On 30 Nov, 09:36, mogga  wrote:
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 23:38:00 -0800 (PST), "mart2...@hotmail.com"
>
>  wrote:
>
> >And how would the government tackle the cost of housing?
> >Most properties are not owned by them. Most rents are not set by
> >council or government.
>
> >Martin  <><
>
> Fair rents should be enforced.
> For my street it's 85 quid a week decided by the rent officer. Council
> charges 75 and private landlords who keep buying the houses round here
> charge 135-160.
>
> If rents were set and fixed at a more sensible level then house prices
> would not have risen massively and caused the boom and bust senario
> we're about to see.
> --http://www.freedeliveryuk.co.uk

I'd never be able to get a mortgage on NMW! I couldn't afford to rent
privately either - have to rent a council/housing association. I think
it costs about £35 per person a week on food alone, and then there's
the cost of running a car................nightmare!

Niteawk wrote:
> 
> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
> news:5rlfjqF151r30U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Niteawk wrote:
>>>
>>> "Robbie"  wrote in message 
>>> news:5rl3gtF152ft0U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>
>>>> I realise what you mean - most people I saw were polite but not all 
>>>> staff are bad though. You have to admit that there is a "us versus 
>>>> them" mentality though - and that works both ways, sadly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The us v them mentality is created by the DWP, even the clowns that 
>>> run new deal courses have the same developed the same attitude from 
>>> dealing with the JC on a daily basis. The unemployed do not hold 
>>> meetings every other day to to whip up hatred against JC/ND staff, 
>>> most of them do not know each other, OTOH thats exactly what the 
>>> JC/ND staff do, hold meetings to express their contempt for the 
>>> unemployed.
>>
>> How do you know that staff hold these meeting (which they don't) and 
>> if they did what it is they talk about? I can tell you the staff have 
>> more interesting things to talk about - like paying the rent or the 
>> mortgage or where they will go after work or how their relationship is 
>> going. I can assure you the staff don't go into work thinking "how can 
>> I shaft an unemployed person today". After all, most of the staff were 
>> unemployed at one time.
> 
> Fucking hell, shows what you know. I know they hold meetings at least 3 
> times a week at my JC because they dont open until 9.30 some mornings. I 
> have also had this confirmed by my ND adviser who is fond of making 
> appointments for me anywhere in between opening and closing time.
> 
> 
>>
>>> At the end of the day you are dealing with individuals who have to 
>>> deal with office staff that are all of the same mind set which is 
>>> screw them. So how the hell can you say it works both ways?
>>
>> You missed the point I was making. Which was, some of the staff have 
>> the "us versus them" mentality. Which is wrong, of course. But they 
>> aren't ogres - as much as you would love to see them as being like 
>> that. They have a wife and kids too.
>>
> 
> Ogres? WTF! Speaking for myself and through personal experience, I have 
> found some of them are positively evil and will go out of their way to 
> make life as difficult as possible for you. Which is crazy when you 
> consider that these people were total strangers to me in the beginning 
> and left me wondering why they would try to fuck me up when I dont even 
> know them personally. I wish they would see that I am just a number and 
> move on and try to remember its not their money, they pretend that they 
> are concerned that I am out of work when the truth is they really dont 
> give a fuck, so why the pretence. Then they offer me a minimum wage temp 
> vacancy which I am forced to apply for. I dont need this bullshit from 
> two faced cunts like them. Lets have the training you bastards claim to 
> offer so I can get a real job if you are really that concerned about 
> helping me, training as advertised on direct.gov.uk Oh no we cant do 
> that, well then dont tell people like me there are opportunities like 
> this available, fuck off and leave me alone until you are ready to 
> deliver as promised. Rant mode off ;)
> 
> OK I will grant you that there are some that are not all bad and 1 or 2 
> of them I would describe as nice, but the rest of them are a total pain, 
> the proverbial mind set always looking for ways to fuck you up
> 

Your last paragraph shows that you may be calming down ;)

-- 
Robbie