WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill marched on 
the capital, there is never a copper around when you want one. They accused 
the government of robbing them over a pay rise agreement, no surprises there 
and no arrests were made.

I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill left, 
but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what the ol bill 
earn.

The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why are they 
trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?

Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.

Niteawk wrote:
> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill marched 
> on the capital, there is never a copper around when you want one. They 
> accused the government of robbing them over a pay rise agreement, no 
> surprises there and no arrests were made.
> 
> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill 
> left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what the 
> ol bill earn.
> 
> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why are 
> they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
> 
> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
> 
> 

it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an 
employer can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work for 
minimum pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. Others 
just don't want to work at all and languish on JSA for years moaning 
about their lot in life.

-- 
Robbie

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
news:5vs2h2F1nlap3U2@mid.individual.net...
> Niteawk wrote:
>> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill marched 
>> on the capital, there is never a copper around when you want one. They 
>> accused the government of robbing them over a pay rise agreement, no 
>> surprises there and no arrests were made.
>>
>> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill 
>> left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what the 
>> ol bill earn.
>>
>> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why are 
>> they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
>>
>> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
>>
>>
>
> it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an employer 
> can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work for minimum 
> pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. Others just don't 
> want to work at all and languish on JSA for years moaning about their lot 
> in life.
>

The NMW is a charter to rip workers off, it should be called the national 
poverty wage, because thats all its good for.

I dont know where you get this "others dont want to work" nonsense from, you 
have no proof of that.

"Move on to better paid jobs" ????? yet more pie in the sky nonsense, if 
better paid jobs were available, I am sure they are long gone by now.

Niteawk wrote:
> 
> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
> news:5vs2h2F1nlap3U2@mid.individual.net...
>> Niteawk wrote:
>>> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill 
>>> marched on the capital, there is never a copper around when you want 
>>> one. They accused the government of robbing them over a pay rise 
>>> agreement, no surprises there and no arrests were made.
>>>
>>> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill 
>>> left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what 
>>> the ol bill earn.
>>>
>>> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why 
>>> are they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
>>>
>>> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an 
>> employer can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work 
>> for minimum pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. 
>> Others just don't want to work at all and languish on JSA for years 
>> moaning about their lot in life.
>>
> 
> The NMW is a charter to rip workers off, it should be called the 
> national poverty wage, because thats all its good for.
> 
> I dont know where you get this "others dont want to work" nonsense from, 
> you have no proof of that.
> 
> "Move on to better paid jobs" ????? yet more pie in the sky nonsense, if 
> better paid jobs were available, I am sure they are long gone by now.

It's better than what existed before where people were being paid £2 an 
hour and having to work 80 hours a week.

How is it pie in the sky that people move on to better paid jobs? It's 
easier to get a better paid job when you're in employment. Many 
employers won't touch the long term unemployed with a barge pole. Far 
better to employ someone with a work history. As for "if better paid 
jobs were available, I'm sure they are long gone by now", well that's 
just one of the silliest things I've heard. Jobs become available all 
the time, or do you think a job vacancy only exists once and that is it 
forever? They are out there, but they are probably out of your reach 
since you will never get one while you languish on the dole moaning 
about your lot in life.

Face it Niteawk, you've made yourself virtually unemployable. You need 
to do what other long term unemployed do, start at the bottom on NMW and 
work your way up to a decent job. You aren't likely to get one in the 
position you are currently in.

-- 
Robbie

On 24 Jan, 18:32, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Robbie"  wrote in message
>
> news:5vs2h2F1nlap3U2@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > Niteawk wrote:
> >> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill marched
> >> on the capital, there is never a copper around when you want one. They
> >> accused the government of robbing them over a pay rise agreement, no
> >> surprises there and no arrests were made.
>
> >> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill
> >> left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what the
> >> ol bill earn.
>
> >> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why are
> >> they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
>
> >> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
>
> > it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an employer
> > can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work for minimum
> > pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. Others just don't
> > want to work at all and languish on JSA for years moaning about their lot
> > in life.
>
> The NMW is a charter to rip workers off, it should be called the national
> poverty wage, because thats all its good for.
>
> I dont know where you get this "others dont want to work" nonsense from, you
> have no proof of that.
>
> "Move on to better paid jobs" ????? yet more pie in the sky nonsense, if
> better paid jobs were available, I am sure they are long gone by now.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

There are some jobs people will do for NMW, I doubt dealing with
drunks on a saturday night and the other 'pleasant' jobs the police
get to do are amongst them.

It's a vocation as much as a job but there's still a price society has
to pay if you want the job done and if so many are prepared to bitch,
moan and march about it clearly the price being paid is not enough.

I wonder how many will march in support of a payrise for nitawk?  I
doubt even niteawk would get out of the sack..

Mike

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
news:5vs83dF1mufjmU1@mid.individual.net...
> Niteawk wrote:
>>
>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>> news:5vs2h2F1nlap3U2@mid.individual.net...
>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill marched 
>>>> on the capital, there is never a copper around when you want one. They 
>>>> accused the government of robbing them over a pay rise agreement, no 
>>>> surprises there and no arrests were made.
>>>>
>>>> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill 
>>>> left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what the 
>>>> ol bill earn.
>>>>
>>>> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why are 
>>>> they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
>>>>
>>>> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an 
>>> employer can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work for 
>>> minimum pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. Others 
>>> just don't want to work at all and languish on JSA for years moaning 
>>> about their lot in life.
>>>
>>
>> The NMW is a charter to rip workers off, it should be called the national 
>> poverty wage, because thats all its good for.
>>
>> I dont know where you get this "others dont want to work" nonsense from, 
>> you have no proof of that.
>>
>> "Move on to better paid jobs" ????? yet more pie in the sky nonsense, if 
>> better paid jobs were available, I am sure they are long gone by now.
>
> It's better than what existed before where people were being paid £2 an 
> hour and having to work 80 hours a week.
>

I am sure people were on £2 an hour, there was a time when people were on £2 
per week or year even, we have moved on since then, there is such a thing as 
the cost of living to consider, if the NMW is so fair then all government 
and public sector workers should accept it, thats all they should be allowed 
to earn.




> How is it pie in the sky that people move on to better paid jobs? It's 
> easier to get a better paid job when you're in employment. Many employers 
> won't touch the long term unemployed with a barge pole. Far better to 
> employ someone with a work history. As for "if better paid jobs were 
> available, I'm sure they are long gone by now", well that's just one of 
> the silliest things I've heard. Jobs become available all the time, or do 
> you think a job vacancy only exists once and that is it forever? They are 
> out there, but they are probably out of your reach since you will never 
> get one while you languish on the dole moaning about your lot in life.

Who cares what employers do or who they will or wont employ, I dont. All I 
know is the NMW is not an acceptable rate of pay when compared to the 
current cost of living.


>
> Face it Niteawk, you've made yourself virtually unemployable. You need to 
> do what other long term unemployed do, start at the bottom on NMW and work 
> your way up to a decent job. You aren't likely to get one in the position 
> you are currently in.
>

Why dont you face it, if people are or have become unemployable then its due 
to the way this country is being run. Its not up to me to create jobs, 
provide training and education, thats down to the government. Obviously they 
are quite happy with the work force the way it is, if they need skilled and 
trades people, they just open the flood gates and let them in from abroad. 
If companies want cheaper labour then they can relocate to some third world 
country and pay 10p per day wages with an optional bowl of rice thrown in, 
thats the way it is these days.

"Mike"  wrote in message 
news:a88703ae-648c-4005-a677-400903782151@v29g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On 24 Jan, 18:32, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>> "Robbie"  wrote in message
>>
>> news:5vs2h2F1nlap3U2@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Niteawk wrote:
>> >> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill 
>> >> marched
>> >> on the capital, there is never a copper around when you want one. They
>> >> accused the government of robbing them over a pay rise agreement, no
>> >> surprises there and no arrests were made.
>>
>> >> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill
>> >> left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what 
>> >> the
>> >> ol bill earn.
>>
>> >> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why are
>> >> they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
>>
>> >> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
>>
>> > it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an 
>> > employer
>> > can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work for minimum
>> > pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. Others just 
>> > don't
>> > want to work at all and languish on JSA for years moaning about their 
>> > lot
>> > in life.
>>
>> The NMW is a charter to rip workers off, it should be called the national
>> poverty wage, because thats all its good for.
>>
>> I dont know where you get this "others dont want to work" nonsense from, 
>> you
>> have no proof of that.
>>
>> "Move on to better paid jobs" ????? yet more pie in the sky nonsense, if
>> better paid jobs were available, I am sure they are long gone by now.- 
>> Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> There are some jobs people will do for NMW, I doubt dealing with
> drunks on a saturday night and the other 'pleasant' jobs the police
> get to do are amongst them.

Being a copper must be really hard, my arse it is. I could do it no problem, 
most of the time is spent sitting around doing nothing or pulling motorists 
for speeding or no tax. Yeah thats a really hard job.



>
> It's a vocation as much as a job but there's still a price society has
> to pay if you want the job done and if so many are prepared to bitch,
> moan and march about it clearly the price being paid is not enough.
>

They can demand higher pay because there is enough of them to do it, nobody 
gives a shit about what happens on council estates any more, they can strike 
if they want, no one would notice. I dare say that in some areas people 
think they have been on strike for years.

> I wonder how many will march in support of a payrise for nitawk?  I
> doubt even niteawk would get out of the sack..
>

I am organising this right now, peasants of the UK unite, if all low paid 
unskilled workers went on strike tomorrow, this country would grind to a 
halt.

Niteawk wrote:
> 
> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
> news:5vs83dF1mufjmU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>
>>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>>> news:5vs2h2F1nlap3U2@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill 
>>>>> marched on the capital, there is never a copper around when you 
>>>>> want one. They accused the government of robbing them over a pay 
>>>>> rise agreement, no surprises there and no arrests were made.
>>>>>
>>>>> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol 
>>>>> bill left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of 
>>>>> what the ol bill earn.
>>>>>
>>>>> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why 
>>>>> are they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an 
>>>> employer can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work 
>>>> for minimum pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. 
>>>> Others just don't want to work at all and languish on JSA for years 
>>>> moaning about their lot in life.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The NMW is a charter to rip workers off, it should be called the 
>>> national poverty wage, because thats all its good for.
>>>
>>> I dont know where you get this "others dont want to work" nonsense 
>>> from, you have no proof of that.
>>>
>>> "Move on to better paid jobs" ????? yet more pie in the sky nonsense, 
>>> if better paid jobs were available, I am sure they are long gone by now.
>>
>> It's better than what existed before where people were being paid £2 
>> an hour and having to work 80 hours a week.
>>
> 
> I am sure people were on £2 an hour, there was a time when people were 
> on £2 per week or year even, we have moved on since then, there is such 
> a thing as the cost of living to consider, if the NMW is so fair then 
> all government and public sector workers should accept it, thats all 
> they should be allowed to earn.

You know fine well what I meant. There were people earning £2 an hour 
when the NMW came in back in the late 90s.

It's not meant to be a wage that's the be all and end all - but it's 
better than living on JSA or earning very low wages and having to work 
all the hours under the sun. It can also be a stepping stone between JSA 
and getting a higher paid job.

> 
> 
> 
> 
>> How is it pie in the sky that people move on to better paid jobs? It's 
>> easier to get a better paid job when you're in employment. Many 
>> employers won't touch the long term unemployed with a barge pole. Far 
>> better to employ someone with a work history. As for "if better paid 
>> jobs were available, I'm sure they are long gone by now", well that's 
>> just one of the silliest things I've heard. Jobs become available all 
>> the time, or do you think a job vacancy only exists once and that is 
>> it forever? They are out there, but they are probably out of your 
>> reach since you will never get one while you languish on the dole 
>> moaning about your lot in life.
> 
> Who cares what employers do or who they will or wont employ, I dont. All 
> I know is the NMW is not an acceptable rate of pay when compared to the 
> current cost of living.

yet you choose to stay on benefit and get under £60 a week. Assuming 
you're single, of course.

> 
> 
>>
>> Face it Niteawk, you've made yourself virtually unemployable. You need 
>> to do what other long term unemployed do, start at the bottom on NMW 
>> and work your way up to a decent job. You aren't likely to get one in 
>> the position you are currently in.
>>
> 
> Why dont you face it, if people are or have become unemployable then its 
> due to the way this country is being run. Its not up to me to create 
> jobs, provide training and education, thats down to the government. 
> Obviously they are quite happy with the work force the way it is, if 
> they need skilled and trades people, they just open the flood gates and 
> let them in from abroad. If companies want cheaper labour then they can 
> relocate to some third world country and pay 10p per day wages with an 
> optional bowl of rice thrown in, thats the way it is these days.

No. people have become unemployable because they are ultimately allowed 
to fester on benefits.

Face it, come this time next year you'll still be posting the same 
things and you'll still be unemployed.
-- 
Robbie

very often some comfortable and sweet view of a merciful
God, of a sufficient Redeemer, or of some great and joyful things of the
gospel, immediately follows, or in a very little time: and in some, the
first sight of their just deserts of hell, and God's sovereignty with
respect to their salvation, and a discovery of all-sufficient grace, are
so near, that they seem to go as it were together.

These gracious discoveries given, whence the first special comforts are
derived, are in many respects very various. More frequently, Christ is
distinctly made the object of the mind, in His all-sufficiency and
willingness to save sinners; but some have their thoughts more
especially fixed on God, in some of His sweet and glorious attributes
manifested in the gospel, and shining forth in the face of Christ. Some
view the all-sufficiency of the mercy and grace of God; some, chiefly
the infinite power of God, and His ability to save them, and to do all
things for them; and some look most at the truth and faithfulness of
God. In some, the truth and certainty of the gospel in general is the
first joyful discovery they have; in

whether this God
has not left some sign of Himself.

I see many contradictory religions, and consequently all false save one.
Each wants to be believed on its own authority, and threatens unbelievers. I
do not therefore believe them. Every one can say this; every one can call
himself a prophet. But I see that Christian religion wherein prophecies are
fulfilled; and that is what every one cannot do.

694. And what crowns all this is prediction, so that it should not be said
that it is chance which has done it?

Whosoever, having only a week to live, will not find out that it is
expedient to believe that all this is not a stroke of chance...

Now, if the passions had no hold on us, a week and a hundred years would
amount to the same thing.

695. Prophecies.--Great Pan is dead.

696. Susceperunt verbum cum omni aviditate, scrutantes Scripturas, si ita se
haberent.[138]

697. Prodita lege. Impleta cerne. Implenda collige.[139]

698. We understand the prophecies only when we see the events happen. Thus
the proofs of retreat, discretion, silence, etc., are proofs only to those
who know and believe them.

Joseph so internal in a law so external.

Outward penances dispose to inward, as humiliations to humility. Thus the...

699. The synagogue has preceded the church; the Jews, the Christians. The
prophets have foretold the Christians; Saint John, Jesus Christ.

700. It is glorious to see with the eyes of faith the history of Herod and
of Caesar.

701. The zeal of the Jews for their law and their temple (Josephus, and
Philo the Jew, Ad Caium). What other people had such a zeal? It was
necessary they should have it.

Jesus Christ foretold as to the time and the state of the world. The ruler
taken from the thigh, and the fourth monarchy. How lucky we are to see this
light amidst this darkness!

How fine it is to see, with the eyes of fai

People of education are not called poets or mathematicians, etc.; but they
are all these and judges of all these. No one guesses what they are. When
they come into society, they talk on matters about which the rest are
talking. We do not observe in them one quality rather than another, save
when they have to make use of it. But then we remember it, for it is
characteristic of such persons that we do not say of them that they are fine
speakers, when it is not a question of oratory, and that we say of them that
they are fine speakers, when it is such a question.

It is therefore false praise to give a man when we say of him, on his entry,
that he is a very clever poet; and it is a bad sign when a man is not asked
to give his judgement on some verses.

35. We should not be able to say of a man, "He is a mathematician," or "a
preacher," or "eloquent"; but that he is "a gentleman." That universal
quality alone pleases me. It is a bad sign when, on seeing a person, you
remember his book. I would prefer you to see no quality till you meet it and
have occasion to use it (Ne quid minis),[3] for fear some one quality
prevail and designate the man. Let none think him a fine speaker, unless
oratory be in question, and then let them think it.

3

religion, then, teaches men these two truths; that there is a
God whom men can know, and that there is a corruption in their nature which
renders them unworthy of Him. It is equally important to men to know both
these points; and it is equally dangerous for man to know God without
knowing his own wretchedness, and to know his own wretchedness without
knowing the Redeemer who can free him from it. The knowledge of only one of
these points gives rise either to the pride of philosophers, who have known
God, and not their own wretchedness, or to the despair of atheists, who know
their own wretchedness, but not the Redeemer.

And, as it is alike necessary to man to know these two points, so is it
alike merciful of God to have made us know them. The Christian religion does
this; it is in this that it consists.

Let us herein examine the order of the world and see if all things do not
tend to establish these two chief points of this religion: Jesus Christ is
end of all, and the centre to which all tends. Whoever knows Him knows the
reason of everything.

Those who fall into error err only through failure to see one of these two
things. We can, then, have an excellent knowledge of God without that of our
own wretchedness and of our own wretchedness without that of God. But we
cannot know Jesus Christ without knowing at the same time both God and our
own wretchedness.

Therefore I shall not undertake here to prove by natural reasons either the
existence of God, or the Trinity, or the immortality of the soul, or
anything of that nature; not only because I should not feel myself
sufficiently able to find in nature arguments to convince hardened atheists,
but also because such knowledge without Jesus Christ is useless and barren.
Though a man should be convinced that numerical proportions are immaterial
truths, eternal and dependent on a first truth,

wanting. The rule is
uprightness.

Beauty of omission, of judgement.

31. All the false beauties which we blame in Cicero have their admirers, and
in great number.

32. There is a certain standard of grace and beauty which consists in a
certain relation between our nature, such as it is, weak or strong, and the
thing which pleases us.

Whatever is formed according to this standard pleases us, be it house, song,
discourse, verse, prose, woman, birds, rivers, trees, rooms, dress, etc.
Whatever is not made according to this standard displeases those who have
good taste.

And as there is a perfect relation between a song and a house which are made
after a good model, because they are like this good model, though each after
its kind; even so there is a perfect relation between things made after a
bad model. Not that the bad model is unique, for there are many; but each
bad sonnet, for example, on whatever false model it is formed, is just like
a woman dressed after that model.

Nothing makes us understand better the ridiculousness of a false sonnet than
to consider nature and the standard and, then, to imagine a woman or a house
made according to that standard.

33. Poetical beauty.--As we speak of poetical beauty, so ought we to speak
of mathematical beauty and medical beauty. But we do not do so; and the
reason is that we know well what is the object of mathematics, and that it
consists in proofs, and what is the object of medicine, and that it consists
in healing. But we do not know in what grace consists, which is the object
of poetry. We do not know the natural model which we ought to imitate; and
through lack of this knowledge, we have coined fantastic terms, "The golden
age," "The wonder of our times," "Fatal," etc., and call this jargon
poetical beauty.

But whoever

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
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> Niteawk wrote:
>>
>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>> news:5vs83dF1mufjmU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:5vs2h2F1nlap3U2@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>>> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill 
>>>>>> marched on the capital, there is never a copper around when you want 
>>>>>> one. They accused the government of robbing them over a pay rise 
>>>>>> agreement, no surprises there and no arrests were made.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill 
>>>>>> left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what 
>>>>>> the ol bill earn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why 
>>>>>> are they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an 
>>>>> employer can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work 
>>>>> for minimum pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. 
>>>>> Others just don't want to work at all and languish on JSA for years 
>>>>> moaning about their lot in life.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The NMW is a charter to rip workers off, it should be called the 
>>>> national poverty wage, because thats all its good for.
>>>>
>>>> I dont know where you get this "others dont want to work" nonsense 
>>>> from, you have no proof of that.
>>>>
>>>> "Move on to better paid jobs" ????? yet more pie in the sky nonsense, 
>>>> if better paid jobs were available, I am sure they are long gone by 
>>>> now.
>>>
>>> It's better than what existed before where people were being paid £2 an 
>>> hour and having to work 80 hours a week.
>>>
>>
>> I am sure people were on £2 an hour, there was a time when people were on 
>> £2 per week or year even, we have moved on since then, there is such a 
>> thing as the cost of living to consider, if the NMW is so fair then all 
>> government and public sector workers should accept it, thats all they 
>> should be allowed to earn.
>
> You know fine well what I meant. There were people earning £2 an hour when 
> the NMW came in back in the late 90s.
>
> It's not meant to be a wage that's the be all and end all - but it's 
> better than living on JSA or earning very low wages and having to work all 
> the hours under the sun. It can also be a stepping stone between JSA and 
> getting a higher paid job.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> How is it pie in the sky that people move on to better paid jobs? It's 
>>> easier to get a better paid job when you're in employment. Many 
>>> employers won't touch the long term unemployed with a barge pole. Far 
>>> better to employ someone with a work history. As for "if better paid 
>>> jobs were available, I'm sure they are long gone by now", well that's 
>>> just one of the silliest things I've heard. Jobs become available all 
>>> the time, or do you think a job vacancy only exists once and that is it 
>>> forever? They are out there, but they are probably out of your reach 
>>> since you will never get one while you languish on the dole moaning 
>>> about your lot in life.
>>
>> Who cares what employers do or who they will or wont employ, I dont. All 
>> I know is the NMW is not an acceptable rate of pay when compared to the 
>> current cost of living.
>
> yet you choose to stay on benefit and get under £60 a week. Assuming 
> you're single, of course.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Face it Niteawk, you've made yourself virtually unemployable. You need 
>>> to do what other long term unemployed do, start at the bottom on NMW and 
>>> work your way up to a decent job. You aren't likely to get one in the 
>>> position you are currently in.
>>>
>>
>> Why dont you face it, if people are or have become unemployable then its 
>> due to the way this country is being run. Its not up to me to create 
>> jobs, provide training and education, thats down to the government. 
>> Obviously they are quite happy with the work force the way it is, if they 
>> need skilled and trades people, they just open the flood gates and let 
>> them in from abroad. If companies want cheaper labour then they can 
>> relocate to some third world country and pay 10p per day wages with an 
>> optional bowl of rice thrown in, thats the way it is these days.
>
> No. people have become unemployable because they are ultimately allowed to 
> fester on benefits.


Lol, so you agree with me, its the governments fault afterall :)

>
> Face it, come this time next year you'll still be posting the same things 
> and you'll still be unemployed.


This time next year I could be a millionaire :)

On 24 Jan, 20:59, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Mike"  wrote in message
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>
> > On 24 Jan, 18:32, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> >> "Robbie"  wrote in message
>
> >>news:5vs2h2F1nlap3U2@mid.individual.net...
>
> >> > Niteawk wrote:
> >> >> WTF! History was made yesterday as some 20,000 off duty ol bill
> >> >> marched
> >> >> on the capital, there is never a copper around when you want one. They
> >> >> accused the government of robbing them over a pay rise agreement, no> >> >> surprises there and no arrests were made.
>
> >> >> I bet if you gave them the minimum wage we would not have any ol bill
> >> >> left, but mear mortals on JSA are expected to work for half of what
> >> >> the
> >> >> ol bill earn.
>
> >> >> The NMW is not good enough for our police or the government so why are
> >> >> they trying to force the unemployed to work for such a low pay?
>
> >> >> Clearly no fucker in their right mind wants to work for NMW.
>
> >> > it's called the National Minimum Wage because it's the minimum an
> >> > employer
> >> > can pay. Most pay above NMW. Of course no-one wants to work for minimum
> >> > pay but some do, and then move on to better paid jobs. Others just
> >> > don't
> >> > want to work at all and languish on JSA for years moaning about their> >> > lot
> >> > in life.
>
> >> The NMW is a charter to rip workers off, it should be called the national
> >> poverty wage, because thats all its good for.
>
> >> I dont know where you get this "others dont want to work" nonsense from> >> you
> >> have no proof of that.
>
> >> "Move on to better paid jobs" ????? yet more pie in the sky nonsense, if
> >> better paid jobs were available, I am sure they are long gone by now.-
> >> Hide quoted text -
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> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > There are some jobs people will do for NMW, I doubt dealing with
> > drunks on a saturday night and the other 'pleasant' jobs the police
> > get to do are amongst them.
>
> Being a copper must be really hard, my arse it is. I could do it no problem,
> most of the time is spent sitting around doing nothing or pulling motorists
> for speeding or no tax. Yeah thats a really hard job.
>
>
>
> > It's a vocation as much as a job but there's still a price society has
> > to pay if you want the job done and if so many are prepared to bitch,
> > moan and march about it clearly the price being paid is not enough.
>
> They can demand higher pay because there is enough of them to do it, nobody
> gives a shit about what happens on council estates any more, they can strike
> if they want, no one would notice. I dare say that in some areas people
> think they have been on strike for years.

Rather free with the generalisations here niteawk, I lived right next
door to a council estate and the inhabitants by and large worked and
were decent people.  It was largely indistinguishable from the rest of
the estate which was owner occupied.

> > I wonder how many will march in support of a payrise for nitawk?  I
> > doubt even niteawk would get out of the sack..
>
> I am organising this right now, peasants of the UK unite, if all low paid
> unskilled workers went on strike tomorrow, this country would grind to a
> halt.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

No shit sherlock!  I doubt anyone would argue with that statement as
it's so effing obvious.  Of course the low paid use supermarkets,
shops, banks, pubs, DWP offices and have their bins emptied.  All of
these would grind to a halt hurting the strikers as much if not more
than anyone else.

We certainly wouldn't notice if you went on strike.

Mike