On 2 Dec, 22:12, "mart2...@hotmail.com"  wrote:
> On 2 Dec, 21:01, "Niteawk"  wrote:
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> > > On 2 Dec, 17:58, "Niteawk"  wrote:
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> > >> > I agree with you that sometimes it seems as though the staff are
> > >> > winding you up for the fun of it. Maybe to make their dull lives
> > >> > exciting perhaps? I do sympathise about the abuse that some of them
> > >> > have to take; and it shouldn't be.
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> > >> Why? the only time they get abuse is when they screw up and fail to
> > >> recognise or ignore who they are dealing with. You leave a man with 3
> > >> children to feed without money for food and see what happens, I have seen
> > >> it
> > >> ;) you are asking for trouble. Like any job you can make life easy or
> > >> hard
> > >> for yourself. If I worked for the DWP, I would make sure that people I
> > >> dealt
> > >> with got paid, thats all you have to do to avoid any unpleasantness. Its
> > >> of
> > >> no interest to me why they are out of work or what they are doing to find
> > >> work, all I have to do is verify their details so I can access their
> > >> claim
> > >> and sort it. Its a very easy job to do isnt it, a trained chimp could do
> > >> it.
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> > >> But you are always going to come into contact with some jobsworth who
> > >> wants
> > >> to humiliate you and deals with claimants in a manner like its their
> > >> money
> > >> and they are paying you out of their own pocket. They are the ones who
> > >> cause
> > >> the trouble, so be it on their heads. They deserve all the hassle they
> > >> get
> > >> IMO.
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> > > They also get abuse when they don't do what people want. Even when
> > > they cannot do what people want.
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> > > For every jobsworth there's also going to be someone who insists on
> > > having things done their way.
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> > Which brings us back to where we started. People like that should not be on
> > JSA but they are stuck with it by ignorant JC/ND staff. This is just another
> > example of how the system fails people, dealing with mentally ill people
> > when they should not be on JSA at all. Put them on disability and get rid,
> > thats what should happen. If you think you can get people like that into
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> Should not be on JSA?
> Why? Is there another unemployment benefit they can claim instead?
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> And why stick them on disability if they aren't ill or disabled? Yes,
> there is a little extra money on incapacity benefit, but lose some of
> the freebies that people on JSA get.
> And further reduces chances of finding work - taking on someone from
> the dole is less risky than taking on someone who is on the sick, for
> an employer.
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> And are you certain that 'people like that' shouldn't have the same
> chance to get into work as anyone else?
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> Martin  <><- Hide quoted text -
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People who have problems finding jobs because of drug issues and
criminal convictions should NOT be on the New Deal. They should be put
on a more suitable rehabilitation programme that will lead to real
career prospects. Not just sitting about in a room swearing about how
rubbish the course is and how much they hate the New Deal.