00 pcm :) still wrong though. To be more 
exact, that leaves you £10.33 per week short. The council are supposed to 
pay the rent as determined by the rent office. Thats the whole point of the 
PTD, the cant ignore the RO's decision. Show the council the PTD letter 
stating the correct rent for your address, they have to pay the rent as 
stated, if not, you can appeal.

Niteawk wrote:
> 
> "Niteawk"  wrote in message 
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>>
>> "Sanukk" <.> wrote in message 
>> news:mz2illfedx5f$.hgrfuyh8h826.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I've just received the numbers for my new claim and there's a few things
>>> I'm not sure about. First I had a pre rental determination (or whatever
>>> it's called) that said they should pay £475 pcm (the full rent) but the
>>> letter I've just got through says they will pay 99.28 per week (that 
>>> works
>>> out at £430.22 pcm), nearly forty-five quid a week short. Can this be
>>> right?
>>
>> Its exactly right you idiot, 430.22 pm x 12 ^ 52 is 99.28 pw on the nose.
>>
>>
> 
> Oh I see, just noticed the £475.00 pcm :) still wrong though. To be more 
> exact, that leaves you £10.33 per week short. The council are supposed 
> to pay the rent as determined by the rent office. Thats the whole point 
> of the PTD, the cant ignore the RO's decision. Show the council the PTD 
> letter stating the correct rent for your address, they have to pay the 
> rent as stated, if not, you can appeal.

for a start, it depends what income the poster has. Not everyone is 
entitled to full HB. There could be ineligible items in the rent, such 
as water charges and sewerage charges.

"The Pre-Tenancy Determination does not guarantee that you will get 
Housing Benefit or tell you the amount you will get." - that's the 
official line.
-- 
Robbie

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
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> Niteawk wrote:
>>
>> "Niteawk"  wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> "Sanukk" <.> wrote in message 
>>> news:mz2illfedx5f$.hgrfuyh8h826.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>
>>>> Hi All
>>>>
>>>> I've just received the numbers for my new claim and there's a few 
>>>> things
>>>> I'm not sure about. First I had a pre rental determination (or whatever
>>>> it's called) that said they should pay £475 pcm (the full rent) but the
>>>> letter I've just got through says they will pay 99.28 per week (that 
>>>> works
>>>> out at £430.22 pcm), nearly forty-five quid a week short. Can this be
>>>> right?
>>>
>>> Its exactly right you idiot, 430.22 pm x 12 ^ 52 is 99.28 pw on the 
>>> nose.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Oh I see, just noticed the £475.00 pcm :) still wrong though. To be more 
>> exact, that leaves you £10.33 per week short. The council are supposed to 
>> pay the rent as determined by the rent office. Thats the whole point of 
>> the PTD, the cant ignore the RO's decision. Show the council the PTD 
>> letter stating the correct rent for your address, they have to pay the 
>> rent as stated, if not, you can appeal.
>
> for a start, it depends what income the poster has. Not everyone is 
> entitled to full HB. There could be ineligible items in the rent, such as 
> water charges and sewerage charges.

They always try to cut a bit off the rent, no matter what the amount is.

>
> "The Pre-Tenancy Determination does not guarantee that you will get 
> Housing Benefit or tell you the amount you will get." - that's the 
> official line.

The rent office determines the rent, when I had a PTD done for where I am 
living now, the RO came in £15 pw under what the landlord was asking, the 
landlord agreed to accept the amount on the PTD, then the bloody council 
tried to cut that by another £7 pw, so I showed them the PTD letter and they 
paid up,  about 12 months later, they tried it on again, this time they 
tried to knock me for £6 pw.
The official line as given to me from the horses mouth is the council must 
abide by the RO's decision, thats their job, there is no point in having 
PTD's or rent officers if the council is going to ignore them.

Robbie wrote:

>> Oh I see, just noticed the £475.00 pcm :) still wrong though. To be more 
>> exact, that leaves you £10.33 per week short.

I put week in the OP where I meant month.

>> The council are supposed 
>> to pay the rent as determined by the rent office. Thats the whole point 
>> of the PTD, the cant ignore the RO's decision.

That is indeed what I though.

>> Show the council the PTD 
>> letter stating the correct rent for your address, they have to pay the 
>> rent as stated, if not, you can appeal.

They have this letter on file already.

> for a start, it depends what income the poster has. Not everyone is 
> entitled to full HB.

I'm on IB and DLA, apparently DLA is not taken into account so that just
leaves the IB.

> There could be ineligible items in the rent, such 
> as water charges and sewerage charges.

Not in this case, power, water, and everything else is paid for separately
by myself. No garage either.

> "The Pre-Tenancy Determination does not guarantee that you will get 
> Housing Benefit or tell you the amount you will get." - that's the 
> official line.

So what is the point of PTD then?

-S

"Sanukk" <.> wrote in message 
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> Robbie wrote:
>
>>> Oh I see, just noticed the £475.00 pcm :) still wrong though. To be more
>>> exact, that leaves you £10.33 per week short.
>
> I put week in the OP where I meant month.
>
>>> The council are supposed
>>> to pay the rent as determined by the rent office. Thats the whole point
>>> of the PTD, the cant ignore the RO's decision.
>
> That is indeed what I though.
>
>>> Show the council the PTD
>>> letter stating the correct rent for your address, they have to pay the
>>> rent as stated, if not, you can appeal.
>
> They have this letter on file already.
>
>> for a start, it depends what income the poster has. Not everyone is
>> entitled to full HB.
>
> I'm on IB and DLA, apparently DLA is not taken into account so that just
> leaves the IB.
>
>> There could be ineligible items in the rent, such
>> as water charges and sewerage charges.
>
> Not in this case, power, water, and everything else is paid for separately
> by myself. No garage either.
>
>> "The Pre-Tenancy Determination does not guarantee that you will get
>> Housing Benefit or tell you the amount you will get." - that's the
>> official line.
>
> So what is the point of PTD then?
>

Like all public sector workers, Robbie errs on the side of caution when they 
do not know the rules and regs that applies in your case. If you read what 
he says word for word, it is true that a PTD does not guarantee HB, it is 
also true that a PTD will not make you look any younger, if that helps. But 
he is wrong about the amount you will get. The whole point of the PTD is to 
tell you the exact amount you will or should get based on the RO's 
evaluation. Age is a factor in determining how much rent you will get, for 
eg if you are under 25 then they can tell you to rent a room in a house. 
Over this age and you are entitled to have your own place.

Niteawk wrote:
> 
> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
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>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>
>>> "Niteawk"  wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> "Sanukk" <.> wrote in message 
>>>> news:mz2illfedx5f$.hgrfuyh8h826.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>> I've just received the numbers for my new claim and there's a few 
>>>>> things
>>>>> I'm not sure about. First I had a pre rental determination (or 
>>>>> whatever
>>>>> it's called) that said they should pay £475 pcm (the full rent) but 
>>>>> the
>>>>> letter I've just got through says they will pay 99.28 per week 
>>>>> (that works
>>>>> out at £430.22 pcm), nearly forty-five quid a week short. Can this be
>>>>> right?
>>>>
>>>> Its exactly right you idiot, 430.22 pm x 12 ^ 52 is 99.28 pw on the 
>>>> nose.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh I see, just noticed the £475.00 pcm :) still wrong though. To be 
>>> more exact, that leaves you £10.33 per week short. The council are 
>>> supposed to pay the rent as determined by the rent office. Thats the 
>>> whole point of the PTD, the cant ignore the RO's decision. Show the 
>>> council the PTD letter stating the correct rent for your address, 
>>> they have to pay the rent as stated, if not, you can appeal.
>>
>> for a start, it depends what income the poster has. Not everyone is 
>> entitled to full HB. There could be ineligible items in the rent, such 
>> as water charges and sewerage charges.
> 
> They always try to cut a bit off the rent, no matter what the amount is.
> 
>>
>> "The Pre-Tenancy Determination does not guarantee that you will get 
>> Housing Benefit or tell you the amount you will get." - that's the 
>> official line.
> 
> The rent office determines the rent, when I had a PTD done for where I 
> am living now, the RO came in £15 pw under what the landlord was asking, 
> the landlord agreed to accept the amount on the PTD, then the bloody 
> council tried to cut that by another £7 pw, so I showed them the PTD 
> letter and they paid up,  about 12 months later, they tried it on again, 
> this time they tried to knock me for £6 pw.
> The official line as given to me from the horses mouth is the council 
> must abide by the RO's decision, thats their job, there is no point in 
> having PTD's or rent officers if the council is going to ignore them.

The RO set the maximum rent, not the benefit award, which also takes the 
rest of the claimant's circumstances into account.

"anthonyberet" <nospam@me.invalid> wrote in message 
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> Niteawk wrote:
>>
>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
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>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Niteawk"  wrote in message 
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>>>>>
>>>>> "Sanukk" <.> wrote in message 
>>>>> news:mz2illfedx5f$.hgrfuyh8h826.dlg@40tude.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've just received the numbers for my new claim and there's a few 
>>>>>> things
>>>>>> I'm not sure about. First I had a pre rental determination (or 
>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>> it's called) that said they should pay £475 pcm (the full rent) but 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> letter I've just got through says they will pay 99.28 per week (that 
>>>>>> works
>>>>>> out at £430.22 pcm), nearly forty-five quid a week short. Can this be
>>>>>> right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Its exactly right you idiot, 430.22 pm x 12 ^ 52 is 99.28 pw on the 
>>>>> nose.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oh I see, just noticed the £475.00 pcm :) still wrong though. To be 
>>>> more exact, that leaves you £10.33 per week short. The council are 
>>>> supposed to pay the rent as determined by the rent office. Thats the 
>>>> whole point of the PTD, the cant ignore the RO's decision. Show the 
>>>> council the PTD letter stating the correct rent for your address, they 
>>>> have to pay the rent as stated, if not, you can appeal.
>>>
>>> for a start, it depends what income the poster has. Not everyone is 
>>> entitled to full HB. There could be ineligible items in the rent, such 
>>> as water charges and sewerage charges.
>>
>> They always try to cut a bit off the rent, no matter what the amount is.
>>
>>>
>>> "The Pre-Tenancy Determination does not guarantee that you will get 
>>> Housing Benefit or tell you the amount you will get." - that's the 
>>> official line.
>>
>> The rent office determines the rent, when I had a PTD done for where I am 
>> living now, the RO came in £15 pw under what the landlord was asking, the 
>> landlord agreed to accept the amount on the PTD, then the bloody council 
>> tried to cut that by another £7 pw, so I showed them the PTD letter and 
>> they paid up,  about 12 months later, they tried it on again, this time 
>> they tried to knock me for £6 pw.
>> The official line as given to me from the horses mouth is the council 
>> must abide by the RO's decision, thats their job, there is no point in 
>> having PTD's or rent officers if the council is going to ignore them.
>
> The RO set the maximum rent, not the benefit award, which also takes the 
> rest of the claimant's circumstances into account.


Assuming you are entitled to full benefit, no savings and unemployed etc, 
then the council must pay the rent as stated by the RO.

Niteawk wrote:
<snip>
>> The RO set the maximum rent, not the benefit award, which also takes 
>> the rest of the claimant's circumstances into account.
> 
> 
> Assuming you are entitled to full benefit, no savings and unemployed 
> etc, then the council must pay the rent as stated by the RO.

Yes, with the small proviso that ineligble service charges might be 
deducted.