Hello,
I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
confused as to the Income Support rules about this. 
I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
premium, (is it called the severe disability premium?), UNLESS I have
a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA
or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it. 
So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do I
need to know about?
Any help or advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
"yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
Thanks
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the 
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined,
 imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward 
uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one 
half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."

Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia".

GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
> Hello,
> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
> confused as to the Income Support rules about this. 
> I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
> premium, (is it called the severe disability premium?), UNLESS I have
> a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
> am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA
> or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it. 
> So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do I
> need to know about?
> Any help or advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
> "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
> Thanks

see

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/advisers/rr2/working/05.asp

You will qualify for the Severe Disability Premium as the presence of 
your father in the household is ignored because he gets AA.

Similarly, he too can get extra Pension Credit (if he qualifies) as he 
too will be entitled to the similar SDP paid with PC as your presence is 
ignored because you get DLA at the middle or higher rate of the care 
element.

However, in order to get the SDP there has to be no-one receiving 
Invalid Care Allowance for you (and in the case of your father, for him).



-- 
Robbie

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:28:50 +0000, Robbie 
wrote:

>GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
>> confused as to the Income Support rules about this. 
>> I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
>> premium, (is it called the severe disability premium?), UNLESS I have
>> a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
>> am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA
>> or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it. 
>> So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do I
>> need to know about?
>> Any help or advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
>> "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
>> Thanks
>
>see
>
>http://www.dwp.gov.uk/advisers/rr2/working/05.asp
>
>You will qualify for the Severe Disability Premium as the presence of 
>your father in the household is ignored because he gets AA.
>
>Similarly, he too can get extra Pension Credit (if he qualifies) as he 
>too will be entitled to the similar SDP paid with PC as your presence is 
>ignored because you get DLA at the middle or higher rate of the care 
>element.
>
>However, in order to get the SDP there has to be no-one receiving 
>Invalid Care Allowance for you (and in the case of your father, for him).

Thanks for your reply, that`s very good news! No one gets CA for me,
but I get it for my Father. So, I guess he won`t be entitled to the
extra pension credit. Will the CA stop me getting the extra IS?
And how long is it likely to be before I hear from them, assuming CA
dosn`t effect it? I was awarded the DLA about two weeks ago.
 
"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the 
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined,
 imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward 
uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one 
half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."

Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia".

GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:28:50 +0000, Robbie 
> wrote:
> 
>> GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
>>> confused as to the Income Support rules about this. 
>>> I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
>>> premium, (is it called the severe disability premium?), UNLESS I have
>>> a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
>>> am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA
>>> or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it. 
>>> So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do I
>>> need to know about?
>>> Any help or advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
>>> "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
>>> Thanks
>> see
>>
>> http://www.dwp.gov.uk/advisers/rr2/working/05.asp
>>
>> You will qualify for the Severe Disability Premium as the presence of 
>> your father in the household is ignored because he gets AA.
>>
>> Similarly, he too can get extra Pension Credit (if he qualifies) as he 
>> too will be entitled to the similar SDP paid with PC as your presence is 
>> ignored because you get DLA at the middle or higher rate of the care 
>> element.
>>
>> However, in order to get the SDP there has to be no-one receiving 
>> Invalid Care Allowance for you (and in the case of your father, for him).
> 
> Thanks for your reply, that`s very good news! No one gets CA for me,
> but I get it for my Father. So, I guess he won`t be entitled to the
> extra pension credit. Will the CA stop me getting the extra IS?
> And how long is it likely to be before I hear from them, assuming CA
> dosn`t effect it? I was awarded the DLA about two weeks ago.
>  

If you are currently getting IS along with the CA (I called it Invalid 
Care Allowance which is its old name) then you will continue to get IS 
since the premiums on your IS will increase. The premiums you will now 
get are:

Carers Premium (because you get CA)
Disability Premium
Severe Disability Premium

if you currently don't get the DP then this will start as you now 
receive DLA.

Like everything else in life, when there's a good side there's also a 
down side... if you aren't getting the DP at present then it will start 
but you will be possibly subject to the All Work Test (better known as a 
medical) as your Income Support contains the Disability Premium. 
However, and this is important, as you get Carers Allowance you can fail 
the medical and still get Income Support AND still get all three 
premiums! Given this fact, you may never be called to have a medical 
since your benefit can't stop unless you come into money or whatever!


-- 
Robbie

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:29:44 +0000, Robbie 
wrote:

>GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:28:50 +0000, Robbie 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
>>>> confused as to the Income Support rules about this. 
>>>> I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
>>>> premium, (is it called the severe disability premium?), UNLESS I have
>>>> a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
>>>> am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA
>>>> or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it. 
>>>> So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do I
>>>> need to know about?
>>>> Any help or advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
>>>> "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
>>>> Thanks
>>> see
>>>
>>> http://www.dwp.gov.uk/advisers/rr2/working/05.asp
>>>
>>> You will qualify for the Severe Disability Premium as the presence of 
>>> your father in the household is ignored because he gets AA.
>>>
>>> Similarly, he too can get extra Pension Credit (if he qualifies) as he 
>>> too will be entitled to the similar SDP paid with PC as your presence is 
>>> ignored because you get DLA at the middle or higher rate of the care 
>>> element.
>>>
>>> However, in order to get the SDP there has to be no-one receiving 
>>> Invalid Care Allowance for you (and in the case of your father, for him).
>> 
>> Thanks for your reply, that`s very good news! No one gets CA for me,
>> but I get it for my Father. So, I guess he won`t be entitled to the
>> extra pension credit. Will the CA stop me getting the extra IS?
>> And how long is it likely to be before I hear from them, assuming CA
>> dosn`t effect it? I was awarded the DLA about two weeks ago.
>>  
>
>If you are currently getting IS along with the CA (I called it Invalid 
>Care Allowance which is its old name) then you will continue to get IS 
>since the premiums on your IS will increase. The premiums you will now 
>get are:
>
>Carers Premium (because you get CA)
>Disability Premium
>Severe Disability Premium
>
>if you currently don't get the DP then this will start as you now 
>receive DLA.
>
>Like everything else in life, when there's a good side there's also a 
>down side... if you aren't getting the DP at present then it will start 
>but you will be possibly subject to the All Work Test (better known as a 
>medical) as your Income Support contains the Disability Premium. 

Great, thanks so much for your help. I do get the DP already, so I
guess your explanation accounts for them not having called me for a
couple of years. I thought it was `cause they didn`t like me ;-)

>However, and this is important, as you get Carers Allowance you can fail 
>the medical and still get Income Support AND still get all three 
>premiums! Given this fact, you may never be called to have a medical 
>since your benefit can't stop unless you come into money or whatever!

Looks like I have come into the money, by my standards at least! The
extra money should really help a lot, I might even get a car.
I`m feeling really cherful now!
Thanks a lot :-)


"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the 
introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined,
 imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward 
uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one 
half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."

Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia".

GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:28:50 +0000, Robbie 
> wrote:
> 
>> GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
>>> confused as to the Income Support rules about this. 
>>> I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
>>> premium, (is it called the severe disability premium?), UNLESS I have
>>> a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
>>> am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA
>>> or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it. 
>>> So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do I
>>> need to know about?
>>> Any help or advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
>>> "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
>>> Thanks
>> see
>>
>> http://www.dwp.gov.uk/advisers/rr2/working/05.asp
>>
>> You will qualify for the Severe Disability Premium as the presence of 
>> your father in the household is ignored because he gets AA.
>>
>> Similarly, he too can get extra Pension Credit (if he qualifies) as he 
>> too will be entitled to the similar SDP paid with PC as your presence is 
>> ignored because you get DLA at the middle or higher rate of the care 
>> element.
>>
>> However, in order to get the SDP there has to be no-one receiving 
>> Invalid Care Allowance for you (and in the case of your father, for him).
> 
> Thanks for your reply, that`s very good news! No one gets CA for me,
> but I get it for my Father. So, I guess he won`t be entitled to the
> extra pension credit. Will the CA stop me getting the extra IS?
> And how long is it likely to be before I hear from them, assuming CA
> dosn`t effect it? I was awarded the DLA about two weeks ago.
>  

I just realise I never answered the last part. I would phone IS and tell 
them. However, the DLA unit should inform the IS section and your 
benefit should then be reassessed.

Just a note about maximising income to the family as a whole:

Your father is about £50 a week out of pocket because you get CA (which 
stops him getting the SDP). This applies only from when you started to 
get DLA. You are £27 or so better off because you get CA which means you 
get the Carers Premium in IS. Between you both you are £23 or so worse 
off than if you gave up the CA and both received the SDP. Obviously it 
is up to yourself what you do but you could give up the CA and the money 
your father will receive will more than offset the loss in your benefit. 
The only possible danger then is that you may get called for a medical...

-- 
Robbie

GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote in 
news:2c57p3l2vg6j7q0rm1sobie8jaq0oq5tbe@4ax.com:

> Hello,
> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a 
bit
> confused as to the Income Support rules about this. 
> I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of 
IS
> premium, (is it called the severe disability premium?), UNLESS I 
have
> a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and 
then I
> am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent 
received DLA
> or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it. 
> So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else 
do I
> need to know about?
> Any help or advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with 
all the
> "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.

IS is means tested.  It's always useful to apply for it, even if 
you are over the means limit.  It makes some stuff (at least, with 
me) easier when you're getting other benefits, eg housing benefit.

Robbie wrote:
> GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:28:50 +0000, Robbie 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
>>>> confused as to the Income Support rules about this. I understand in 
>>>> theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
>>>> premium, (snip
> Your father is about £50 a week out of pocket because you get CA (which 
> stops him getting the SDP). This applies only from when you started to 
> get DLA. You are £27 or so better off because you get CA which means you 
> get the Carers Premium in IS. Between you both you are £23 or so worse 
> off than if you gave up the CA and both received the SDP. Obviously it 
> is up to yourself what you do but you could give up the CA and the money 
> your father will receive will more than offset the loss in your benefit. 
> The only possible danger then is that you may get called for a medical...
> 

I'm on incapacity benefit and high rate DLA I was called for a medical 
and rang them as it used to be that if on DLA you weren't liable to the 
all work test. I asked if i had to do the AWT as i was on DLA and was 
told no, they then sent me a letter confirming that, whether they were 
right or wrong i don't know. just my six pennorth.
Martinmac

Martin McG wrote:
> Robbie wrote:
>> GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 20:28:50 +0000, Robbie 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> GoGoPoo@hotpop.com wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
>>>>> confused as to the Income Support rules about this. I understand in 
>>>>> theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
>>>>> premium, (snip
>> Your father is about £50 a week out of pocket because you get CA 
>> (which stops him getting the SDP). This applies only from when you 
>> started to get DLA. You are £27 or so better off because you get CA 
>> which means you get the Carers Premium in IS. Between you both you are 
>> £23 or so worse off than if you gave up the CA and both received the 
>> SDP. Obviously it is up to yourself what you do but you could give up 
>> the CA and the money your father will receive will more than offset 
>> the loss in your benefit. The only possible danger then is that you 
>> may get called for a medical...
>>
> 
> I'm on incapacity benefit and high rate DLA I was called for a medical 
> and rang them as it used to be that if on DLA you weren't liable to the 
> all work test. I asked if i had to do the AWT as i was on DLA and was 
> told no, they then sent me a letter confirming that, whether they were 
> right or wrong i don't know. just my six pennorth.
> Martinmac

The exemption is when someone is on the higher rate care element of DLA 
- anything else (including higher rate mobility) then the AWT will still 
apply unless the person has certain illnesses or diseases (which would 
normally get someone the higher rate care anyway).

-- 
Robbie

On Jan 20, 11:41�am, GoGo...@hotpop.com wrote:
> Hello,
> I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
> confused as to the Income Support rules about this.
> I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
> premium, (is it called the severedisabilitypremium?), UNLESS I have
> a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
> am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA
> or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it.
> So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do Ineedto know about?
> Anyhelpor advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
> "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
> Thanks
> "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
> introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined,
> �imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward
> uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one
> half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."
>
> Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia".

Robbie
I have severe epileptic grand mal seizures. The Lord carried me thru
48 hours of non-stop epileptic seizures and a 5 day coma.  I never
gave up thru all the applying steps for Disability, appeals before an
ALJ so if you are a
-U S citizen
- have been disable longer than 6 months
- were gainfully employeed prior to this
- have a certified physicians statement that you are disabled
and ready for 5-6 months of waiting and doctors appointments and want
some assistance through this process,Email me and I will contact you
to see how I can help you. Put need disability help in subject area.
In the body of Email tell me a little about yourself, disability,
former job Blessings to you
seekgod7@gmail.com or seekgod7@aol.com   :~)
I have help 2 people receive substantial back payments of many years
I only help 2 people at a time to give them full devotion so if you
need an advocate let me know to help you

On 21 Jan, 18:02, "seekg...@aol.com"  wrote:
> On Jan 20, 11:41�am, GoGo...@hotpop.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Hello,
> > I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
> > confused as to the Income Support rules about this.
> > I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
> > premium, (is it called the severedisabilitypremium?), UNLESS I have
> > a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
> > am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA
> > or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it.
> > So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do Ineedto know about?
> > Anyhelpor advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
> > "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
> > Thanks
> > "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
> > introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined,
> > �imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward
> > uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one
> > half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."
>
> > Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia".
>
> Robbie
> I have severe epileptic grand mal seizures. The Lord carried me thru
> 48 hours of non-stop epileptic seizures and a 5 day coma.  I never
> gave up thru all the applying steps for Disability, appeals before an
> ALJ so if you are a
> -U S citizen
> - have been disable longer than 6 months
> - were gainfully employeed prior to this
> - have a certified physicians statement that you are disabled
> and ready for 5-6 months of waiting and doctors appointments and want
> some assistance through this process,Email me and I will contact you
> to see how I can help you. Put need disability help in subject area.
> In the body of Email tell me a little about yourself, disability,
> former job Blessings to you
> seekg...@gmail.com or seekg...@aol.com   :~)
> I have help 2 people receive substantial back payments of many years
> I only help 2 people at a time to give them full devotion so if you
> need an advocate let me know to help you- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

jeeeeeesus .............

Mike

On 21 Jan, 22:56, Mike 
wrote:
> On 21 Jan, 18:02, "seekg...@aol.com"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 20, 11:41�am, GoGo...@hotpop.com wrote:
>
> > > Hello,
> > > I`ve just been awarded DLA at the middle rate of care, and am a bit
> > > confused as to the Income Support rules about this.
> > > I understand in theory, that I am entitled to a higher rate of IS
> > > premium, (is it called the severedisabilitypremium?), UNLESS I have
> > > a "non-dependent" living with me (which I do, my Father), and then I
> > > am excluded. But I`ve also read that if the non-dependent received DLA> > > or AA (which he does, e.g. AA), then I am still entitled to it.
> > > So, the question is, am I, or am I not, entiltled. And what else do Ineedto know about?
> > > Anyhelpor advice greatly appreciated, as I`m a bit lost with all the
> > > "yes buts" and no buts" in the laws.
> > > Thanks
> > > "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the
> > > introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined,
> > > �imprisoned, yet we have not advanced one inch toward
> > > uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one
> > > half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites."
>
> > > Thomas Jefferson, "Notes on the State of Virginia".
>
> > Robbie
> > I have severe epileptic grand mal seizures. The Lord carried me thru
> > 48 hours of non-stop epileptic seizures and a 5 day coma.  I never
> > gave up thru all the applying steps for Disability, appeals before an
> > ALJ so if you are a
> > -U S citizen
> > - have been disable longer than 6 months
> > - were gainfully employeed prior to this
> > - have a certified physicians statement that you are disabled
> > and ready for 5-6 months of waiting and doctors appointments and want
> > some assistance through this process,Email me and I will contact you
> > to see how I can help you. Put need disability help in subject area.
> > In the body of Email tell me a little about yourself, disability,
> > former job Blessings to you
> > seekg...@gmail.com or seekg...@aol.com   :~)
> > I have help 2 people receive substantial back payments of many years
> > I only help 2 people at a time to give them full devotion so if you
> > need an advocate let me know to help you- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> jeeeeeesus .............
>
> Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Pretty much says it all Mike.


Martin  <><