On 4 Dec, 19:27, melanie.fullw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
> On 3 Dec, 20:40, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
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> > On 3 Dec, 20:12, melanie.fullw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
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> > > On 2 Dec, 22:12, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
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> > > > On 2 Dec, 21:01, "Niteawk"  wrote:
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> > > > > > On 2 Dec, 17:58, "Niteawk"  wrote:
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> > > > > >> > I agree with you that sometimes it seems as though the staff are
> > > > > >> > winding you up for the fun of it. Maybe to make their dull lives
> > > > > >> > exciting perhaps? I do sympathise about the abuse that some of them
> > > > > >> > have to take; and it shouldn't be.
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> > > > > >> Why? the only time they get abuse is when they screw up and fail to
> > > > > >> recognise or ignore who they are dealing with. You leave a man with 3
> > > > > >> children to feed without money for food and see what happens, I have seen
> > > > > >> it
> > > > > >> ;) you are asking for trouble. Like any job you can make life easy or
> > > > > >> hard
> > > > > >> for yourself. If I worked for the DWP, I would make sure that people I
> > > > > >> dealt
> > > > > >> with got paid, thats all you have to do to avoid any unpleasantness. Its
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> no interest to me why they are out of work or what they are doing to find
> > > > > >> work, all I have to do is verify their details so I can access their
> > > > > >> claim
> > > > > >> and sort it. Its a very easy job to do isnt it, a trained chimp could do
> > > > > >> it.
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> > > > > >> But you are always going to come into contact with some jobsworth who
> > > > > >> wants
> > > > > >> to humiliate you and deals with claimants in a manner like its their
> > > > > >> money
> > > > > >> and they are paying you out of their own pocket. They are the ones who
> > > > > >> cause
> > > > > >> the trouble, so be it on their heads. They deserve all the hassle they
> > > > > >> get
> > > > > >> IMO.
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> > > > > > They also get abuse when they don't do what people want. Even when
> > > > > > they cannot do what people want.
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> > > > > > For every jobsworth there's also going to be someone who insists on
> > > > > > having things done their way.
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> > > > > Which brings us back to where we started. People like that should not be on
> > > > > JSA but they are stuck with it by ignorant JC/ND staff. This is just another
> > > > > example of how the system fails people, dealing with mentally ill people
> > > > > when they should not be on JSA at all. Put them on disability and get rid,
> > > > > thats what should happen. If you think you can get people like that into
> > > > > work then you are crazier than they are.- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > Should not be on JSA?
> > > > Why? Is there another unemployment benefit they can claim instead?
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> > > > And why stick them on disability if they aren't ill or disabled? Yes,
> > > > there is a little extra money on incapacity benefit, but lose some of
> > > > the freebies that people on JSA get.
> > > > And further reduces chances of finding work - taking on someone from
> > > > the dole is less risky than taking on someone who is on the sick, for
> > > > an employer.
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> > > > And are you certain that 'people like that' shouldn't have the same
> > > > chance to get into work as anyone else?
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> > > > Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
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> > > People who have problems finding jobs because of drug issues and
> > > criminal convictions should NOT be on theNewDeal. They should be put
> > > on a more suitable rehabilitation programme that will lead to real
> > > career prospects. Not just sitting about in a room swearing about how
> > > rubbish the course is and how much they hate theNewDeal.- Hide quoted text -
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> > Can hold a job down with drug issues. Some drugs, its coming off them
> > thats the problem.
> > Not usually a problem getting a job in itself - most employers don't
> > ask about drug or alcohol issues before offering the job anyway.
> > Criminal convictions will prevent the people getting some jobs. But
> > don't matter in others.
> > How far do you go? Someone with criminal conviction for smashing shop
> > windows while drunk 30 years ago? Someone who has served time for
> > murder?
> > Rehabilitation is usually done on release from prison. Will it gain
> > them to go on that again instead ofnewdeal?
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> > I suppose anyone would be overjoyed to go on something that will lead
> > to real career prospects.
> > Unless of course they don't want to get a starting position in those
> > careers, due to pay or other issues......
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> > Teacher training anyone?
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> > Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
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> Bet you never had to travel 26 miles to your nearest New Deal centre,
> only to be forced to associate with questionables. By the way, it's
> their convictions and ATTITUDE that prevent them getting jobs from
> what I've observed. These people are the sort who are assaulting DWP
> staff, and decent people get the backwash of it. I'm really annoyed
> today as I've just come back from the Jobcentre and was treated like
> crap again by my advisor. They are so rude, and don't treat me with
> any respect. Customer Service? Huh!- Hide quoted text -
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Yes, attitude does make a difference.
Plenty of people without records who have an attitude about
working....

Most people who have records that I know about don't get them from
assault.
So are they any more likely to assault staff? Hard to say, they have
no more track record than most.

Rudeness should be reported. On either side.

And no, never been 26 miles to nearest new deal centre. I'm unable to
travel 26 miles without a carer anyway.
Hmmmm.....within that radius I'd come across 6 cities and numerous
towns. Comes from living in the Black Country.

Most areas of the country will have a new deal centre closer than 26
miles. Our local one is town centre, 3 miles away when I was on it.