Obviously its not enough so its under review, thats what these clowns get 
paid for doing nothing, and they say we are scroungers.



Appointment title :Non- Executive Board Member
Organisation :Jobcentre Plus/ DWP
Location :London




Start date of appointment :February 2008
Closing date for applications :10/12/2007
Length of appointment :3 years
Time commitment :20 days
Remuneration :£1,000 a day (under review)
Expenses :reasonable travel and subsistence expenses.



Role specification :DWP and Jobcentre Plus are at the heart of the 
Government's plans for welfare reform. Jobcentre Plus is an executive agency 
of the DWP, created in 2001, and brings into reality the Government's aim to 
promote equality and independence for all. Jobcentre Plus is the DWP's 
largest business with c.66,000 full time equivalent staff and a budget of 
approximately £1.6 billion.

Jobcentre Plus is a highly successful and dynamic organisation with a strong 
set of values. It delivers an integrated and work-focused service to 
jobseekers, benefit recipients of working age and employers. Its main focus 
is helping more workless people into jobs, helping employers to fill their 
vacancies, paying benefits, meeting customers' needs and improving access 
and accessibility through modernised and upgraded services. Its employees 
are based in around 1,000 Jobcentres, contact centres and benefit delivery 
centres around the country - and a number of Head Office locations.







Every working day, Jobcentre Plus:
. helps around 6,500 people find work;
. conducts over 45,000 adviser interviews;
. pays around £100 million in benefits;
. Receives over 862,000 job searches on its website.

The business is currently undergoing a major transformation. This 
transformation has the twin drivers of improved customer service and greater 
efficiency requirements.

The Jobcentre Plus vision is to deliver a single integrated service for all 
customers of working age. It is incrementally increasing its focus on the 
hardest to help customers and those who are not in touch with the labour 
market. It will use a network of local partnerships to help customers 
overcome the barriers to work and support them in the difficult transition 
from welfare to work that will change their lives. The network of Jobcentres 
has been transformed and a network of modern contact centres and benefit 
delivery centres has been built. It needs to achieve all of this against the 
background of stretching Government targets for improved performance, 
greater efficiency and the reduction of staff numbers. Jobcentre Plus is 
also leading the government's flagship employer policy, Local Employment 
Partnerships, As a Non- Executive board member this is your chance to make a 
real difference to the delivery of key public services.

Person specification :The primary appointment is as a member of the 
Jobcentre Plus Board, with a specific remit to support its strategic 
marketing activity.

Jobcentre Plus Board
The Jobcentre Plus Board comprises the Chief Executive, the Chief Operating 
Officer, Executive and Non-Executive Directors of Jobcentre Plus and a DWP 
policy adviser. The Chief Executive has recently appointed a non-executive 
chairman. The Board supports the Chief Executive in meeting her 
accountabilities to the Permanent Secretary and to Parliament. Its key 
functions are setting the strategic direction of the organisation, providing 
leadership, and making decisions on the deployment of resources, corporate 
governance and performance management of the business.
Candidates for this appointment are likely to have significant experience in 
senior marketing roles in either a large-scale, customer focused 
organisation (and ideally in a regulated market such as financial services) 
or as a board member in a leading marketing consultancy or professional 
services company. Some knowledge of Government would be advantageous but it 
is not a pre-requisite.

Previous experience as a practitioner of strategic marketing in a large 
scale complex organisation is essential. Candidates will also need to be 
equipped to engage with Jobcentre Plus's corporate governance arrangements. 
An understanding of corporate social responsibility and experience of 
successfully managing change in a multi -site service delivery organisation 
with multiple product or service lines is highly desirable.
The DWP has a corporate function which manages the overall marketing and 
communication strategy for the Department including the development of a new 
customer insight function. This has recently been introduced to support the 
Department and its business units, re-engineer their operational capability 
to provide greater efficiency and customer focus.

The successful candidate will need to be able to contribute to Jobcentre 
Plus' response to this change programme and be capable of bringing best 
practice and providing constructive peer challenge across the full marketing 
and communications mix.

More specifically, candidates will be expected to demonstrate:

.a successful track record in strategic marketing in a large, complex 
organisation
.ability to influence and build constructive relationships at a senior level 
across Jobcentre Plus;
.experience of major organisational, people and culture change;
.experience of applying customer insights to improve customer service
.experience of developing successful stakeholder engagement across 
organisational and service boundaries;
.a personal and professional commitment to diversity that translates into 
practical advice and action to support Jobcentre Plus' ability to 
communicate with "hard to hear" and "hard to reach" customer groups;
.substantial track record of business leadership at senior level;
.the ability and appetite to deal with complex policy and strategic issues 
at a national level, as well as the practical skills necessary to make a 
real contribution to the delivery of Jobcentre Plus services;
.a personal style which is incisive and challenging but not confrontational;
.evidence of strong, personal interest in the goals of Jobcentre Plus;
.an articulate communicator, able to build strong relationships;
.the successful candidate will add value to the Board and demonstrate the 
ability to be creative, objective, challenging, thought-provoking and 
constructive, with good interpersonal skills. He or she should be an 
effective team player and capable of acting as an ambassador for Jobcentre 
Plus.

It is expected that the combined commitments of Jobcentre Plus Board, 
Corporate Governance Board, together with some ad-hoc days will comprise a 
total commitment of some 20 days per annum.

Successful applicants will need to demonstrate that there are no conflicts 
of interest between their appointment and any of their other personal or 
business interests.




How to apply :Applications are welcome from members of ethnic minorities, 
those with disabilities, and both men and women. Jobcentre Plus is committed 
to the principle of public appointments based on merit, independent 
assessments and openness, with transparency of process.

To apply for this post please send a comprehensive CV and supporting 
statement quoting the reference number 5551 by no later than 10th December 
2007.

Please ensure your supporting statement fully addresses the essential 
criteria in the person specification
Referees

You should give the names, positions, organisations and telephone contact 
numbers of at least two referees, one of whom should be your current/most 
recent employer.
If you specifically do not wish referees to be approached without your prior 
permission, then you should indicate that fact.

Applications should be sent to:
Katie Higgins
17 Rochester Row
London
SW1P 1RP

Applications can be emailed to Katie.higgins@veredus.co.uk or faxed on 0207 
932 4201. If you fax your application, please follow up with a clean 
application in the post.

Veredus Executive Resourcing will respect the privacy of any initial 
approach or expression of interest in this role, whether formal or informal.

Queries

If you have any queries about this appointment or would like an informal and 
confidential discussion please contact Katie Higgins on 0207 932 4237 or 
Roger Russell on 020 7932 4263

Niteawk wrote:
<snip>
There's obviously a scarcity of people with the calibre to do this job, 
otherwise do you think they'd be offering a grand a day?
Not a bad wage though agreed!


-- 
Let us be lazy in everything,
except loving and drinking,
except in being lazy.
Lessing.

On 5 Dec, 09:14, we are the robots  wrote:
> Niteawk wrote:
>
> <snip>
> There's obviously a scarcity of people with the calibre to do this job,
> otherwise do you think they'd be offering a grand a day?
> Not a bad wage though agreed!
>
> --
> Let us be lazy in everything,
> except loving and drinking,
> except in being lazy.
> Lessing.

Yes, its below average for board members. Usually these posts are
filled by big business types, chief execs, ex-politicians, ex-judges.
Not uncommon for someone to hold several board memberships. Larger
companies do tend to pay a bit more. But government departments tend
to have budget constraints they have no control over.

Martin  <><

wrote in message 
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> On 5 Dec, 09:14, we are the robots  wrote:
>> Niteawk wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>> There's obviously a scarcity of people with the calibre to do this job,
>> otherwise do you think they'd be offering a grand a day?
>> Not a bad wage though agreed!
>>
>> --
>> Let us be lazy in everything,
>> except loving and drinking,
>> except in being lazy.
>> Lessing.
>
> Yes, its below average for board members. Usually these posts are
> filled by big business types, chief execs, ex-politicians, ex-judges.
> Not uncommon for someone to hold several board memberships. Larger
> companies do tend to pay a bit more. But government departments tend
> to have budget constraints they have no control over.
>
> Martin  <><


Some of the bits I like, they spelled the word workshy wrong again, 
workless, eh I ask you. They are going to help those who are not in touch 
with the labour market LOL :) They will help us to overcome barriers to 
work, which means climb the factory gates I suppose. 'The successful 
candidate will need to be able to contribute to Jobcentre Plus', an increase 
in staff by 1 should be enough. Its incredible they way they put this ad 
together, no New Deal wallah wrote this, it was done properly.

"Jobcentre Plus is a highly successful and dynamic organisation with a 
strong set of values. It delivers an integrated and work-focused service to 
jobseekers, benefit
recipients of working age and employers. Its main focus is helping more 
workless people into jobs"

"The business is currently undergoing a major transformation. This 
transformation has the twin drivers of improved customer service and greater 
efficiency requirements."

On 5 Dec, 13:57, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:5a77a194-5393-4dd6-b688-5d9b2cfc6345@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5 Dec, 09:14, we are the robots  wrote:
> >> Niteawk wrote:
>
> >> <snip>
> >> There's obviously a scarcity of people with the calibre to do this job,
> >> otherwise do you think they'd be offering a grand a day?
> >> Not a bad wage though agreed!
>
> >> --
> >> Let us be lazy in everything,
> >> except loving and drinking,
> >> except in being lazy.
> >> Lessing.
>
> > Yes, its below average for board members. Usually these posts are
> > filled by big business types, chief execs, ex-politicians, ex-judges.
> > Not uncommon for someone to hold several board memberships. Larger
> > companies do tend to pay a bit more. But government departments tend
> > to have budget constraints they have no control over.
>
> > Martin  <><
>
> Some of the bits I like, they spelled the word workshy wrong again,
> workless, eh I ask you. They are going to help those who are not in touch
> with the labour market LOL :) They will help us to overcome barriers to
> work, which means climb the factory gates I suppose. 'The successful
> candidate will need to be able to contribute to Jobcentre Plus', an increase
> in staff by 1 should be enough. Its incredible they way they put this ad
> together, no New Deal wallah wrote this, it was done properly.
>
> "Jobcentre Plus is a highly successful and dynamic organisation with a
> strong set of values. It delivers an integrated and work-focused service to
> jobseekers, benefit
> recipients of working age and employers. Its main focus is helping more
> workless people into jobs"
>
> "The business is currently undergoing a major transformation. This
> transformation has the twin drivers of improved customer service and greater
> efficiency requirements."- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
lower staffing'.
'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....

Martin  <><

wrote in message

> 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
> our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
> lower staffing'.
> 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
> only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>

Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better 
either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are always dead 
serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being male and 
all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed to work if 
they are married.

Niteawk wrote:
> 
>  wrote in message
> 
>> 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
>> our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
>> lower staffing'.
>> 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
>> only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>>
> 
> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better 
> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are always 
> dead serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being 
> male and all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed 
> to work if they are married.
> 

That's a bit of a sweeping statement. I've worked alongside many married 
Asian women. What makes you think they don't work when they get married? 
And how is it "not allowed" - "not allowed" by whom?

-- 
Robbie

On 5 Dec, 18:21, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
> > 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
> > our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
> > lower staffing'.
> > 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
> > only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>
> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better
> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are always dead
> serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being male and
> all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed to work if
> they are married.

Your prejudices are showing.....

Yes, staff have to keep being hired as DWP cannot keep all its staff.
But with budget cuts, there is usually a cap on new hires.
Never found any problem with any staff at the JC, of any ethnic origin
or sex. Some were better at their job than others, but even the women
wearing veils (that I can't then lipread) worked out OK with me.


Now some local authority staff, and one NHS staff member I do have
minor problems with. But thats in open meetings, not sat across a
desk.

Martin  <><

On 6 Dec, 00:11, Robbie  wrote:
> Niteawk wrote:
>
> >  wrote in message
>
> >> 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
> >> our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
> >> lower staffing'.
> >> 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
> >> only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>
> > Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better
> > either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are always
> > dead serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being
> > male and all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed
> > to work if they are married.
>
> That's a bit of a sweeping statement. I've worked alongside many married
> Asian women. What makes you think they don't work when they get married?
> And how is it "not allowed" - "not allowed" by whom?
>
> --
> Robbie- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

These days, not everyone can afford to stick to the idea of husband
working, wife at home. Though it is a popular choice with parents.
There might be some women not allowed to work by their husband. But
you won't find them working at the JC or even on a course then.

Martin  <><

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
news:5rot1sF15ejevU1@mid.individual.net...
> Niteawk wrote:
>>
>>  wrote in message
>>
>>> 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
>>> our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
>>> lower staffing'.
>>> 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
>>> only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>>>
>>
>> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better 
>> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are always 
>> dead serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being 
>> male and all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed 
>> to work if they are married.
>>
>
> That's a bit of a sweeping statement. I've worked alongside many married 
> Asian women. What makes you think they don't work when they get married? 
> And how is it "not allowed" - "not allowed" by whom?
>
> -- 

According to the media 1 in 10 in the UK believe honour killing is perfectly 
acceptable, I would say its much higher, not everyone is going to answer 
truthfully. They also hold the view that women should not speak to other men 
under any circumstances and should cover themselves from head to toe etc.
They have some strict rules about doing anything that might bring dishonour 
on the family, this includes doing some jobs which are considered 
unacceptable.
Dont ask because I dont know what jobs their rules extends to.

wrote in message 
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> On 5 Dec, 18:21, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
>> > 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
>> > our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
>> > lower staffing'.
>> > 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
>> > only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>>
>> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better
>> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are always 
>> dead
>> serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being male and
>> all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed to work if
>> they are married.
>
> Your prejudices are showing.....


What prejudices? Its idiot ideas like that what causes racial tension in the 
first place when you cant mention another race without some clown hinting at 
racism. It shows how ignorant you are that you cant have a discussion 
without making such a ridiculous assumption.

On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:35:32 +0000, Niteawk wrote:

>  wrote in message
> news:a646976e-08aa-4494-
ba7b-13d2a83b3859@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>> On 5 Dec, 18:21, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>>>  wrote in message
>>> > 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to
>>> > cut our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up
>>> > for lower staffing'.
>>> > 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
>>> > only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>>>
>>> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better
>>> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are
>>> always dead
>>> serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being male
>>> and all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed to
>>> work if they are married.
>>
>> Your prejudices are showing.....
> 
> 
> What prejudices? Its idiot ideas like that what causes racial tension in
> the first place when you cant mention another race without some clown
> hinting at racism. It shows how ignorant you are that you cant have a
> discussion without making such a ridiculous assumption.

So you like a bit of a laugh and a joke with the girls, do you?

Did anyone mention racism? Or has it never occurred to you that your 
behaviour may be just a little sexist, whatever your racial stance might 
be? Most women at work expect to be treated as colleagues in a 
professional manner, not chatted up as if they were in some night club.

Niteawk wrote:
> 
> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
> news:5rot1sF15ejevU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>
>>>  wrote in message
>>>
>>>> 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
>>>> our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
>>>> lower staffing'.
>>>> 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
>>>> only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the 
>>> better either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they 
>>> are always dead serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to 
>>> you, me being male and all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they 
>>> are not allowed to work if they are married.
>>>
>>
>> That's a bit of a sweeping statement. I've worked alongside many 
>> married Asian women. What makes you think they don't work when they 
>> get married? And how is it "not allowed" - "not allowed" by whom?
>>
>> -- 
> 
> According to the media 1 in 10 in the UK believe honour killing is 
> perfectly acceptable, I would say its much higher, not everyone is going 
> to answer truthfully. They also hold the view that women should not 
> speak to other men under any circumstances and should cover themselves 
> from head to toe etc.
> They have some strict rules about doing anything that might bring 
> dishonour on the family, this includes doing some jobs which are 
> considered unacceptable.
> Dont ask because I dont know what jobs their rules extends to.

A couple of generations ago it was the accepted norm that women in 
general ceased work upon marrying. In fact, relating this to the civil 
service, until 1971 women were expected to leave the service when they 
married and had to apply for permission to remain in post. I suppose 
it's possible that in some cultures this expectation is still prevalent 
but these days it's difficult for anyone to quit work, regardless of 
background, to be able to maintain a decent standard of living at home. 
And it's not really "Asian" women as such that you are probably 
referring to since Asia is quite some size continent and is probably 
more culturally diverse than Europe! I assume you mean Muslim women in 
particular? Though not all Muslim women are Asian, and there's probably 
more white English women than Asian Muslim women who quit work upon 
marrying.

-- 
Robbie

On 6 Dec, 09:35, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>  wrote in message
>
> news:a646976e-08aa-4494-ba7b-13d2a83b3859@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 5 Dec, 18:21, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> >>  wrote in message
> >> > 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to cut
> >> > our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
> >> > lower staffing'.
> >> > 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
> >> > only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>
> >> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better
> >> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are always
> >> dead
> >> serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being male and
> >> all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed to work if
> >> they are married.
>
> > Your prejudices are showing.....
>
> What prejudices? Its idiot ideas like that what causes racial tension in the
> first place when you cant mention another race without some clown hinting at
> racism. It shows how ignorant you are that you cant have a discussion
> without making such a ridiculous assumption.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Female asian staff?

I'm not saying you are racist or sexist. But you may have something
against female asian staff at the JC.

Martin  <><

"Robin T Cox"  wrote in message 
news:pLP5j.1965$1j1.1519@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:35:32 +0000, Niteawk wrote:
>
>>  wrote in message
>> news:a646976e-08aa-4494-
> ba7b-13d2a83b3859@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>> On 5 Dec, 18:21, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>>>>  wrote in message
>>>> > 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to
>>>> > cut our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up
>>>> > for lower staffing'.
>>>> > 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
>>>> > only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>>>>
>>>> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better
>>>> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are
>>>> always dead
>>>> serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being male
>>>> and all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed to
>>>> work if they are married.
>>>
>>> Your prejudices are showing.....
>>
>>
>> What prejudices? Its idiot ideas like that what causes racial tension in
>> the first place when you cant mention another race without some clown
>> hinting at racism. It shows how ignorant you are that you cant have a
>> discussion without making such a ridiculous assumption.
>
> So you like a bit of a laugh and a joke with the girls, do you?
>
> Did anyone mention racism? Or has it never occurred to you that your
> behaviour may be just a little sexist, whatever your racial stance might
> be? Most women at work expect to be treated as colleagues in a
> professional manner, not chatted up as if they were in some night club.
>

Eh? look up the word context, the way I read it this has been implied 
indirectly.
And what has women in work and colleagues got to do with it? still it shows 
how well you understand this thread, I happen to be unemployed.

AFAIAC its a customer relations issue, the last thing I want to see is some 
long faced cow who is as miserable as a wet weekend in a job that involves 
dealing with the public. If she behaved like that in private company she 
would have sent on her way, P45 to follow.

Try as I might I could not figure out why she was so miserable, thats why I 
asked if it is something to do with their religion, or was it to guard 
against dishonour,  must not under any circumstances be seen smiling at 
someone of the opposite sex, especially one who is not from their race.

If that is the case I would be more that happy to help by saying nothing. 
The less I have to say to any JC staff the better.
Sort of reminds me of the time a muslim woman joined the police and would 
not shake, head of police, Sir Ian Blairs hand as it was against her 
religion to touch another man. Funny how the media happened to be there 
enmass to witness that.

On 6 Dec, 11:20, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Robin T Cox"  wrote in messagenews:pLP5j.1965$1j1.1519@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 09:35:32 +0000, Niteawk wrote:
>
> >>  wrote in message
> >> news:a646976e-08aa-4494-
> > ba7b-13d2a83b3...@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On 5 Dec, 18:21, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> >>>>  wrote in message
> >>>> > 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to
> >>>> > cut our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up
> >>>> > for lower staffing'.
> >>>> > 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
> >>>> > only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>
> >>>> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better
> >>>> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are
> >>>> always dead
> >>>> serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being male
> >>>> and all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed to
> >>>> work if they are married.
>
> >>> Your prejudices are showing.....
>
> >> What prejudices? Its idiot ideas like that what causes racial tension in
> >> the first place when you cant mention another race without some clown
> >> hinting at racism. It shows how ignorant you are that you cant have a
> >> discussion without making such a ridiculous assumption.
>
> > So you like a bit of a laugh and a joke with the girls, do you?
>
> > Did anyone mention racism? Or has it never occurred to you that your
> > behaviour may be just a little sexist, whatever your racial stance might
> > be? Most women at work expect to be treated as colleagues in a
> > professional manner, not chatted up as if they were in some night club.
>
> Eh? look up the word context, the way I read it this has been implied
> indirectly.
> And what has women in work and colleagues got to do with it? still it shows
> how well you understand this thread, I happen to be unemployed.
>
> AFAIAC its a customer relations issue, the last thing I want to see is some
> long faced cow who is as miserable as a wet weekend in a job that involves
> dealing with the public. If she behaved like that in private company she
> would have sent on her way, P45 to follow.
>
> Try as I might I could not figure out why she was so miserable, thats why I
> asked if it is something to do with their religion, or was it to guard
> against dishonour,  must not under any circumstances be seen smiling at
> someone of the opposite sex, especially one who is not from their race.
>
> If that is the case I would be more that happy to help by saying nothing.
> The less I have to say to any JC staff the better.
> Sort of reminds me of the time a muslim woman joined the police and would
> not shake, head of police, Sir Ian Blairs hand as it was against her
> religion to touch another man. Funny how the media happened to be there
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Actually, no.
You can't sack someone just for being a long faced cow who is
miserable.

Well, you can. And almost certainly lose any employment tribunal.

Generally need more to go on than that to sack someone. In any
company, never mind a private one.


Martin  <><

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> On 6 Dec, 09:35, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>>  wrote in message
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>> news:a646976e-08aa-4494-ba7b-13d2a83b3859@o42g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
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>> > On 5 Dec, 18:21, "Niteawk"  wrote:
>> >>  wrote in message
>> >> > 'Greater efficiency requirements' translates as 'we are having to 
>> >> > cut
>> >> > our budget again so everyone needs to do more work to make up for
>> >> > lower staffing'.
>> >> > 'improved customer service' - hmmm.....when at the bottom, often the
>> >> > only way is up. Some organisations do start digging however....
>>
>> >> Thats strange, they have hired more staff at my JC, not for the better
>> >> either. I dont care much for female asian staff, I find they are 
>> >> always
>> >> dead
>> >> serious, its like they begrudge having to speak to you, me being male 
>> >> and
>> >> all that. Is it a religious thing, I know they are not allowed to work 
>> >> if
>> >> they are married.
>>
>> > Your prejudices are showing.....
>>
>> What prejudices? Its idiot ideas like that what causes racial tension in 
>> the
>> first place when you cant mention another race without some clown hinting 
>> at
>> racism. It shows how ignorant you are that you cant have a discussion
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> Female asian staff?
>
> I'm not saying you are racist or sexist. But you may have something
> against female asian staff at the JC.
>

Again you are making assumptions about me, I take people as I find them. If 
anyone has an issue with race its them, not me. They dont want to integrate. 
I dont discriminate like that, I dont care who marries who, they do.