On 4 Dec, 20:26, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
> On 4 Dec, 19:27, melanie.fullw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
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> > On 3 Dec, 20:40, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
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> > > On 3 Dec, 20:12, melanie.fullw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
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> > > > On 2 Dec, 22:12, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote> > > > > On 2 Dec, 21:01, "Niteawk"  wrote:
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> > > > > > > On 2 Dec, 17:58, "Niteawk"  wrote:
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> > > > > > >> > I agree with you that sometimes it seems as though the staff are
> > > > > > >> > winding you up for the fun of it. Maybe to make their dull lives
> > > > > > >> > exciting perhaps? I do sympathise about the abuse that some of them
> > > > > > >> > have to take; and it shouldn't be.
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> > > > > > >> Why? the only time they get abuse is when they screw up and fail to
> > > > > > >> recognise or ignore who they are dealing with. You leave a man with 3
> > > > > > >> children to feed without money for food and see what happens, I have seen
> > > > > > >> it
> > > > > > >> ;) you are asking for trouble. Like any job you can make life easy or
> > > > > > >> hard
> > > > > > >> for yourself. If I worked for the DWP, I would make sure that people I
> > > > > > >> dealt
> > > > > > >> with got paid, thats all you have to do to avoid any unpleasantness. Its
> > > > > > >> of
> > > > > > >> no interest to me why they are out of work or what they are doing to find
> > > > > > >> work, all I have to do is verify their details so I can access their
> > > > > > >> claim
> > > > > > >> and sort it. Its a very easy job to do isnt it, a trained chimp could do
> > > > > > >> it.
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> > > > > > >> But you are always going to come into contact with some jobsworth who
> > > > > > >> wants
> > > > > > >> to humiliate you and deals with claimants in a manner like its their
> > > > > > >> money
> > > > > > >> and they are paying you out of their own pocket. They are the ones who
> > > > > > >> cause
> > > > > > >> the trouble, so be it on their heads. They deserve all the hassle they
> > > > > > >> get
> > > > > > >> IMO.
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> > > > > > > They also get abuse when they don't do what people want. Even when
> > > > > > > they cannot do what people want.
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> > > > > > > For every jobsworth there's also going to be someone who insists on
> > > > > > > having things done their way.
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> > > > > > Which brings us back to where we started. People like that should not be on
> > > > > > JSA but they are stuck with it by ignorant JC/ND staff. This is just another
> > > > > > example of how the system fails people, dealing with mentally ill people
> > > > > > when they should not be on JSA at all. Put them on disability and get rid,
> > > > > > thats what should happen. If you think you can get people like that into
> > > > > > work then you are crazier than they are.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > Should not be on JSA?
> > > > > Why? Is there another unemployment benefit they can claim instead?> > > > > And why stick them on disability if they aren't ill or disabled? Yes,
> > > > > there is a little extra money on incapacity benefit, but lose some of
> > > > > the freebies that people on JSA get.
> > > > > And further reduces chances of finding work - taking on someone from
> > > > > the dole is less risky than taking on someone who is on the sick, for
> > > > > an employer.
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> > > > > And are you certain that 'people like that' shouldn't have the same
> > > > > chance to get into work as anyone else?
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> > > > > Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > People who have problems finding jobs because of drug issues and
> > > > criminal convictions should NOT be on theNewDeal. They should be put> > > > on a more suitable rehabilitation programme that will lead to real
> > > > career prospects. Not just sitting about in a room swearing about how
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> > > Can hold a job down with drug issues. Some drugs, its coming off them
> > > thats the problem.
> > > Not usually a problem getting a job in itself - most employers don't
> > > ask about drug or alcohol issues before offering the job anyway.
> > > Criminal convictions will prevent the people getting some jobs. But
> > > don't matter in others.
> > > How far do you go? Someone with criminal conviction for smashing shop
> > > windows while drunk 30 years ago? Someone who has served time for
> > > murder?
> > > Rehabilitation is usually done on release from prison. Will it gain
> > > them to go on that again instead ofnewdeal?
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> > > I suppose anyone would be overjoyed to go on something that will lead
> > > to real career prospects.
> > > Unless of course they don't want to get a starting position in those
> > > careers, due to pay or other issues......
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> > > Teacher training anyone?
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> > Bet you never had to travel 26 miles to your nearestNewDealcentre,
> > only to be forced to associate with questionables. By the way, it's
> > their convictions and ATTITUDE that prevent them getting jobs from
> > what I've observed. These people are the sort who are assaulting DWP
> > staff, and decent people get the backwash of it. I'm really annoyed
> > today as I've just come back from theJobcentreand was treated like
> > crap again by my advisor. They are so rude, and don't treat me with
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> Yes, attitude does make a difference.
> Plenty of people without records who have an attitude about
> working....
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> Most people who have records that I know about don't get them from
> assault.
> So are they any more likely to assault staff? Hard to say, they have
> no more track record than most.
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> Rudeness should be reported. On either side.
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> And no, never been 26 miles to nearestnewdealcentre. I'm unable to
> travel 26 miles without a carer anyway.
> Hmmmm.....within that radius I'd come across 6 cities and numerous
> towns. Comes from living in the Black Country.
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> Most areas of the country will have anewdealcentre closer than 26
> miles. Our local one is town centre, 3 miles away when I was on it.- Hide quoted text -
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They closed our rural market town Jobcentre last year because they
said it wasn't used enough. This is debatable. I now have to travel on
the bus to our nearest major town and Jobcentre- 26 miles away. It
cost £20 a week in fares when I had to go every day to the New Deal
centre. As a carer of a disabled relative, this took it out of me
somewhat, as I don't travel well and was wrecked when I got back home.
I then had to continue my Carer role on my return. I need a PT job
ideally.