On 4 Dec, 14:44, "Niteawk"  wrote:
> "Robbie"  wrote in message
>
> news:5rl3gtF152ft0U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>
>
> > I realise what you mean - most people I saw were polite but not all staff
> > are bad though. You have to admit that there is a "us versus them"
> > mentality though - and that works both ways, sadly.
>
> The us v them mentality is created by the DWP, even the clowns that run new
> deal courses have the same developed the same attitude from dealing with the
> JC on a daily basis. The unemployed do not hold meetings every other day to
> to whip up hatred against JC/ND staff, most of them do not know each other,
> OTOH thats exactly what the JC/ND staff do, hold meetings to express their
> contempt for the unemployed.
> At the end of the day you are dealing with individuals who have to deal with
> office staff that are all of the same mind set which is screw them. So how
> the hell can you say it works both ways?

Not sure it was created by DWP.
Some things just spring up when you have 2 opposite sides. One wants
money, one gives money. One wants rules to be stuck to, one wants to
stick the rules. One wants to reach targets, one wants to avoid
targets....

The staff get aggro, the staff give aggro. But the actions of
individuals would not be acceptable from staff.
I get to hear some of the stories about staff, but in no way is
lunging for their throat called for. Or smashing of screens and
injuring anyone (on at least one occasion, another person being
interviewed).

Seems to be a fair bit of screw them on both sides. Plus a good chunk
of trying to do the rigfht thing on each side too.

Martin  <><

Niteawk wrote:
> 
> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
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>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! I'VE GOT A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> And it wasnt from the JC i'll wager.
>>
>> Does it matter? You're supposed to say "well done" not find another 
>> reason to be sarcastic about the JC!
>>
> 
> It does matter, if she got that job through the JC then I will have to 
> adjust my stats to read 0.000000001 Why am I supposed to say well done, 
> is that in the rules? of course I wish her well, that goes without 
> saying. I can get a job anytime I like in the charity sector. Plenty of 
> jobs around if you dont mind working for nothing ;)

What's the JC got to do with getting a job? It's up to you not any 
organisation.

Answer me one question: when did you last work?

-- 
Robbie

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
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> Niteawk wrote:
>>
>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>> news:5s7sm7F17p6l7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! I'VE GOT A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>
>>>> And it wasnt from the JC i'll wager.
>>>
>>> Does it matter? You're supposed to say "well done" not find another 
>>> reason to be sarcastic about the JC!
>>>
>>
>> It does matter, if she got that job through the JC then I will have to 
>> adjust my stats to read 0.000000001 Why am I supposed to say well done, 
>> is that in the rules? of course I wish her well, that goes without 
>> saying. I can get a job anytime I like in the charity sector. Plenty of 
>> jobs around if you dont mind working for nothing ;)
>
> What's the JC got to do with getting a job? It's up to you not any 
> organisation.


I wish it was up to me, the JC I go to insists that I do what they say, they 
wont allow me to train so I cant get the skills needed to earn a living wage 
nor will they provide the training that they say they are offering people.



>
> Answer me one question: when did you last work?
>

Recently I was working for charity, ordered to attend as per usual, failure 
to comply may result in loss of benefit, the usual threats. Not surprisingly 
employers were sceptical about this as a work history. Apparently anyone can 
work for charity.
Great job though, you cant knock a system that gets people out to work for 
free, proleterian scum dont need money, flog the lot of them, bastards!

Niteawk wrote:
> 
> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
> news:5s84fpF16djdbU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>
>>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>>> news:5s7sm7F17p6l7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! I'VE GOT A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> And it wasnt from the JC i'll wager.
>>>>
>>>> Does it matter? You're supposed to say "well done" not find another 
>>>> reason to be sarcastic about the JC!
>>>>
>>>
>>> It does matter, if she got that job through the JC then I will have 
>>> to adjust my stats to read 0.000000001 Why am I supposed to say well 
>>> done, is that in the rules? of course I wish her well, that goes 
>>> without saying. I can get a job anytime I like in the charity sector. 
>>> Plenty of jobs around if you dont mind working for nothing ;)
>>
>> What's the JC got to do with getting a job? It's up to you not any 
>> organisation.
> 
> 
> I wish it was up to me, the JC I go to insists that I do what they say, 
> they wont allow me to train so I cant get the skills needed to earn a 
> living wage nor will they provide the training that they say they are 
> offering people.

The JC insist on you doing things to get benefit - what YOU do is down 
to you. You have the ability to find a job, the fact you don't have one 
is down to your attitude.

> 
> 
> 
>>
>> Answer me one question: when did you last work?
>>
> 
> Recently I was working for charity, ordered to attend as per usual, 
> failure to comply may result in loss of benefit, the usual threats. Not 
> surprisingly employers were sceptical about this as a work history. 
> Apparently anyone can work for charity.
> Great job though, you cant knock a system that gets people out to work 
> for free, proleterian scum dont need money, flog the lot of them, bastards!

You know what I meant - when did you last work for an employer that had 
you off JSA? Don't try to answer by going around the houses and avoiding 
the question. I bet you haven't worked for years. I know for a fact you 
haven't for the last 3 to 4 years, from your postings here but how much 
further back does your unemployment go?

> 
> 


-- 
Robbie

"Robbie"  wrote in message 
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> Niteawk wrote:
>>
>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>> news:5s84fpF16djdbU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>>>> news:5s7sm7F17p6l7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YIPEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! I'VE GOT A JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it wasnt from the JC i'll wager.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does it matter? You're supposed to say "well done" not find another 
>>>>> reason to be sarcastic about the JC!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It does matter, if she got that job through the JC then I will have to 
>>>> adjust my stats to read 0.000000001 Why am I supposed to say well done, 
>>>> is that in the rules? of course I wish her well, that goes without 
>>>> saying. I can get a job anytime I like in the charity sector. Plenty of 
>>>> jobs around if you dont mind working for nothing ;)
>>>
>>> What's the JC got to do with getting a job? It's up to you not any 
>>> organisation.
>>
>>
>> I wish it was up to me, the JC I go to insists that I do what they say, 
>> they wont allow me to train so I cant get the skills needed to earn a 
>> living wage nor will they provide the training that they say they are 
>> offering people.
>
> The JC insist on you doing things to get benefit - what YOU do is down to 
> you. You have the ability to find a job, the fact you don't have one is 
> down to your attitude.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Answer me one question: when did you last work?
>>>
>>
>> Recently I was working for charity, ordered to attend as per usual, 
>> failure to comply may result in loss of benefit, the usual threats. Not 
>> surprisingly employers were sceptical about this as a work history. 
>> Apparently anyone can work for charity.
>> Great job though, you cant knock a system that gets people out to work 
>> for free, proleterian scum dont need money, flog the lot of them, 
>> bastards!
>
> You know what I meant - when did you last work for an employer that had 
> you off JSA? Don't try to answer by going around the houses and avoiding 
> the question. I bet you haven't worked for years. I know for a fact you 
> haven't for the last 3 to 4 years, from your postings here but how much 
> further back does your unemployment go?
>

I told you when I last worked and you are still not happy, why is that. Are 
you saying that it does not count as work. The JC was wasting my 
time.....again.