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> > On 4 Dec, 21:57, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> >> "Robbie"  wrote in message
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> >> > Niteawk wrote:
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> >> >>> Niteawk wrote:
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> >> >>>> "Robbie"  wrote in message
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> >> >>>>> Niteawk wrote:
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> >> >>>>>> "Robbie"  wrote in message
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> >> >>>>>>>>> Seems to be a fair bit of screw them on both sides. Plus a good
> >> >>>>>>>>> chunk
> >> >>>>>>>>> of trying to do the rigfht thing on each side too.
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> >> >>>>>>>> I dont think so, a very high percentage will be signing on for
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>> first
> >> >>>>>>>> time ever. Plus a fair percentage will not be out of work for
> >> >>>>>>>> long,
> >> >>>>>>>> you
> >> >>>>>>>> cant say these people have a screw them attitude. Maybe you can,
> >> >>>>>>>> this
> >> >>>>>>>> proves what some of us have been saying, you tar everyone with
> >> >>>>>>>> the
> >> >>>>>>>> same
> >> >>>>>>>> brush.
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> >> >>>>>>> it does work both ways...
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> >> >>>>>> Oh no it does not, there is a big difference, you lot make the
> >> >>>>>> rules
> >> >>>>>> and call the tune, like I said before, its down to you and how you
> >> >>>>>> treat people.
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> >> >>>>> The staff don't make the rules. And as for "its down to you and how
> >> >>>>> you treat people" - how do you want to be treated when you
> >> >>>>> eventually
> >> >>>>> find a job? I bet you wouldn't want to be treated like shite? Why
> >> >>>>> should DWP staff be treated any different? Or are the DWP staff
> >> >>>>> fair
> >> >>>>> game?
> >> >>>>> --
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> >> >>>> Fair game when they deliver bullshit, there are no problems if you
> >> >>>> treat people fairly. As in life if you want respect you have to earn
> >> >>>> it, muck people about and suffer the consequences. You need to stop
> >> >>>> operating at idiot level, pretending to help people and then
> >> >>>> offering
> >> >>>> them dead end low paid jobs, people are not the fools you think they
> >> >>>> are.
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> >> >>> People turn up to do a job - whether it's working for the leccy
> >> >>> board,
> >> >>> the Co-Op or the DWP. Do you think the DWP staff go home and plan the
> >> >>> next day? The staff work for the money - albeit it isn't much - then
> >> >>> they leave the office and go home.
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> >> >>> The only people that care are the claimants!
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> >> >> Ahh Mr Bond, at last you are making sense, thats why we dont need your
> >> >> ND
> >> >> muppets pretending to care. We can do it for ourselves so butt out
> >> >> anytime soon and let us get on with sorting our own lives out. I would
> >> >> be
> >> >> in work now if it wasnt for ND.
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> >> > What a load of bollocks! You'd be in work if you got your arse out of
> >> > bed
> >> > and made the effort. What you wrote above is hilarious. How come you
> >> > are
> >> > still on the dole while most of the population have managed to find
> >> > work?
> >> > And why is the centre of your life the DWP? You're one of these people
> >> > who
> >> > thinks he knows it all and does fuck all to better his life. And then
> >> > whinges about it all when life gets hard.
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> >> I dont like swearing but seeing as you are angry I will let it go this
> >> time
> >> :) No its true, if it wasnt for ND I would be in work by now, instead I
> >> must
> >> occupy my time to meet their criteria in order to qualify for JSA. I can
> >> only do what they tell me to do, if they left me alone then I would have
> >> to
> >> find a job myself, this I could do because I always tailor my own CV's to
> >> the job I am after, thats point 1, I now have the same stupid fucking CV
> >> for
> >> all jobs. Point 2, I have been sent to work in the voluntary sector for 4
> >> days a week, how the fuck am I going to find work while I am working for
> >> charity. Point 3, the jobs they make me apply for every friday are not
> >> suitable, plus there is about 40 of us in the same room all going for the
> >> same jobs. They are not fucking helping everytime I attend my ND
> >> interviews,
> >> on at least 3 occasions I was supposed to attend a job interviews, guess
> >> what, they clashed with my fucking pointless ND appointments. Was I going
> >> to
> >> waste money I did not have phoning them at the risk of losing JSA for not
> >> attending, or did I attend ND? think on mush, you lot do more harm than
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> > Tailoring the CV to the job?
> > Ummm....is that noticeable to the employer? Or is it just minor
> > changes to highlight particular areas?
> > Minor tailoring takes just minutes, major tailoring of a document can
> > take days. But never heard of someone doing it to their Cv before.
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> Well I used to, I even created false references for some jobs to get what I
> wanted ;) will I do that now, no fucking way. The JC and ND dictate the way
> it should be done, so be it.
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> > The same CV for all jobs is what most people have. The information on
> > the CV tends to not change much except with time. After all, you don't
> > suddenly change educational qualifications years later, neither do
> > previous employers change much (but can be added to). So not exactly
> > at a disadvantage if using your standard CV.
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> In normal circumstances most people do, I OTOH have had many different jobs
> in the past.
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> > 4 days a week in the voluntary sector? Is that with Steps to Work?
> > Seriously, the voluntary sector (actually its the third sector) does
> > have plenty of jobs. Its more common to find people wanting to work in
> > the third sector being placed for 4 days a week. Not heard of people
> > being placed against their will yet (thats coming in a few years with
> > the government plans for 16 year olds).
> > And 4 days is usually 28 - 30 hours, leaving at least 138 hours to do
> > other things.
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> Not this place, this is a real charity, it does not have dozens of people on
> the payroll, only one person is on a wage and he runs the office etc.
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> > Timescale is such that there isn't usually enough time to get CRB
> > checks done first, so in many charities the work that can be done is
> > limited for volunteers there on short term.
> > We get them making drinks (we all do that anyway), playing pool with
> > clients, helping run activities (but not on their own) or helping sort
> > clothing and food. Hardly gripping stuff, but hardly a risk to clients
> > either.
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> Not in our place either, we do not deal with vulnerable sorts and the people
> we are actually doing the work for live in the so called 3rd world.- Hide quoted text -
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There are 190,000 real charities. Only a small percentage have any
paid staff at all.
Funding tends to dictate how many staff are on the payroll - that
first, before even any need for more people to do the work.

Did you ask to go and work for a charity? Or were you pushed into it?

Martin  <><