On 5 Dec, 13:03, ghostwhist...@googlemail.com wrote:
> On Dec 5, 10:41 am, "mart2...@hotmail.com" 
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> > On 5 Dec, 08:03, ghostwhist...@googlemail.com wrote:
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> > > On Dec 4, 10:08 pm, "Niteawk"  wrote:
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> > > >news:6fae1913-d5c5-4d07-bb23-a269f1020705@f3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > > On 4 Dec, 21:15, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> > > > >>  wrote in message
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> > > > >>news:7ddf53e9-5475-49d7-8402-ad96873104e7@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
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> > > > >> > On 4 Dec, 19:00, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> > > > >> >> "Robbie"  wrote in message
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> > > > >> >>news:5rlfmkF151r30U2@mid.individual.net...
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> > > > >> >> > Niteawk wrote:
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> > > > >> >> >>> Seems to be a fair bit of screw them on both sides.Plusa good
> > > > >> >> >>> chunk
> > > > >> >> >>> of trying to do the rigfht thing on each side too.
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> > > > >> >> >> I dont think so, a very high percentage will be signing on for the
> > > > >> >> >> first
> > > > >> >> >> time ever.Plusa fair percentage will not be out of work for long,
> > > > >> >> >> you
> > > > >> >> >> cant say these people have a screw them attitude. Maybe you can,
> > > > >> >> >> this
> > > > >> >> >> proves what some of us have been saying, you tar everyone with the
> > > > >> >> >> same
> > > > >> >> >> brush.
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> > > > >> >> > it does work both ways...
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> > > > >> >> Oh no it does not, there is a big difference, you lot make the rules
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> > > > >> >> call the tune, like I said before, its down to you and how you treat
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> > > > >> > You lot?
> > > > >> > I'm a charity worker who begs for a living. On a commercial scale
> > > > >> > (spare a grand guv?).
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> > > > >> > I and the staff I work with have to have some rules. Which we do
> > > > >> > make.
> > > > >> > Things like no dealing on the premises. Outside the door is a
> > > > >> > different matter....
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> > > > >> > Martin  <><
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> > > > >> Yes of course you need rules, the rules I speak of are rules which are of
> > > > >> no
> > > > >> use to anyone, bureaucracy for the sake of it like Mandatory Courses, if
> > > > >> those fucking courses were any good you would not have to force people to
> > > > >> attend them, they would be queing up of their own free will.- Hide quoted
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> > > > > I take it you would't go on another New Deal course if you could help
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> > > > I would attend actually, free tea and biscuits is not to be sniffed at. No
> > > > seriously I would attend, for about 1/2 hour or so to make use of the free
> > > > stamps and envelopes, apart from that the rest of it is a waste of time.
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> > > what use are free stamps when employers don't receive or properly
> > > record the arrival of an application? Then you get your benefit
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> > Can't do a thing about not receiving it (except hand it in by hand),
> > TNT aren't the only people to lose post.
> > But record receipt of an application? Not easy for employers. We
> > aren't talking a handful of applications, we are talking hundreds.
> > Sifting for interview might leave a half dozen - we shred the rest.
> > Someone asking weeks later about an application that didn't go for
> > interview? Not a chance of remembering.
> > Remember, no-one gives the employer extra money for extra admin or
> > storage of applications - extra costs have to be met from existing
> > funds.
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> > Martin  <><
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> End result: employer says person didn't apply JC naturally sides with
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If the JC was to give the employer money for each application made,
then employers would have no trouble at least notifying the JC that
xxxxx has sent an application form in.
But without that, its down to how much extra hassle the employer wants
and has to pay for.

Martin  <><